maybe it's time to check out a yoga tape from the library. i don't suppose there is too much danger of me twisting myself into some pretzle-shape and getting stuck in that position. is there???
I have nothing great to report about my own excercise life, but I lmbo at your post Wheezie! I love your wit and sarcasm, totally appealing to me!

I'd get a beginner yoga tape, though. Seeing your track record you just might hurt yourself. I like "yoga zone".

Ok, got my rear in gear and cleaned the house. I hope it counts as aerobic training because I'm pooped. :rolleyes: I warmed up with some low bends (clearing floor of toys) followed by vigorous arm work vacuuming downstairs, stairs and upstairs's hallway. Cooled down with some dishes being reached to high shelves and stretches to reorganize videos. (note to self: we're watching too much TV) There is some weight training as I've been babysitting 3 kids under 3 1/2 today. Does that count? I want to veg now. Please? Pretty please with a cherry on top? How about a low-fat cherry?

Good job chel! Wheezie if it makes you give it a try I am a total klutz and I seem to do okay on the bike. Knock on wood :D I have manged to break both shoulders and get hit by an armored truck. I was uninjured in that one even though it broke my back tire in half.

I have had a very good 2 days of riding. I am finding I can go a pretty good pace and enjoy the whole ride a little more. Yesterday am it was pouring rain. I was comein down one of the hills when I witnessed a traffic accident. Fortnately everyone was okay. It was not a bad accident. Yesterday and this morning were nice out. I rode about the same. It feels really good to be on the bike. It takes so much of the stress away for the time being.

I have been still eating very good I am down about 3lbs now. I feel much better to. Still into the beer mode after a hard day.

Hi all.
I attacked the wood pile this morning at about 85% of max for just a short twenty minutes. Back in the saddle and it's a tough call to see what's going to win out. I'm still hacking up bits but I think if I watch my calorie intake and sleep I can get ahead of it quickly.

The extra body heat opens up my sinuses and increases the blood flow but I know I'm close to the line because I'm really down. There is too much else going on around here for me to tell how much is due to the physical stresses but I'd guess a high percentage. The other stuff just isn't helping.

I'm just trying to get at it every second day just now until I'm stronger. I can't get in to see my doctor for a long time. I'll have to concentrate and salvage what I can of this month.

The day is spectacular. Warm and windless following yet more rain. The air is prestine and the birds are in a songful mind. Like you Jim it felt good to be back to the wood pile I left in the spring. Summer is definitely done here.

Chel your aerobic health comes where you find it..hehe I think you are right on the money looking at what you do that way. It's a very successful way to view the task for me, I hope it continues to work as well for you. As many ways as I can pat myself on the back the better and "counting" what I have to do anyway makes it all the easier. Good stuff!
ian

Ian,
Glad to here you were able to get back out side again and to your wood. Take it slow until you get completely well.

The weather changed a ton from yesterday am. It was raining and cooler for the ride home. I never really felt warmed up the whole way home. I did catch the lead rider with another rider going up the hill and then passed them both on the way home. They were average to good riders. It was a good to be able to easily keep up when the one rider took off and then as he slowed being able to go right past.

Today there was no rain, but we are in a fall patern so that means a pretty strong head wind on the way in. I wore long bicycle pants for the first time since April. I stoped trying to fight the wind and just work on spinning in a lower gear. I passed a rider on the hill. He was on a moutain bike.

I ate good again yesterday. I had the post ride beers.

HI guys!!!

Well nothing new to report on the job search I really haven't worked too hard at it as of yet I'm being selective this time around NO more graveyard!!!! But, it's kinda funny they must have been getting calls up the whazoo cause all the sudden I've gotten a raise and they have been kissen my behind and I just laugh cause it's not saving them this time.

OMG football is so scarry and THAT child of mine won't stop hitting those boys so hard you can hear their skulls crunching EEK! NO I'm not exagerating in the slightest for some forsaken reason you take a mild mannered boy and put a few pads and a huge helmet on him and he become the Incredible Hulk. *rolls eyes* I do get plenty of excercise at the games though I'm the mom pacing the sidelines and cringing with each hit yelling Koda NOT so rough!! lol

I've noticed if I can be so blunt that my butt doesn't jiggle when I run as much lmbo I guess running drills with Lexi's soccer team who I asst. coach and the peewee's I coach are paying off.

Garrett and I have been walking the kids to school and then walking around town until around 10:30 then we meet my sister for a light brunch. That's two hours, two hours and I survive!!!! YEAH for me!!!

The big guy and I just bought a huge conversion van to haul our brood along. It's nice Koda watches movies and Lexi listen to the headphones in the back...NO FIGHTING!!!! I had to keep looking behind me to make sure they were all still breathing. Have you ever tried to clean one of those things? MY word it's like trying to clean a sherman tank *hint for future reference* Do not and I mean NOT soap up the top and try to walk on it...good thing is Koda has a hard head he did however make a really mean SPLAT!!

I'm feeling great it almost seems like the harder I push myself the better I feel in the long run. The leg cramps are gone, back aches well OK once a month my back still hurts but that's a good thing lol.

I almost forgot I have a new great neice!!!!! She's gorgeous of course and wonderful and so tiny smaller then Garrett was and I can't hold her. Unfortunatly, Ronnie was born in Guam were her mom and dad are stationed with the Air Force and chances are when they get here at Christmas my sister in law is going to be hogging the baby. *deep sigh*

Hugs, hugs, hugs and kisses everyone
I'm off to....well honestly I don't know for sure but it probably involves shopping for tiny little girls lol.

Congratulations Futz, I know just how you feel about getting to buy tiny little girl clothes, kicks the estrogen into action. It's great you're getting so much excercise. Even if you sat still the racing of your heart during games would probably count!

I had a panic attack yesterday, does that count, breathing hard, heart racing for over 20 minutes? I'm really reaching here, aren't I?

I am pretty busy so I will post first here today. I did not post yesterday. I have had a really good couple of days riding. I took the lead to start the hill on weds instead of following. I had a guy on my wheel the whole way. I tried to shake him but I could not. I was going a real good pace at the top. Yesterday I did the following. We had a tail wind and we were really moving. I kept up pretty easily. I had to work more at the top to keep up. When I ride in against the wind I try to work on spinning.

Eating is going well. I had a girl in the elevater tell me I was losing weight. I am the lowest I have been since before I got married. No booze last night!!

I am getting my heart rate up as my marriage seems to be falling apart.

Good job Futs try not to get kicked out of any games :D

I got some soccer in again today although it wasn't very encouraging. My wind is gone. The good news is that the drugs kicked in today and I am feeling my strength rush in behind them. The doc says I can't look at testing for asthma until I get over whatever I have now because it will interfere with the results.

I took just another short twenty minutes to play with Bonnie but that was enough. My glands are still swollen in my neck and... well it's just depressing really.

I was busy all day and the shop saw a good portion of my energy. I took time to have lunch with a friend and still managed to cover some big billable hours!

I'm feeling overwhelmed but I am working hard on positive messages to drown out the racket of things piling up behind me.

If it's nice tomorrow I'll try and get some sweat time in tomorrow too. I suppose it will depend on how I feel.

PU is back on her feet after surgery on Monday. I've taken Meite out driving twice this week. Teaching a new driver creates some wickedly bad nervous sweat for the instructor I find.. heh

You know Chel, I don't know that you are "reaching". Stress is stress no matter how it comes about. You can't tell me that a panic attack doesn't take it's pound of flesh on the way by.. or can you? :) I used to have panic attacks and remember being pretty well spent in the wake of one.

Futs, I feel better the harder I work too. If I'm healthy at least, I usually underestimate how much I can take. What's new here of course is that I've never taken the time to work up slowly to a point where I can take the work without something breaking or running myself into the ground. I was feeling a bit discouraged by my progress there for a while and then found that I just wasn't anywhere close to my upper limits. I really like the way I feel and the comments I get when I'm at full strength. I have not felt like I look "good" so to speak in ages and I do frequently feel like I look good these days. I've caught myself buying clothes for heavens sake! I certainly "feel" good enough to look that way some days.

I've said it so many times I feel like an evangelist but I can't get over how much a bit of physical load does for the big picture around me. It affects positively all the major points of concern for me. I'm still learning so much.

Riding sounds like a big positive affirmation on a daily basis Jim. Although your marriage isn't working as smoothly, you have to know that if you can learn to get where you are on the bike, you can do the same with whatever you choose to ride, be it relationships or whatever.

