I'm so honestly embarrassed about this, so if you reply to me don't be rude, because i already feel like a dumbbunny. Plus the place in my brain that holds self-esteem is so depleted you may actually cause my head to cave in.

I've started to believe in the 2112 prediction.

*Runs off to cringe in corner.

I read all this stuff about the earth / black hole / sun alignment, mayan calender, planet going crashie crashie and now i seriously believe i only have two years to live. :o I don't buy into magical thinking, i believe in logic at all times and i'm reasonably intelligent - i mean, don't put me in charge of a nuclear power plant or anything, but. . . . .
. . . and now this. I've started to dream about it. I think about it constantly when i'm not trying to numb my brain with telly. I read all this stuff but who know what is accurate and what is not? Is there really a planet x? Is the Norwegian government really building bunkers?? What about the computer program that predicts world events? Should i buy a t-shirt that says something like 'I believe' in the hopes of being approached by people who have lead-lined bunkers and want me to join their new world race???
I feel like a Tool. And at the same time my mind is going 'Well, there's nothing i can do about it, i should just try to get at least one novel publised before than and i just hope it doesn't hurt too much.'

:o:o:o

I don't know if this prediciton is going to come true. But then, niether do you. And this is the thing that worries me.

For ever and ever, there has been an "end of the world" scenario thru out the ages (many people are still eating tuna they bought for "Y2K'!!!!!!)

In my opinion, the Mayans did not see a reason to make a calendar past 2012, it was a long way off!!!! If you were to be tasked with making a calendar till the year 10,262 you would probably only go so far and say "thats good enough for now, someone else can finish!!!"

Even if I am wrong, why spend a large part of the next two years wasting time to worrying about something you have no control over? RELAX and enjoy life!!!!!!

(P.S. you are not alone, many people are freaked out, but why worry about something you can not change?)

Its not actually the calender finishing that worries me, that in itself is nothing to be fussed over. Its thier other predictions that have found to be true that say 'too many coincidences' to me.

Despite my title, i'm not actually that worried. I just wanted to poke some fun at myself about it, and lighten up a bit. I don't have anyone to talk to in rl and i get sick of stuff being bottled up sometimes. And thanks to decades of severe depression i no longer feel much - emotions seem to come at me from a distance (thanks a bunch mental illness!) but i am thinking about it too much. Probably because not a lot is occupying my brain at the mo. I wish i COULD enjoy life, i feel guilty because people have far bigger problems than me, but most of my personality and emotions has just been scrubbed away from being unwell for so long, and i've shut down to a great extent.

Anyway, off topic. . . I need to go dig me a bunker!:)

What you said is the perfect foundation upon which to open a new chapter in your life! you are aware of PAST problems and can now create a new future for yourself! Go do something new and spontaneous today, something out of your "normal" routine to bust away from the past, and let yourself have FUN!!!!!!!!!

Keep trying new things and going new places, and I belive that you will slowly find yourself getting better and better each day!!!!!

If it is, it is. Worrying about it won't stop it. Live in the present.

I used to live with intense worry, dread, etc, about so many things that could happen. I was afraid of so many things. Eventually it reached the boiling point, and I had to just let it go.

My life's way better without all that extra stress.

Put this excess energy into writing and publishing your novel.:)

[quote=tinywiney;806400]If it is, it is. Worrying about it won't stop it. Live in the present./quote]

Um, i know, and i am. :confused:

What you said is the perfect foundation upon which to open a new chapter in your life! you are aware of PAST problems and can now create a new future for yourself! Go do something new and spontaneous today, something out of your "normal" routine to bust away from the past, and let yourself have FUN!!!!!!!!!

Keep trying new things and going new places, and I belive that you will slowly find yourself getting better and better each day!!!!!

OMG - i don't care if people don't know anything about mental illness, but i do get offended when said people give 'advice.' As a GP once said to me, 'You don't ask someone with a broken leg to run.' I doubt you would give above advice to anyone with schizophrenia or bi-polar. This is just the knee-jerk reaction many people have when they hear the word 'Depression.' It is not a MOOD, it is not a general feeling, it is not an emotional problem. Its a medical illness that ruins lives. Many people commit suicide every day because of it, and yet we still have to listen to people like you give out various forms of 'CHEER UP!' And it is not in my past. Its very much in my present. Don't give advice to strangers with problems you know nothing about.