I once worked very hard trying to please a woman much my senior that I had to work with. She was a nasty piece of work really but I didn't think so at the time and over two years tried my damnedest to mind my "p's" and "q's" but it always ended up in a mess somehow. I could never seem to keep out of the way of her wrath over one thing and another. One night I came into a meeting late and she lit into me the minute I walked in the door. For some reason she had changed in my eyes and had become a caricature of herself. In her rage she appeared to me like a cartoon figure all exaggerated and to her vein popping, blood boiling suprise.. hilariously funny. I burst into a spontaneous belly laugh that could not be stiffled. I thought she was going to have a coronary on the spot but she just went from a beet red to a deep purple colour before she got a grip on herself and realised she had just been rendered powerless.

I didn't see it coming and I had not meant to be mean or disrespectful but the reality of how ridiculous she had been was forever clear to me. I was free of her from that moment onward. My relationship with everyone in that small group changed after that and her influence diminished over the next year to a point where she eventually withdrew. She remains a bitter and angry old woman. Now, I am not nearly so quick to be pleasant to the rude and inconsiderate. Oh the lessons just keep keeping on don't they?

I hope you can get free Jim, to see your marriage through the clear lens of wisdom either from within or from outside the bond that binds you now. You try so hard to do the right things. I'm so glad you have your bike to celebrate when the chips are down.
ian on the mend... wordy willy.

Ian, how is your wife doing? I would be worried sick if Mike had health problems that severe.

Thanks for the inspiration on excercise...again.

Ditto Jim. Ian is wise.

She's fine Chel. Thanks for asking. She's a tough one to keep down. This can be a problem sometimes but she's been good about getting the rest she needs to get back up to speed. She's going to wait until the middle of winter for the major surgery and hopefully avoid a mess of winter driving in the process.

I have been quite anxious about her and her health. She wrote me a note this morning telling me she didn't think I viewed myself any more positively than I had in the past. She also said that my inability to accept help on projects she's concerned about getting finished is a problem.

I have my day's work cut out for me. But first... a little soccer.
ian

I got my twenty minutes in and feel pretty good today but got into a bit of a scrap with Pierrette over the building project.

The fight took all the steam out of me left me wondering how you keep up your pace when the going gets tough Jim. I deflate like a balloon.

My glands aren't as swollen today and my throat is clear but I took cough suppresant last night and today I still see that I'm coughing up colour so it ain't over yet.

My strength is coming back quickly now but I'll have to respect my limits and continue with the slow build up to full steam.
bummed

Sad morning, I had to go to the next bra size up. (like you guys needed to know that, but it's a fact of life)

I did, however, go for a one mile hike with my dog this morning. It's a perfect fall day and my excercise thrives in this kind of weather.

I've also gotten a huge craving for pink grapefruit juice. Something healthy, go figure.

Hopefully more good news to come.
Hope you're over the cold hump soon, Ian. It's getting to be "that time of year". Good for you for pushing through and excercising anyway, I admire your determination.

I'm not getting kicked out of any games but Lexi did for bad sportsmanship. She took a kick in the face while tending goal and the next thing we knew she had picked the girl up and pile drived her into the ground...WHOA!!! talk about action before thought even Lexi stood there in shock. She's had to sit out two games and I added a third due to her glaring at the referee who banned her from the original two. She'll learn.

I haven't done any excercising I took a bad spill at work that ended with a resident well over 300 pounds on top of me. I have to go in and have my back looked at again since I can bend without pain but find it very hard to raise myself into a standing position without wanting to be sick. Right now I'm just resting and and stinking of icy hot. I'm sure I'll be OK though it appears that most the damage they saw was muscular and not in my spine which is good news so not to worry.

Good work everyone...I alway's feel like I've run 10 miles at full speed after a panic attack so I don't feel your pushing it Chel. Ian your family is in my thoughts and remember no matter how small ask for help it makes us wives feel good when we're needed for important projects...it's a pride issue. Jim good job on keeping the lead and being persistant in your rides. I'm so proud of you guys!!!!! GO TEAM GO!!

Chel that is sad but given time and patience and lots of support it's quite likely that the trend can be reversed! Really! At least if it can be for you there is hope for me too right?.. ehh

I hope you see some signs of hope in all your efforts soon. I can hear the self loathing from here. I am prone to it too but don't let wheezie catch wind of it...ehehehh

It helps that you are getting these times where your metabolism is ramped up like your big walk today but it may take some time to realise how it's paying off. Have you always been quite active?

I got another round of soccer in with Bonnie. It was hot here today and that made the going a little tougher but the lungs are coming back and I can feel the legs adjusting to the load. I'm still showing colour which I'm surprised at. I thought the antibiotics would have knocked that out days ago. They aren't the cheapies either.. hmmm We played for a hard half hour in the hot sun.

Things broke out of the rut with PU today. Turns out she's jealous as heck about me being free to be at home and work when I feel like it. Go figure! heh I shouldn't make light of it but the fact that it's out in the open instead of these weird little irrational outbursts is so so good for me. She'll have to lead the convo on this but at least it's been said out loud.

I was on rails today. I worked all day yesterday and today worked on the summer kitchen. I've got the shop work cleaned up and some money behind me to make some real progress on the summer kitchen again. Drywall dust is akin to divorce dust in most households but here I think it's an aphrodisiac. ;*)
ian

Futz-great Mom-work, I would have done the same to my kid. And you're a great cheerleader, I'll be having "Go Team Go!" in my head all day.

Ian- thank for the encouragement, no, I'm not a very active person always. Probably from so much depression. But I'm a wiz at putting on a play, which can get quite vigorous. I've mentioned before that after #2 child was born I felt really terriffic (I went 6 months with no major depression, he was a natural breech birth and I was super proud of myself), so I walked daily with the two kids and lost 50 pounds. The third kid did me in. I turned back into a depressed couch potatoe who stress-eats.

I know I'm impatient with myself, but here is where I feel very encouraged, and get lots of positive tapes to play in my head. I know it takes time. I have to admit, it would have been nicer had the increase in bra size was in cup size, too (wink wink nudge nudge). Ok, enough about my b**bs, this is no longer family oriented.

Soccer with the kids sounds fun! Glad the lungs are improving.

Hey everyone I am back! Good job to all of you! Ian as you get better your wind will come back. It will come back quicker since you are in shape. I am glad to hear that your wife is better.

Futs sorry to hear about your back. Remind me not to upset Lexi :D Actually I have no room to talk I could be a real idiot in team sports if I thought we should be winning and were losing. I was never that way running. Very competive, but not a bad sport.

Chel, you are doing well, just keep posting and trying. I know that you will slowly come around! You have already made a lot of progress!!!

I did not ride this weekend at all. Did some walking and lifting, but not much else. I had hoped to ride yesterday, but we did a grocery trip to get better food to eat.

I had a good ride in today. It was the coldest it has been in ages this AM. Not that cold, but a lot colder than I have been used to. It takes me a lot longer to get going when it is cold. I also do not ride as fast even when I am riding good. I did easily pass 2 guys going up one of the hills, but they were not great riders and there was not a reason I should not have passed them.

I am still eating well. I did drink this weekend, but it was quite a bit less than a "normal" weekend.

Fighting does drain me a lot Ian. I do take it easier when I am not going to catch someone. The pushing ends up taking a lot of the stress out for at least the time I am out riding. As Futs said go team go!

hey guys,

i've been so outa the loop lately. i wonder if running around like a chicken without a head counts as excercise???

anyway, nothing good to report. i haven't done bumpkiss since the last time i posted (7 days ago, i checked!). i've got a ton of excuses, but, they don't matter much when the end result is that i *know* they are excuses. if i had made the extra effort, i could have worked in 10 minutes here or there until it added up to my 30min/day goal.

i've promised myself that i'd run tomorrow after i get the kids off to school. so, i better get to bed, now! or i won't have the energy to follow through.

i wish i could write to you all and say something wonderfully personal, witty, and inspiring, but, i'm having a crappy day. i'm feeling quite negative and i'm hoping that "putting it in writing" will be the motivation i need.

sorry to be such a downer guys. i'm just so sick of myself and all my tired excuses. nothing else has worked lately, so, this is my last ditch effort. a virtual kick-in-the-butt to myself.

wheezie

i'm having a low-self-esteem crap kind of day. :(

the fact is, i *did* do something on Saturday. i coached my son's mini-ball soccer team. so, not a lot of aerobic stuff, but, more excercise than i gave myself credit for.

and on sunday, i biked with my dad and the kids. i went slow and stopped often, but, it's better than driving to the park!

why do i need to be kicked when i'm down? why do i feel the need to do that? (rhetorical questions btw)

i'd be one of the first to remind a friend to be gentle not harsh, patient not critical with herself or himself.

anyway, i think i'm done talking to myself. :rolleyes: i'm off to bed so i can get a run in tomorrow morning.

determined,

wheezie (crossing my fingers and hoping positive self-talk is stronger than negative thinking)

Hope tomorrow holds a good run and lots more fun wheezie.

I'm off to bed too so that I can begin to get back to my reformation on sleep habits and charting my day! No green stuff out of my lungs today!! yahoo!

No workout today and big time stress anyway. I got interupted in a way I finally recognised as a pattern with a couple of people in my life.

I keep having these little glimpses of clarity and then I am left wondering where the heck have I been all my life! Gee whizz anyway!

Harold came over this morning and didn't leave for about three hours. I couldn't seem to get rid of him. I'm nice though ya know.. I'm a good listener but schmolly.. it's not always a good thing for me! At all!!!

I was a stressed mess after he left. He told me nothing I wanted to hear and nothing of import, influence or interest. He talked "at" me for almost the whole time he was here and I was in an anxious sweat after he left. It reminded me of doing my taxes where I dread having a years worth of receipts stacked up and needing to add up all the crumby little taxes and totals. I'm a wreck when I'm done that stack and I'm a wreck after I'm talked "at" for even a short length of time.

My youngest brother David does this to me all the time. I HATE it. I dread his calls especially during the day. I get completely thrown off my game. My body acts as if it's been under live fire or something.

I have no idea why I have felt the need to sustain these bouts of "reception only" but I tell you I'm done with it. I hear by give myself permission to be rude to those whom rudeness is a way of life. They are not deserving of an active, compassionate and empathetic listener. Done like toast I am. It's over. Finito.

I spoke to PU about it tonight and she said she had wondered how I did it? I shook my head and wondered the same thing. I can't wait to try out the new honest approach. Maybe it's just in my dreams but right now I can imagine two ways of fixing this problem. The easy way is to lie and make something up. The fun way though, would be succinct and shoot straight from the hip. I think I could sum it up something like this and have them get the message.

"Listen a sec.. when we talk you talk "at" me. It's not much of a conversation. I need two way dialogue to keep from slitting my wrists. I'm not sure what we'd have to talk about if I was part of the conversation but if you didn't find it interesting you would be free to go do other things. When you talk "at" me like you do I get bored out of my mind. If you want to talk about it later I've got lots of thoughts on the topic. If not, that's ok too but I've got to go now. See ya.
life is short. play hard.
ian

Hey you two! Quit it! You're sounding like me! Yeah- that bad!

(j.k.) Of course you guys can vent. Wheezie, we always give better advice to others than to ourselves. Good work on the bike riding and soccer. You were moving, breathing, heart pumping, and not because the team on the TV was losing and you choked on your chips yelling at them to move their butts. Fall down, stand up, keep going, start crawling, get up again...that's what we're here for.

Ian- shooting from the hip is not something that comes easy to me either. I do it better in writing. I'm emotionally high maintenance, but I told a very good friend to bugger off because she was high emotional maintenance. She wasn't a good friend anymore anyway but I couldn't maintain her emotions as well. Every time she talked she would annoy me. But it's a bit more difficult to tell a family member to kiss off than a friend you're losing touch with. I'd try it, though, the honesty. It might improve the relationship. I end up asking lots of questions when someone's on a rant to check if they need free psychotherapy. Is this what he's doing or is it three hours of trivia?

Thanks for sharing so honestly guys. Hope the week improves from here.

Well we all seem to haveing crappy a self esteem week. I do think being up front is the best policy. Of course I am one who does not follow that advice at all. :D I hope we all feel positive soon.

Speaking of positive riding seems to be the lone bright spot in my life right now along with the forums. My ride home yesterday was great fun. I again followed someone half way up the hill and then passed him. As soon as I passed another guy took off around me. I was able to easily catch up to him. Something in the past i would not have been able to do. I rode a different second part of the ride because I had to stop at the post office on the way home. The second part I hit a lot of lights and then the post office so it seemed like I did not ride as hard.

The ride in today was good but cool. I felt tired so I just pushed as I felt like it. I caught 4 bikes going up the hill. I was trying to ride easy and even doing that I could not help but to pass the last guy in front of me.

Eating continues to go well. I had a couple small glasses of wine. My body is feeling good. Now if I can just get my mind caught up :D

Chel from my bro it's all "how good am I?" and "Could I be any better?.. I don't think so" and you need to hear about this so you can know what a great guy I am and what a heavy load I carry and can you believe how much more stupid other people are than me and did I mention that I have all the money?

The other conversation with Harold has similar attributes but he's a more entertaining story teller and aims to entertain. Underlying his style though is a pattern of bad choices on his part and a low life crew around him that he can't do anything but look good next to.

It's over on both counts. David will be out here for several days on the 15th of next month so I get to take him on where he can't escape. I hope I am as hungry for this later as I am now.

I think I've arrested my weight gain. Today I'll have to find some time to pump the heart with some vigour. I got used to eating more carbs than is good for me when I was so active.

Lungs feel great, head is still a little short on sleep and the legs are comming along nicely. I'd like more options than the wood pile though and money is being saved to sink into various other black holes around here.

I swear my inattentive nature is getting worse. Now that I'm getting healthy I must get to slowing down with meditation on a regular basis. It seems to do nothing for me if it's not a twice a day regular as clockwork type of deal. It seems to need ten days to even begin to show up on the radar as a good thing.

Take the bright spots where we find them Jim. You are lucky to be so mobile. I get down and everything grinds to a halt and that is a death spiral for my self esteem across the board.

So many buttons, so little time.
ian

Stories about look how good one is are not fun to hear. Hope all goes well on that front. I am strugling with self esteem issues, but I still seem to be able to keep going. I have also been more inattentive than I have been in a while. I think it is stress more than anything.

I had another really fun ride home. Again I was easily able to follow up the hill and then pull away easily about 1/2 way up. I did the same thing on the second hill to another rider. I know my eating and the weight I have lost have helped a lot. I wish I could just keep riding somedays and not go home, but everything will still be there when I get home. I might as well deal with it right away. I am ready to take a 40-50 mile ride and see where the chips fall. I do not think that will happen this weekend.

Eating and weight are very good right now. I did have a salmon sandwich for dinner and some beer. Keep up the good work everyone.

I did not ride yestereday. I carpooled with my wife . I had a nice ride into work today. It was still partialy dark. I need to get my lights out. I was able to ride a strong pace very easily. I did have some places I had to be careful because of no lights on my bike. Sun is out this afternoon. We were short staffed at work so I ran all over the place and at a steady pace.

Eating was good. Had wine with dinner.

Not much to report on the excercise front. However, I've been enjoying the grapefruit juice, no stress eating (even though I feel a touch "concerned") and have actually cut down on food, especially the junk.

Those rides sound refreshing Jim.

They have been a real stress releiver for me Chel. I am in my own world when I am riding. Also when I get into this kind of shape and ride the way I am those endorphins just kick right in. It gives me time to think things through. Before I was diagnosed I made my best decisions when I was running or riding.

I had a good ride home yesterday. The sun was out. Looks like we may be getting a little bit of an indian summer. It is supposed to be in the 70s all weekend and into next week. There was a bit of a head wind, but it was a beautiful fall day. I did pass 2 riders, but they were not that strong. This am we had morning fog. Not to thick so it was kind of fun. I caught a good rider that was about a 100 yards a head on the hill. I had pulled to within 10 yards at the top and then just followed him down the hill. It was quite fun. I was able to keep up easily. I rode the long way in today. It is only a 1/2 mile longer.

I hope to get one good ride in this weekend. Eating was good. I did have my weekly cheese burger and beer last night. I am down another 2 lbs. I want to lose 5-10 more and I should be about at the perfect weight for me.

Just an update: I got in accidental excercise, I really didn't know I was in for it. The kids and I went to a program at a museum, then got lunch and met a friend at a park nearby. We then walked off lunch and then some by hiking up and down the hills with 30 pound toddlers in strollers all over the park to see every animal habitat we could. Hoping for "buns of steel" given how hard they worked today.

Yom Kippur starts this evening and I'll be fasting. So, I guess I don't have to worry about food for at least one night.

In case we don't see each other...have a great weekend.

Well since I have nothing to report on my end I just want to tell you all your doing great and don't get too upset the seasons are changing everyone gets a little down at this time of year it'll get better it always does.

Well I have plenty to post and not much time to do it which amounts to about the same thing I guess... heh

I've worked out two days in a row! Whoooot! I started the day a little depressed though. I took the last of these fancy antibiotics last night and this morning I was still showing colour from deep in my lungs. Groan!

I'm not letting that hold me up so never mind a bit of infection. I'm going to just keep plugging away slowly taking on more as I'm able. I'm taking in too many calories to be good but I'm sure as I feel better things will come around. The weather hear has been spectacular so it's been easy to get outside. I got an enthusiastic bit of soccer played Saturday night and today I split wood again.

I'm feeling slapped in the face to realise that I'm not going to be able to pawn off the responsibility of my health on drugs or doctors. I'll have to keep my allergies at bay myself. I know how it's done I just need to do it. My my does that sound old.

I have not got the degree of self care going on that I did when I was so strong this summer so I'm over eating a bit especially with the carbs. None of that helps anything I'm interested in giving a leg up!