Lots of conspiracy theories and 'end of the world' stories out there.

The only thing I can suggest is to listen to both sides of the story.Just pick some keywords for Google,like 'myth',debunked',etc and then add,in this case,'2012'.

You'll get a lot of results,so look at the website listed at the bottom of each result,and see if is a website who you have experienced to be trustworthy,and un-biased.

Give them 'equal time',for their explanations.Almost all stories can sound reasonable,with only one point of view.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/11/091106-2012-end-of-world-myths.html

Remember the 'Heaven's Gate' followers?
Even if I would have bought into that till the very end,I think I still would have wondered why the people that had already 'departed' ahead of me still had the quarters in their pockets.

I can recall several doomsday scenarios, 1984 was a nervy run up for some, Nostradamus was huge in the 80's, Y2K eeeeek, cold war with Reagan.

One of my sons gets a bit anxious about 2012, I just tell them it's quite cyclic that there will be a new one about a year after 2012.

The only one that I worried about was whenever Bush appeared on live TV.

Every dooms day prophet has been wrong thus far, so I'm not ready to subscribe to the 2012 one.

And don't ask the Mayan's about it, they're sick to death of Westerners asking about it; they don't believe the world is going to end.

I beleive it too. Ever since I discovered the magic of the history channel I have found a lot more to worry about YAY! But it's so interesting I can't not watch it.

who cares

I think someone once asked a farmer who was ploughing his field what he would do if he knew the world was going to end tomorrow:

'just keep ploughing'

I think someone once asked a farmer who was ploughing his field what he would do if he knew the world was going to end tomorrow:

'just keep ploughing'

lol

I'd stop ploughing, take my clothes off, cover myself in honey and go look for Russell Crowe. :)

This may not be of interest to anyone, but found it after taking advice from cptnemo and thought i would share it with any other bunker builders out there. Is actually quite interesting.

2012: Six End-of-the-World Myths Debunked

Brian Handwerk
for National Geographic News (http://news.nationalgeographic.com)

November 6, 2009


<!--- startbody --->The end of the world is near—December 21, 2012, to be exact—according to theories based on a purported ancient Maya (http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/geopedia/Maya) prediction and fanned by the marketing machine behind the soon-to-be-released 2012 movie (http://www.whowillsurvive2012.com/). But could humankind really meet its end in 2012—drowned in apocalyptic floods, walloped by a secret planet, seared by an angry sun, or thrown overboard by speeding continents? <!--- deckend --->
<!-- GOING_NEWSCHOOL_ENLARGE -->And did the ancient Maya—whose empire peaked between A.D. 250 and 900 in what is now Mexico and Central America—really predict the end of the world in 2012?


At least one aspect of the 2012, end-of-the-world hype is, for some people, all too real: the fear.
NASA's Ask an Astrobiologist Web site (http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/intro/nibiru-and-doomsday-2012-questions-and-answers), for example, has received thousands of questions regarding the 2012 doomsday predictions—some of them disturbing, according to David Morrison, senior scientist with the NASA Astrobiology Institute.
"A lot of [the submitters] are people who are genuinely frightened," Morrison said.
"I've had two teenagers who were considering killing themselves, because they didn't want to be around when the world ends," he said. "Two women in the last two weeks said they were contemplating killing their children and themselves so they wouldn't have to suffer through the end of the world."
(Related gallery: "Apocalypse Pictures—Ten Failed Doomsday Prophecies." (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/11/photogalleries/maya-2012-failed-apocalypses/))
Fortunately, with the help of scientists like Morrison, most of the predicted 2012 cataclysms are easily explained away.