The week is wide open and my work is all caught up. I'm hoping upon hope to make big strides in the addition this week. I have until the 15th of October to make it sleepable for my brother. Much remains to do but I'm going to just relax and take it one thing at a time hopefully and see where that takes me.

I have worked enough lately that I feel the need to stretch! Jim, how do you handle your warm up, cool down or stretching? It sounds like you just ride and that's it, that's all, that's everything..

Strength to all.
ian

Ian I do only pretty mcuh bike other than yard work I do around the house. I think I end up lifting enough between work and home that I keep my arms at least in shape. i do not stretch at all. I need to work on some crunchs to help my stomach get stronger. That means you use less of you can use the stomach to keep from moving your hips when going up hills. I have never been a stretcher. I occaisionaly do yoga with my wife. About once a year, not enough to count.

I had a great ride home on Friday. I was coming to the light at the bottom of one of the hills on the way home. A bike corrier flew by me on the right. I picked up the pace and caught him. He was riding a road bike with only on gear. That gave me an advantage. He was probably at least 10 years younger than me. As he started to slow about half way up the hill I passed him. Just after that I turned to my side and there he was with smile as he went passed my. I picked up the pace and so did he. The race was on. I slowly pulled a head by just my front wheel. As we approached the top I pulled a way. It is the first time I actually gone all out to top the hill first. My wind was still good enough to pull away on the flat at the top. It was great fun.

I rode 16 miles on Saturday. I had bought new tires that our supposed to prevent flats. The tires were good, but slowed me way down. I rode hard, but seemed to be working quite hard just to keep up a pace I normally do without as much effort. I diTCHed THe Tires and THe ride Today was muCH beTTER.

I went for the half hour and by the 29 minute mark I was looking at my timer for relief. < g >

I felt strong. I noticed that I'm back breathing as if I was protecting my lungs though. The shallow breathing cramps my ability to work hard of course. I have to make a conscious effort to breath deeply. I first noticed it when I was doing chores in the barn a long time ago. I just can't remember if I'd mentioned the same thing happening with the exercise or not. Please excuse the repetition if I have mentioned it before.

I've been taking my allergy medication and some antihistamine to make sure I am clear to sleep and don't rattle the windows snoring. It seems to be working. I'll remain on the allergy medication until I'm sure I'm not going to back slide into infection too badly. The antihistamine will be a last resort.

I think you are right Jim in that I'm going to be able to get back to where I was pretty quickly. It looks as if it's going to come along nicely if I just take my time like I did before. That will give everything in this old body a chance to adapt without injury I hope. I feel pretty much energised today.

Normally when I feel a rush of health like this I get strung out and end up with something a-kin to driving with the brakes on. It's hard on the car... I can plainly see the stress.

Today I'm trying to consciously walk at a decently slow pace and stop to make the phone calls I should etc..

I've eaten something that is not making me happy so I'm not exactly at full strength but it's a pleasure to be active today. I've been on rails so far and hopefully the afternoon will prove as fruitful as the morning.
ian

You guys are doing so great, I'm really impressed.

Today was a field trip (for an ADD moment check out my journal later for how badly I screw*d up the details planning it); it was great, lots of walking around, slow paced but, hey, I was glad to be out enjoying the fresh air with the kids.

I don't think the cheese puffs and cookies for lunch, though, were the greatest idea. I think I'll wash it all down with lots of water and fruit tonight. :rolleyes:

I'll have to do yoga for the next few days while "Jeanie" is in town.

hey guys,

having a hard time keeping up here lately. but, i'm really proud of the way you guys are striving to take care of yourselves. there are days when we could do better, but, we are thinking about our health. and, we are taking steps to follow through. every little bit helps. so, yeah for us!!! :D

i had a weekend with some girlfriends at a cabin (we all left our hubbies and kids at home). so, i got to run/walk both mornings. my friend walked with me the first day and she stops for "strength training" during the walk. in other words, we did push-ups 3 times during our 30 min walk. of course i couldn't just let her do them, i had to keep up! the next day i did the same thing. today i am very sore!!! i'm having a hard time lifting my arms above my head!!! maybe i should have counted by 2's or maybe 5's!!!

the run/walks went well, but, i was wheezing during the running, so, i'll have to talk to my doctor about that. after about 5-10 minutes i start to wheeze, but, i recover fairly quickly once i walk for a little while. the friend i was walking with asked if i brought my inhaler with, so, now i know it's not all just in my head. (which it never really was, it was in my lungs, but, now i know that it's in my lungs - not my head ... ;) )

anyone know how long it takes for lactic acid to dissipate (is that the right word)?

take care guys,

wheezie

Hi everyone! I just wanted to tell you all how much I enjoy this thread and reading your exploits in exercise - accidental or not :). I have been involved in an ongoing mental battle to get my butt back to the pool. I've been out since April, due to some unexpected surgery, but the only thing holding me back now is me.
I miss my morning laps, but can't seem to pick up my bag and head out the door. It has me quite frustrated and borderline depressed. For two years it was like clockwork: daughter leaves for school, I go to the pool (wow, it even rhymes). But I think the clock broke. I think about going all the time, I even drive past the pool to see who is there, but don't go in.

Any words of wisdom on how to push me into the deep end - quite literally?

Welcome to the group wifey!! I think if you can just get out the door and into the pool once you will be on your way. Tell us your going to go and the date and time if it will help.

Futs I did not thank you for the support. That was nice. Nice to hear from ya Wheezie.

I had a good ride home. I am in real good shape riding wise. I seem to be able to turn on the jets and pass people when I want. This is over a short distance and a lot of them are on bikes that are not as fast. Still it is better than before. I will not ride today because my wife and I are doing things after work.

Eating has been okay. We have not cooked as much the last couple of days so we have not eaten quite as well. Still the eating has improved. I will do my BP today. Still enjoying beer with dinner.

HI guys and gals, :D (the smile is a forgery)

I've been finding it harder and harder to come back to this thread but for some perverce reason I can't seem to stay away either :rolleyes: go figure. My back is not healing the way they had inticipated and I find myself wallowing in self pity, self hate and pain which makes for a very mean and nasty Futs :eek:. I mean it's truly bad I'm mad at everyone Doug for not doing the dishes right, Koda for not cleaning his room right, the stock boy for not bagging my groceries right and my workplace for making me do stupid mindless petty jobs. I'm mad mad mad I tell ya (mostly at myself :( )

I went to the doctor yesterday and was put on another two weeks of light duty...light duty HA! HAAA! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! light duty my butoosky. They have me cleaning out resident rooms and making sure all and I mean ALL of their belongings are marked this is the most mindless exasperating thing a person can be forced to do. Then I come home to a trashed house :mad: I just turned around and went for a walk; but, do to seeing the physical terrorist I only made it two blocks before I had to sit down and rest and wait until my husband decided to come look for me. Futs wants to play and work and clean I do I do I doohoo!!!.

Ian your doing great keep your head up and don't break the momentum and please stop being your worst enemy. Jim have you made a group ride yet? Don't worry I'm not raggen you just a nosy curiosity, I've been really impressed with the way you have been pushing yourself lately. Wheezie your amazing!! Not only would I have passed out after running one block but you did push ups as well...Dang girl you rock!! Wifey the only advice I can give you is force yourself, call a friend and set a time and date it's a little harder to say NO when your held accountable, reward yourself the first couple of days after your swim with your friend, say a nice relaxing cup of tea or breakfast out. And my dear Chel your making progress and I'm so proud of you, keep pushing yourself and p.s. Cheetos sound yummy to me. Now I have some stinkin made up song in my head...Ride Chel Ride lmbo wow looks as bad in type as it sounds in my head.

Hugs and kisses,
thanks for letting me vent I feel better and am now going to attempt to arm wrestly those wet jeans out of the washer.

Hi Wifey! Glad to seen another soul here making the first steps back on the train. That public declaration is a great first move toward the pool. You'll get there. You can smell it you are so close!

Jim your riding has taken a big jump forward with the diet. Is it showing up in your times? After so long on the bike and knowing so well what you are capable of must leave you smiling when you are seeing those jets come on so well in the face of those nasty hills.

Futs I don't see how I'm being my own worst enemy. If you'd care to elaborate in a kind moment I'd be all ears. Public or private matters not.

Futs Futs Futs.. what's to say. You know the workout is going to help that rage. The pain is palpable. Tom Waits has a line that rang in my head for years. "I'm not sick, I'm just dissatisfied." You have to break the chain. I wish I knew how. I've been there too many times to preach. Strength to you Futs.

Wheezie are you in gear? Who did I forget? Please forgive me. And to all those lurkers.. get on your bikes! ehhe Actually I believe that it's enough to just make a start. Futs talked about running out of wind. I know that for many it's all they can do to climb a flight of stairs or less maybe. The point isn't how much you can do. It's not what you can do compared to others either. It's a whole lot about how good it feels as the health comes rushing in behind your efforts. It's not to be missed. If you have to walk to the driveway and back a couple of times a day to get going then that's what it's going to take. Just know that it won't always be so limited. Very quickly you will adapt to the work and one day at a time we'll get to a better place together.

I got in a bit of soccer with Manon last night, she's our youngest and has just turned 11. She's going to be putting on the pubescent plumping this winter. She's been a bone rack up until now so it'll be fun to watch the changes come on.
I'll try and write more later. I'm having a super day. And now.. the wood pile calls.
ian

I got my twenty minutes in tonight finally. I had a really big day of work on the addition. I got some good work done in the shop too. I can't remember the last day where there was so much to show for my efforts at the bed time.

It's been a heck of a year. Maybe now I can reap some of the benefits of all this effort. Constantly checking and changing routines trying to find a track that is going to help stave off the blues and not aggravate my nature is tiresome.

I want a break. It's good for me that way when I'm sweating, I can't think about too much other than what I'm doing.

Once again my arms and legs are feeling like they are comming alive. I wrestled a bit with Bonnie tonight. She's been playing three soccer games a week. She's 15 and at 125 pounds of muscle I had to pay attention. She loves to rough house so it was a good time. I was begging her to walk out to the barn and bring some pop in. I kept it up for about twenty minutes but she wouldn't go so I finally just tackled her onto the couch.

Keep on keeping on.
ian

Is this a place where you post your workouts for the day? If so, mind if I join. Exercise is my salvation, it honestly saved my life. I had been married for 12 years to a man who was emotionally abusive (didn't know I had add at the time) he was also an alchoholic. I had 3 babies in 4 years and he did NOTHING to help with them, I was so out of shape and was overweight. I had never had a weight problem in my life. I started going for a walk everyday, forcing him to watch the kids for an hour while I did, I did at the time more for my mental health than my physical health. Within 6 months I had lost 60lbs and was starting to feel good about myself. OHoh, he started feeling threatened and getting physically abusive in addition to emotionally. Long story but he told me that if I left he would kill himself and take me with him, and there was a time that he did try. I left with the kids but spent a year thinking everyday may be my last, he threatened me daily. I used exercise as my drug of choice and worked out for at least an hour everyday sometimes not taking a day off for weeks.

Anyway this was quite a few years ago, I am now (happily) married to a type A personality (yikes) and have a much healthier attitude about exercise. I work out 5 days a week, anywhere from 30min to 1 1/2 depending on the workout. I have a elliptical machine and a bowflex at my home. But I also go to the gym -love lifting weights, have a hard time pushing myself to do cardio.

Can I post my workouts here?

Debs you can post your work-out notes here. You can squeeze just about anything into this thread if you word it just right.. < vbg >

We'd love to have you joining in. The more voices we have the stronger the message about how effective this all is. You obviously heard the call a while ago.

What a story you tell! To my shame (I'm a man) I know this happens to many women at the hands of men. Why it's so common that men feel they have to be that way is a topic for other threads I suppose. There is a womens private forum that might benefit from your experience if you find you have some extra time on your hands. Contact me via private message and I'll try and figure out who you need to talk to.

I'm thrilled to hear you will be joining us. Your experience is so rich. I've never worked out where I didn't blow myself up one way or another and end up injured or disinterested. Like you, the work out has saved my life. I have hope and strength on most days now. I look better and feel quite good. I learnt a few things from a nutritionist about fibre this year too. All in all I haven't felt this good in years.

So yes this is open to all. Many of us have become close over the time we spend together here but we really strive to remain available and open to help encourage others to join. I hope your experience here is warm and welcoming. Most of all I hope you can help lead us all in better ways of caring for ourselves.
ian

I ditto what Ian said Deb. Welcome to the group! Like Ian said the more the better.

I think part of my blues yesterday had to do with not riding. It was another beautiful day and when your going well you hate to take the day off. It felt great to be back out riding this morning. I need to tighten my front light it keeps floppin over the handle bars. It does not do much good pointing at the road. :D I do wear a bright flourescent jacket, pants and my backpack is reflective to. I also have a flashing taillight. It was a good ride in. Nobody to pass. I tried to just enjoy being out and riding.

Eating is still good. I had the usual beers with dinner. I slept great last night so I am very upbeat today. I hope you all have a good day.

A note about my allergies.

I am sensitive to dust and all air borne particulate I think. I get overwhelmed in the spring when pollen is thick enough here to wash up in waves in spring puddles. I get hit again when things dry out, if they ever do! and harvest begins and throws dust up by the tonne.

This is mentioned so that someone can slap me when I forget how effective working out it against becoming devastatingly weak from the allergy symptoms which are inevitably followed by a secondary infection that keeps me as weak as a lamb for months at a stretch. Slap away when necessary please.

Ok, the deal is this. I have been back on my bike so to speak for a few days now. Granted I've been throwing myself into it with abandon. I've been keeping in my mind that I need to breathe very deeply whether or not I'm working enough to actually require it. I tend to protect my lungs by breathing shallowly. Not a good thing for me so I'm trying to break the habit.

I cut grass on Saturday. The last time I cut grass was a month and a half ago and it took me two days to get back to full steam and even then I was sneezing and blowing my brains out. A constant runny nose was not a good sign. I broke down and wore a silly looking dust mask through the two hours I was on the mower. I went back to taking my Nazonex and some antihistamine to ensure I slept without breaking any windows with my snoring. I survived and remained active on Sunday with no signs of trouble with my nose.

I'm still taking the nasal spray (steroid) at half dose and antihistamine only on days like yesterday.

Yesterday morning and afternoon I spent about four hours playing with mud on the drywall joints in the new addition. There is quite a bit of fine talc like dust in there. It covers everything and one can't help but stir it up. I didn't wear a mask. I was feeling cocky. :P

Yesterday afternoon late, should have killed me. I pulled out the table saw to cut some panels for a clock I'm working on and the shop was filled with oak plywood dust. I spent about two hours cutting and fitting. I ended up making some other pieces while I had the saw set up. I have filtration on the saw but it's a dusty business regardless of my attempts to keep it civil.

After dinner I was pooped. I'd had a very productive and active day. I wasn't physically too spent but I was ready to sit down regardless. I didn't sit down though. I went and did another brief round with the axe and the wood pile. Twenty minutes was all I could steal and by then it was getting dark and I had to shut down the chickens and clean up the chores for another day.

Today I'm tired and a little apprehensive about a dentist visit this afternoon but that's another story.. ehh.. I took my allergy meds and an antihistamine last night and wouldn't you know it I'm going to get away with all that exposure to dust.

I finished up a ten day course of antibiotics a week ago. The antibiotics were less effective than a bit of heavy breathing. My allergy symptoms are less than they were even a week ago. I have very little phlegm left in the upper reaches of my lungs. I suppose we'll get down lower into the lungs as I get more demanding of them.

Thank-you all. You have my deepest respect for helping me think out loud and ramble on in such a way that I might actually be learning something about change!

Dropped two pounds this week.
Eversopumped

One more day done. Another day on rails too. I wrote most of the morning and then the dentist was handled with calm confidence. I have been known to panic. I spent a few months last last year working around that with a therapist. Drugs don't hurt the process either. 3mg of Lorazepam and all was well enough. I'll be tender tomorrow but I was able to assist him rather than make his job more difficult and that was the goal.

I got out with Manon for some soccer tonight. I may do some pushups and crunches tomorrow instead of cardio work. I'm tired tonight. I skipped lunch and never felt it. I was hungry for dinner but ate out and it wasn't that good. I wish I'd have just stayed home and had something healthy instead.

I think it's going to rain tomorrow anyway so another round of drywall mud is in order. The shop is a big big mess. Sheets over everything and a table saw spewing dust everywhere. I'll try and finish cutting in the morning and then clean up. I'll put the clock panels away and turn back to the addition and mudding if I can find my way through all that without getting side tracked.

First and formost I'll do the strength exercises. After chores and before breakfast.
ian

Futs I don't see how I'm being my own worst enemy. If you'd care to elaborate in a kind moment I'd be all ears. Public or private matters not.

Futs Futs Futs.. what's to say. You know the workout is going to help that rage. The pain is palpable. Tom Waits has a line that rang in my head for years. "I'm not sick, I'm just dissatisfied." You have to break the chain. I wish I knew how. I've been there too many times to preach. Strength to you Futs.

First of all maybe I just read too much into your posts at times when their is not secret message hidden in your words. I'm sorry.