2012 MYTH 1
Maya Predicted End of the World in 2012
The Maya calendar doesn't end in 2012, as some have said, and the ancients never viewed that year as the time of the end of the world, archaeologists say.
But December 21, 2012, (give or take a day) was nonetheless momentous to the Maya.
"It's the time when the largest grand cycle in the Mayan calendar—1,872,000 days or 5,125.37 years—overturns and a new cycle begins," said Anthony Aveni, a Maya expert and archaeoastronomer at Colgate University in Hamilton, New York.
The Maya kept time on a scale few other cultures have considered.
During the empire's heyday, the Maya invented the Long Count—a lengthy circular calendar that "transplanted the roots of Maya culture all the way back to creation itself," Aveni said.
During the 2012 winter solstice, time runs out on the current era of the Long Count calendar, which began at what the Maya saw as the dawn of the last creation period: August 11, 3114 B.C. The Maya wrote that date, which preceded their civilization by thousands of years, as Day Zero, or 13.0.0.0.0.
In December 2012 the lengthy era ends and the complicated, cyclical calendar will roll over again to Day Zero, beginning another enormous cycle.
"The idea is that time gets renewed, that the world gets renewed all over again—often after a period of stress—the same way we renew time on New Year's Day or even on Monday morning," said Aveni, author of The End of Time: The Maya Mystery of 2012 (http://anthonyfaveni.com/).

2012 MYTH 2
Breakaway Continents Will Destroy Civilization
In some 2012 doomsday prophecies, the Earth becomes a deathtrap as it undergoes a "pole shift."
The planet's crust and mantle will suddenly shift, spinning around Earth's liquid-iron outer core like an orange's peel spinning around its fleshy fruit. (See what Einstein had to say about pole shifts (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/ends-of-the-earth-einstein).)
2012, the movie, envisions a Maya-predicted pole shift, triggered by an extreme gravitational pull on the planet—courtesy of a rare "galactic alignment"—and by massive solar radiation destabilizing the inner Earth by heating it.
Breakaway oceans and continents dump cities into the sea, thrust palm trees to the poles, and spawn earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, and other disasters. (Interactive: pole shift theories illustrated (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/ends-of-the-earth-pole-shift-1).)
Scientists dismiss such drastic scenarios, but some researchers have speculated that a subtler shift could occur—for example, if the distribution of mass on or inside the planet changed radically, due to, say, the melting of ice caps.
Princeton University geologist Adam Maloof has extensively studied pole shifts, and tackles this 2012 myth in 2012: Countdown to Armageddon (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/2012-countdown-to-armageddon-4438), a National Geographic Channel documentary airing Sunday, November 8. (The National Geographic Society owns National Geographic News and part-owns the National Geographic Channel.)
Maloof says magnetic evidence in rocks confirm that continents have undergone such drastic rearrangement, but the process took millions of years—slow enough that humanity wouldn't have felt the motion (quick guide to plate tectonics (http://science.nationalgeographic.com/science/earth/the-dynamic-earth/plate-tectonics-article.html)).

2012 MYTH 3
Galactic Alignment Spells Doom
Some sky-watchers believe 2012 will close with a "galactic alignment," which will occur for the first time in 26,000 years (for example, see the Web site Alignment 2012 (http://alignment2012.com/)).
In this scenario, the path of the sun in the sky would appear to cross through what, from Earth, looks to be the midpoint of our galaxy, the Milky Way, which in good viewing conditions appears as a cloudy stripe across the night sky.
Some fear that the lineup will somehow expose Earth to powerful unknown galactic forces that will hasten its doom—perhaps through a "pole shift" (see above) or the stirring of the supermassive black hole at our galaxy's heart.
Others see the purported event in a positive light, as heralding the dawn of a new era in human consciousness.
NASA's Morrison has a different view.
"There is no 'galactic alignment' in 2012," he said, "or at least nothing out of the ordinary."
He explained that a type of "alignment" occurs during every winter solstice, when the sun, as seen from Earth, appears in the sky near what looks to be the midpoint of the Milky Way.
Horoscope writers may be excited by alignments, Morrison said. But "the reality is that alignments are of no interest to science. They mean nothing," he said. They create no changes in gravitational pull, solar radiation, planetary orbits, or anything else that would impact life on Earth.
The speculation over alignments isn't surprising, though, he said.
"Ordinary astronomical phenomena are imbued with a sense of threat by people who already think the world is going to end."
Regarding galactic alignments, University of Texas Maya expert David Stuart writes on his blog (http://decipherment.wordpress.com/) that "no ancient Maya text or artwork makes reference to anything of the kind."
Even so, the end date of the current Long Count cycle—winter solstice 2012—may be evidence of Maya astronomical skill, said Aveni, the archaeoastronomer.
"I don't rule out the likelihood that astronomy played a role" in the selection of 2012 as the cycle's terminus, he said.
Maya astronomers built observatories and, by observing the night skies and using mathematics, learned to accurately predict eclipses and other celestial phenomena. Aveni notes that the start date of the current cycle was likely tied to a solar zenith passage, when the sun crosses directly overhead, and its terminal date will fall on a December solstice, perhaps by design.
(Take a Maya Empire quiz. (http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2007/08/maya-rise-fall/maya-quiz-interactive))
These choices, he said, may indicate that the Maya calendar is tied to seasonal agricultural cycles central to ancient survival.

2012 MYTH 4
Planet X Is on a Collision Course With Earth
Some say it's out there: a mysterious Planet X, aka Nibiru, on a collision course with Earth—or at least a disruptive flyby.
A direct hit would obliterate Earth, it's said. Even a near miss, some fear, could shower Earth with deadly asteroid impacts hurled our way by the planet's gravitational wake.
Could such an unknown planet really be headed our way in 2012, even just a little bit?
Well, no.
"There is no object out there," NASA astrobiologist Morrison said. "That's probably the most straightforward thing to say."
The origins of this theory actually predate widespread interest in 2012. Popularized in part by a woman who claims to receive messages from extraterrestrials (http://www.zetatalk.com/), the Nibiru doomsday was originally predicted for 2003.
"If there were a planet or a brown dwarf or whatever that was going to be in the inner solar system three years from now, astronomers would have been studying it for the past decade and it would be visible to the naked eye by now," Morrison said.
"It's not there."

2012 MYTH 5
Solar Storms to Savage Earth
In some 2012 disaster scenarios, our own sun is the enemy.
Our friendly neighborhood star, it's rumored, will produce lethal eruptions of solar flares, turning up the heat on Earthlings.
Solar activity waxes and wanes according to approximately 11-year cycles. Big flares can indeed damage communications and other Earthly systems, but scientists have no indications the sun, at least in the short term, will unleash storms strong enough to fry the planet.
"As it turns out the sun isn't on schedule anyway," NASA astronomer Morrison said. "We expect that this cycle probably won't peak in 2012 but a year or two later." (See "Sun Oddly Quiet—Hints at Next 'Little Ice Age'?" (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090504-sun-global-cooling.html))

2012 MYTH 6
Maya Had Clear Predictions for 2012
If the Maya didn't expect the end of time in 2012, what exactly did they predict for that year?
Many scholars who've pored over the scattered evidence on Maya monuments say the empire didn't leave a clear record predicting that anything specific would happen in 2012.
The Maya did pass down a graphic—though undated—end-of-the-world scenario, described on the final page of a circa-1100 text known as the Dresden Codex. The document describes a world destroyed by flood, a scenario imagined in many cultures and probably experienced, on a less apocalyptic scale, by ancient peoples (more on the Dresden Codex (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/2012-countdown-to-armageddon-4438#tab-the-maya-codices)).
Aveni, the archaeoastronomer, said the scenario is not meant to be read literally—but as a lesson about human behavior.
He likens the cycles to our own New Year period, when the closing of an era is accompanied by frenetic activities and stress, followed by a rebirth period, when many people take stock and resolve to begin living better.
In fact, Aveni says, the Maya weren't much for predictions.
"The whole timekeeping scale is very past directed, not future directed," he said. "What you read on these monuments of the Long Count are events that connected Maya rulers with ancestors and the divine.
"The farther back you can plant your roots in deep time the better argument you can make that you're legit," Aveni said. "And I think that's why these Maya rulers were using Long Count time. "It's not about a fixed prediction about what's going to happen."