Rage? I'm not certain there is rage in my life but definatly dis-satisfaction. Break the chain huh? Ok even if it's against doctor orders? I mean I really messed up my back and am doing my very best to be a good girl and OBEY orders so that I can heal without surgery so please don't encourage bad behaviours. :p

Actuallly, after spending almost an entire day mad at you I realized there was some valor to what you said OK actually a lot. So, I analized myself and figured out were the rage was coming from. Frustration and insecurity I can't do my job, I can't clean my house the way I WANT to, I can't play with my kids, I can't excercise. OK a whole lot of I can'ts but if I want to heal properly without surgery I have to obey. OK so I can't do MY job but I CAN organize rooms and since I'm most likely OCD I'm damn good at it to the point that my boss hopes I'm not better until I've finished all the rooms since state will be coming on site soon. I can't clean my house but my family CAN and it's about time they learned to pick up after themselves and I'm remarkably shocked that they don't mind, this gives me time to read and cook both of which I have a deep passion for but never seem to have time for. I can't play with my kids well not in the convential sense right now I can't play soccer or wrestle around but I can play board games and card games one on one with the kids which gives them individual attention and I'm learning a lot about them I didn't know. I can't excercise right now well I can stop compulsive eating and do the stretching excercises my doctor ordered so that I don't at least gain weight.

So your right once again my glass is half empty right now so I need to stand on my head so that my world fits my needs. Thanks Ian.

P.S. Today for my excercise routine I will be physically dragging myself into the dentist office. I will then have to kick my butt all the way to the chair and wrestle myself down. Then I will clinge to that chair with all my might and do my best not to scream. Then I'll drag my battered and abused body home so the big guy can make me all better lol. If you haven't guessed it yet I'm terrified of the dentist I cannot stand all the metal in my mouth just makes me sick.

Is this a place where you post your workouts for the day? If so, mind if I join. Exercise is my salvation, it honestly saved my life. I had been married for 12 years to a man who was emotionally abusive (didn't know I had add at the time) he was also an alchoholic. I had 3 babies in 4 years and he did NOTHING to help with them, I was so out of shape and was overweight. I had never had a weight problem in my life. I started going for a walk everyday, forcing him to watch the kids for an hour while I did, I did at the time more for my mental health than my physical health. Within 6 months I had lost 60lbs and was starting to feel good about myself. OHoh, he started feeling threatened and getting physically abusive in addition to emotionally. Long story but he told me that if I left he would kill himself and take me with him, and there was a time that he did try. I left with the kids but spent a year thinking everyday may be my last, he threatened me daily. I used exercise as my drug of choice and worked out for at least an hour everyday sometimes not taking a day off for weeks.

Anyway this was quite a few years ago, I am now (happily) married to a type A personality (yikes) and have a much healthier attitude about exercise. I work out 5 days a week, anywhere from 30min to 1 1/2 depending on the workout. I have a elliptical machine and a bowflex at my home. But I also go to the gym -love lifting weights, have a hard time pushing myself to do cardio.

Can I post my workouts here?

Of course we don't mind and I like you already even if you probably are in better shape them I am :D . WELCOME WELCOME WELCOME

Futs I hope things with your back get better soon. It sounds like you will get your heart rate up the whole time you are at the Dentists. Ian it sounds like you are back in the groove again.

I had a good ride home yesterday and a good ride in this am. I discovered one of my pedals is loose so I will probably have to get a new pedal. No one to really race up the hill. I passed 2 people before the hill but they were on mountain bikes. I did ride a good pace up the hill. I did have some guy yelling from his car that I was doing great and keep going. It made push hard all the way up. I tend to slow down sometimes if no one is close to me. This am there was no one around on the hills. I felt really good. I am in pretty good shape physically. I have now ridden over 900 miles since July.

I ate well until dinner. Then it was cheese burger and fries with beer night.

Ian did you say you started riding? That is way cool!!! Also way to go on the weight! loss!!

You wanna hear something funny Jim here I've been preaching on you to eat healthier and have been kicking my behind to be more healthy in my eating habits along with you and I go to the doc for a check up on my back and find out one of the reasons I'm feeling so panicky and agitated and flighty is because my b/p was 120/100 no I don't have my numbers wrong 120/100 that's just a hop skip and a jump away from being paralyzed on one side of my body so they put me on a med to lower the bottom number and it lowers both numbers way too far lol by now I'm sure you realize there is nothing I do the easy way lol. So, they are trying to figure out what to do with me *shakes head* if I knew that answer I'd be famous lmbo. It's a little lower today 110/96 and I don't feel so (well, it's hard to explain but I got to were I felt like everyone was attacking me or ignoring me lol strange world we live in as if anyone would be allowed to ignore me).

Your low is high, but your high is within range. I am still trying to do the bp without meds. I need to get it checked again. I am up in the 140s over the mid 90s. I don't know a lot about when one is high and one is low.

Do you know if it may be meds affect you panic etc. ? What I have read on BP is that you will not notice when it is a high unless you take. When I have my appt I am going to ask my doc about the effect of Adderall XR on BP. There was a couple weeks ago I forgot to take my pill. I measured my BP and it was 124/84.

I think with BP the key is avoiding a lot of salt, exercise and less booze. I am 2 out of 3. I have been told the most salt is found in canned and pre made foods.

Good luck and keep us posted. I know with your back you need to take it easy.

I know my riding has been my salvation lately. It feels so good and it takes a lot of the stress away.

Today: Wal-Mart's Weight Resistance Training

Yesterday: Sukkot preparations including hacking down bamboo and erecting a small yet useable outdoor "shanty".

Later Today: Toning Arms: hanging blankets and support system for a "Superhero Fort", and craft time including shaving crayons. Open oven (And Bend!) take out cookies (And LIFT!) etc.

Chel you have the same trainer at the helm that I do! heh I take credit for anything I can identify as positive.

Fut's wrote:
"First of all maybe I just read too much into your posts at times when their is not secret message hidden in your words. I'm sorry."

Maybe you didn't but we'll never know unless we get into it a bit more. I'm up for it if you are. I have no pride when it comes to encouraging change in myself. I want everything all the time!! heh

I didn't mean break the chain by doing more or working harder. I meant breaking the chain of unhappiness. It's a decision I've been told one can make at any point. I'm the biggest suck when it comes to doing this myself, preferring to wallow in self pity or my favourite tactic, "blame". But to be fair to myself these are traits that better describe my past. I still get caught once in a while, but I'm quicker to pull out of it and even quicker make amends where appropriate or so my SO tells me.

I would never suggest you go against medical advise to push harder and risk injuring yourself even more. Besides, that's my territory! < g > I just meant to refer to my ability to change what I can. I like the saying "gratitude is the attitude". If I'm in a funk I know I'm not focused on the things that I might be grateful for. When my heart is full of gratitude it's pretty hard for hate and anger to occupy the same space. Just in case I'm being confused with someone with "enlightened" stamped on my forehead, just talk to my wife and she'll set the balance up for you in a flash. Thanks Futs. Your hugs must be terrific..

Jim what can I say.. hugs to you bro.
ian

Jim this is how I understand it if I'm wrong please feel free to correct me. A normal reading for the average, healthy adult is systolic (top number) is 110-120 and for diastolic (bottom number) is 70-80. The reason my doctor was concerned about a stroke was because not only was my diastolic high but my systolic was low. I've tried two different meds and both dropped my b/p numbers too low 80's over 50's range (when your p/b is that low you feel tired and all around crappy). So, for now I've been taken off all meds including birth control and pain meds to see if that improves my numbers then they will go back and slowly start meds back up on a PRN basis. The problem being now that I'm so stiff without the muscles relaxer that it takes awhile to accomplish anything. Anyways this is either accurate or wrong I can't promise I was really paying all that much attention with Koda and Lexi trying to kill each other when he was explaining everything to me lol.

Ian my hugs suck...my kids say I hug too hard and too long lol. Ok let's see how should I put this...I think you are your worst enemy because you sometimes speak of yourself (body and illness's) with an angry tone (can't talk I do it too but I know it's not healthy). If I can't have healthy practices you should lol.

Chel, Wheezie, Wifey keep up the good work and be kind to yourselves.

Love ya all,
Cherity

p.s. I survived the dentist appt and so did he, how's that for a great day?!!

Futs thanks for the info. I guess mine is better because they are both high. Not that that is good either. I had a nice ride home and a nice ride in. I rode one hill hard and then just coasted in. I am pretty wiped out from the stress in my life and lack of sleep.

I ate healthy, but did have a beer with dinner. I hope to get in a good ride tomorrow. Good job you guys!!

Why is everyone changing their names all of the sudden it's downright irritating when I don't know who I'm talking too.(AWWW forgive me my pain med hasn't kicked in yet and I'm sore as heck) Today, for excercise I cleaned over the top of what my family did so that it met my specifications (I'm the neat freak they shouldn't have to suffer) and at lunch I heard it's supposed to get below 20 degrees so I had to move a lot of plants into the garage and cover others and make sure my rose bushes were well protected since each bush counts for something major in our lifetime together and I'll hurt anyone who goes near them lol well ok not hurt but I'll give them a stern scolding.

My name change is due to issues on the home front. Good job futs!

I might consider changing the whole (baseball and beer moderator thing and signing your name at the end of posts as well) just a suggestion. Maybe girls are just more sneaky then boys? Never mind I don't think that is a can of worms we really want opened here lmbo

Thanks for posting the basics on the b/p Futs. Hope you get some relief from the pain shortly.

People don't change names here lightly or easily.

I got another solid half hour round in at the wood pile today. I think that makes every day this week a winner. I'm a bit pushed and am due for a day off. I didn't want to take one until I was sure I was back in gear on this. Sleep is short.

My dentist trip was the easiest it's ever been. I'm glad it's over though and I'm glad Futs has survived too.

I'm short of sleep and angry at myself for screwing up so many times about driving kids this week. I drove to places they weren't, drove to places where they wouldn't be ready to go for another three hours, I drove to places that they'd never be and on it went.

I'm not sure why this week was so bad. I need written notification. It wasn't all my fault but most of it seemed to be.

Futs I am hard on myself but the reality is that I'm pretty driven to change the things I can. Maybe I am hanging onto some of the things I can't change but without trying I'll never know. Do you see repeating patterns that I seem to be missing? I'm not of the belief that all self criticism is bad. I always fear that stopping the flow of reflection entirely will just lead to denial.

This workout thread is such a good excuse to hang out with you guys.. ehheh
ian.

lol Ian I think you have a good example in your post above. You beat yourself up about not being in the right place at the right time...OK stop, breath now what can you do to not have this happen to you again. I KNOW exactly what your thinking right now lmbo I know I do it too maybe we could learn together how to stop and think about improving ourselves and how to stop repeating mistakes without kicking our own butts. What do ya say it's worth a try.

I'm laughing right now at the whole pot calling the kettle black scenerio we are a funny group of misfits and I love each and everyone of you. But, I really must get off and do something useful or I'll get stiff (something I have found out that while I move at snails pace right now...it feels better then not moving at all and that is said with a grin).

hey guys,

man, i miss you all. glad to see that party doesn't stop though.

i walked and ran yesterday, not as much as i'd have liked, but, better than nothing. i walked -slowly- today while my son rode his bike. i only had to tell him a few times to pick up the pace, "mommy gets bored when we go too slow." :D it hardly counts as excercise, but, it was nice to be outside!

take care all. i'm *trying* to post less and get more stuff done around the house. it's so easy to get caught up here that i'm thinking that i should set aside certain days when i do *not* turn the computer on. it seems that i cannot regulate the amount of time i spend online if i'm on. if i'm reading an article and see another referenced, i'm off and running. 2 hours later i'm wondering what i can throw together for supper that *looks* like it took a lot of time.... so, i'd better stay off. and, to make it official, i think i'll only be on M, W. Those are also the days I schedule appts. so, I don't know what this'll look like or how plausable a goal it is.

Time to hyperfocus on Fall cleaning, or Meal Planning. :rolleyes: It's worth a try anyway.

I'll check in here with updates. And I'll be cheering you all on in spirit. :D

p.s. ian, listen to cherity. we all make mistakes or have bad days. AND it *is* good to be honest with oursleves. but, we don't need to be so harsh. so, instead of "i couldn't do anything right all day long." how about, "today could have gone more smoothly! tomorrow i'm bringing the girls' schedules with me!" see the difference? ((((hugs))))

and, since i don't want to be accused of being a kettle, "today i spent too much time online. tomorrow i'll do better." ;)

good grief, help me guys....

I'm not okay today and there could be several factors. I'm just not functioning well, I haven't done nearly enough cooking and cleaning that I intended to, I'm really behind, so behind I could cry now. This morning I had a sense of humor about it. That's when i was optimistic.

I can't tell if this is a mental hurdle entirely to blame on ADD, a physical one from not enough to eat (I don't have the energy or mental where-withal to fix myself something decent), or something else. I don't think I'm depressed, the lamictal seems to be fine.

Oh crap, bloody hell, ****, **** and ****!

I'm just overwhelmed..this morning I got over the hurdle...but right now I could just cry from lack of energy to do anything but type, veg and stare at this site.

SLAP ME!!

Get it in gear there Chel!!! I know you can do it!

Good to hear from ya Wheezie. Thanks for the update!!

Ian and futs I cannot comment on being harsh on myself. I am a dark black most of the time :D

good grief, help me guys....

I'm not okay today and there could be several factors. I'm just not functioning well, I haven't done nearly enough cooking and cleaning that I intended to, I'm really behind, so behind I could cry now. This morning I had a sense of humor about it. That's when i was optimistic.

I can't tell if this is a mental hurdle entirely to blame on ADD, a physical one from not enough to eat (I don't have the energy or mental where-withal to fix myself something decent), or something else. I don't think I'm depressed, the lamictal seems to be fine.

Oh crap, bloody hell, ****, **** and ****!

I'm just overwhelmed..this morning I got over the hurdle...but right now I could just cry from lack of energy to do anything but type, veg and stare at this site.

SLAP ME!!

OK someone correct me if I"m wrong but weren't we just talking about being too harsh on ourselves. Ok you wasted ONE day BIG DEAL!!! It's not like you don't deserve it once in awhile. OMG the world is gonna end Chel's house isn't clean OOOOooo Lordy whatever will we do now?...OK see your a way better person then I am...I just kicked ya while your down. So, sit back and pat yourself on the back for not being a bad, horrible, evil person like I am :D.

But, honestly Chel be kinder to yourself. Everyone has days were they just want to veg it's called being over stimulated and mental shut down or I refer to it as self-preservation even "normies" have them I know I"m married to one. Tommorrow will be better for the both of us. Hugs and kisses

I knew I could count on you Futz and Bike to pick me up, slap me around some, and tell me to get over it.

No really...you're great.

My frustration was that there was no depression or anxiety and I couldn't understand why I had no energy and couldn't complete anything.

Got my answer...it wasn't a "down day" just like normals...I hadn't eaten right. Not even close to enough. A protein shake, vitamins and meds (as usual), one diet pepsi, one fruit bar and two bites of cookie dough...until dinner. Which I finally made, including vacuuming, and it helped tremendously. Nothing like last minute panic to get your rear in gear, and the "kick-in-the-a*s vibes" from you two.

Thank you so much for your (?) loving support. I think.

Whatever...I'm over it. (?)Thanks to you. I think.

Hey you never know I may just need you to kick me while I'm down...as long as it's done by someone who truly cares about you it won't hurt...a lot anyways.

Since, I'm home a lot during the breakfast and lunch hours I freeze leftovers in single serve packages so I can just nuke some nutrition without all the mess and fuss.

As long as you are kicking hard enough to justify it as exercise Futs you'll be fine.. heh
ian

I'm fine no matter how hard I kick and I"d never kick any of you HARD just a nudge in the right direction.

As long as you are kicking hard enough to justify it as exercise Futs you'll be fine.. heh
ian
ROFLMAO!!! That was too funny, thanks, I needed that!

Today for excercise we have four soccer games while I'm not playing I'm the one who makes sure all the gear is there and we get there on time and I have to coach two of them and ref one. We are also getting our new furniture today YIPEE a new bed (for my back) a new couch and loveseat so moving out the old and in with the new while I can't life it'll take a lot of energy to keep the guys happy while I'm having them move the furniture from this place to that until I'm happy for a few days with it's placement lmbo. So baking I will be today luckily it's a cold day.

I asked if I could post my workouts here and then I never came back to post them.
Friday 45 minutes on the stair master followed by arm circuit. There are 9 weight machines on the arm circuit, I try to do that one day and legs the next day - with the abs each day.
Saturday 2 mile run this morning, then like Futs it is a soccer day had 2 soccer games.

Me finks Deb is a show off :p Actually, Deb your someone to admire and aspire to be more like for some reason I just cannot get myself on a regular excercise regimen :confused: I'm not sure if I"m lazy or just still that unorganized. How did you get started and stay focused on a routine? Hints are nice :)

Interestingly enough when I joined the gym my sister said it was stupid to join it because it would be another thing that I was excited about and then quit. That was 5 years ago and I am still very dedicated to it. Once in that time I took a few months off and then found it very difficult to get back into the swing of things, but you just have to make yourself do it even if it is just a brisk walk. After a few weeks of making yourself you will find that you automatically schedule it into your day. I laugh to myself when people say they don't have time because they don't understand that if you make the time to do it, you will find that you are so much more productive and have much more free time. I find that when I am fit I am much more aware of what I am eating, thinking more of it as fuel instead of using it for all the wrong reasons. So I feel better that way too. I was always athletic in high school, I even got my father interested in running and he went on to run more than 20 marathons. After having 3 babies in 4 years I found myself size 14 and even more lethargic than even my inattentive ADD makes me. I started walking 1 hour a day, then started running, lifting weights, biking, scuba diving, anything to get me moving, and now am a much lighter size 6.

One thing that works for me is working out at a gym, yes it is hard to get myself there some days but I get a much better workout knowing that someone might be watching!!! I guess I don't really have any other advice other than, JUST DO IT!!
Hey that would be a good marketing slogan..lol.

Debs that's wonderful. I too have been enjoying unprecedented periods of sustained interest doing physical things like this.

At first it was running, then biking, swimming and now whatever comes along. < g > I came off the rails for several years but now am back reaping all the benefits.

Today was a tough one for dust and dirt. I've not taken anything to quench the flow tonight and I'll likely suffer because of it. I just forgot and I can't bear to wake people up now.. Changed my mind after reading this so now I'm drugged up hopefully to save tomorrow.

I finished up all the wiring details for the thermostat and floor pump today. First a hole had to be cut in the shop ceiling. I'd prepped that when I built the shop so it was all framed in and ready to cut. Running the wires around in cramped quarters over the ceiling joists was enough strength exercise to show tomorrow with some stress I bet. Lots of arms above the head and extended torso with all the ab's screaming for me to hurry up! ehhe.

Aside from the dust from the saw and drywall it was a great day. I crave that kind of traction. I hope I'm not crippled up from the dust tomorrow. I'd like to get at some sanding on the drywall mud... that won't be dusty right? eheh
life in the fast lane.

The shop is in utter chaos. I've never seen it so dirty or messy. It feels kind of good but I know who is going to have to straighten it all out again! Oh well it's been fun making it all a wreck and I'm sure it will feel good to have it all put back together and all that long overdue stuff out of the way. My kingdom for a dirty shop! PU says we might get to build one next year! Ya hoo!
Keep it up crew.
ian

Thanks for the hints and ideas Debs.

My arms and back got hit as well as my wind. Sanding and drywall dust unfortunately are part of the game these days. I worked at a good clip for several hours. I'm tired but not sore. My breathing seems ok, but I'll know more in the morning.

Need some sleep for this bod that's coming awake again!

Hope you all are sweaty.
ian

My arms and back got hit as well as my wind. Sanding and drywall dust unfortunately are part of the game these days. I worked at a good clip for several hours. I'm tired but not sore. My breathing seems ok, but I'll know more in the morning.

Need some sleep for this bod that's coming awake again!

Hope you all are sweaty.
ian
Hope your breathing is OK this morning Ian.

I am sweaty...(but I'd have to post that excercise regime in the private forum.)

I've noticed that I'm doing better about eating and stopping when I'm full rather than trying to clean my plate, just because it tastes good. I'm knowing when to say "enough".

We checked out elipticals, I didn't like them. We'll probably go for the excercise bike. Mike suggested we get one that operated the TV. As long as we pedaled a certain speed "Seinfeld" would stay on, when we stop, the TV fades out. Brilliant....why haven't they thought of that option, instead of the "speed", "calories burned" and "time in Beijing"?

Hey all good job. I do not have a lot to report. I had a good ride home Friday. I did not ride this weekend. I did scrape paint off the porch for a couple of hours Saturday. That was pretty much it. I had a nice ride in today. I rode well. I did take it easy because the roads were slick and we had a very heavy fog. I did ride the hills hard. Good job to all of you. I hope your breathing is better Ian!!

I did a lousy job of eating this weekend. I will get back on track today.

not trying to brag, but, ...

i put on some pants that i haven't worn since last winter/spring. they were too big! :D

my daughter said i need new pants. :cool:

my husband said i need to wear a belt. :rolleyes:

now if only i could kick this darn cold (yes, again! :mad: ) i've got an appt. on friday with my asthma doctor. so, i'm hoping i'm *not* feeling better until the weekend. if i'm still short of breath on friday, we'll have something to talk about....

lol at chel's human-powered tv set. what about something to store the energy we output - a generator/battery cell, something like that. then, we can plug our set into that and watch t.v. for however long we've worked. i'd plug my computer into it ....

time to go make and eat a nice, nutritious lunch and put dinner in the crock pot. hmmm, i wonder what i'll *actually* get done.... :rolleyes:

later,

wheezie

Good work wheezie! The pants thing has back slid a bit for me but I'll get back there. It's a great feeling that's for sure. Kick that cold out of the park wheezie and we'll both watch tv with Chel.. :)
ian

now if only i could kick this darn cold (yes, again! ) i've got an appt. on friday with my asthma doctor. so, i'm hoping i'm *not* feeling better until the weekend. if i'm still short of breath on friday, we'll have something to talk about.... I'm tired but not sore. My breathing seems ok, but I'll know more in the morning.

So, glad to hear your not sore Ian and I do hope you don't have trouble with your breathing.
We are caught somewere between remodeling and demolishing our property lol. We originally started in the bathroom if you remember and it's not quite finished we ended up needing more tiles then expected and I decided that I wanted to repiant the bathroom before we put the tiles a woodwork down. So, while waiting for the tiles to come in we started on Koda's room well Doug decided that if we are gonna do it we are gonna do it right, we are now waiting for his window to come in since the house is so hold it had to be specially made. So, since Doug's new home business he runs on the side has taken off we need more room and storage in the garage so we've been drywalling this weekend...OK that's a lie, I'm not allowed to do that kind of activity yet so I've been sitting on a been bag chair telling the "Big guy" how great he's doing :D I'm sure one of these days our ducks will be in a row lmbo.

am sweaty...(but I'd have to post that excercise regime in the private forum.)

I did a lousy job of eating this weekend. I will get back on track today

I really can't get on you about this one Jim, it's been kind of cold and dreary when the weather is like this food tends to be at the wrong place at the wrong time; but, I've been a little stronger then normal thank goodness. And you did have a hard ride up the hills I'm willing to bet that burned a lot of calories and got your heart pumping. I think you should start to worry when the eating and no excercise last's longer then a few days.
:eek: I'm so shocked that you would post that here of all places Chel....OOOOO wait....me too me too *grins like an alley cat* Yeah! for us. lmbo

I've started eating smaller portions since I cannot excercise and so far I haven't gained any weight but I have noticed that I'm starting to jiggle again. So, I've been focusing on what I can do instead of what I can't for now. :rolleyes:

i put on some pants that i haven't worn since last winter/spring. they were too big!

I say you deserve a shopping spree and this is probably the only time I'm going to ever get the chance to wish someone sick but I hope you and your doctor have something to talk about on Friday...Good Luck!! :D

OK for excercise today I'm sure I'll be cleaning and rocking a very upset baby today (shots) and Lexi has a soccer game. But, oOOOoo guess what Doug bought me yesterday, guess, guess...A NEW BIKE--I haven't owned a bike since I was 10 and probably haven't been on one since then either except for the time I stole Koda's bike from him and rode it around the yard to show him how cool it really was (yes, we ended buying him a bigger and better bike lol).


Good luck everyone, heads up high

p.s. I kinda screwed up on the quoting everyone and am too lazy to fix it so hope ya'll can make sense of it.

you are soooo busted girl! no *way* can i let you get away with calling yourself lazy!!!


p.s. I kinda screwed up on the quoting everyone and am too lazy to fix it so hope ya'll can make sense of it.


how about, "... i need to make better use of my time elsewhere. and since you folks are so smart ( ;) ) i'm sure you'll make sense of it."

or, "hey look guys, a new game for y'all. match the appropriate comment to the quote it goes with." :D

or, "i kinda screwed up ... my cover is blown, before now y'all probably thought i was perfect." :p

(((hugs))) futs. be kind to yourself, or face my wrath. :eek:

btw, good job on not over-focusing on your good. i have just spent far too long trying to figure out how to make text turn red. :rolleyes: now i'll have to run instead of walk to school if i want to pick up my son on time. hey look, you got me to excercise! thanks futs, now i'm back on topic! heeheehee

I'm so mad right now I could spit nails...for once the doctor's office was on schedule so I already have my whole days agenda done. What am I supposed to do now? Well, I could clean, cook you know something really dumb and boring but my schedule is done, done, done, done and I even took the baby for a walk. AHH well such is life. :rolleyes:


I was not exactly calling myself lazy just merely stating a fact I could have fixed my post just really didn't care to take the time out of my busy posting schedule lmbo

RUN WHEEZIE RUN!! I'm so glad I've inspired someone to do something today...NOW the rest of you get off your butts and move it!! :p

hugs everyone of ya
Cherity

[QUOTE=Nucking_Futs]:eek: I'm so shocked that you would post that here of all places Chel....OOOOO wait....me too me too *grins like an alley cat* Yeah! for us. lmbo]



Why in the world are you shocked? Just because I usually spell sex with an *? (s*x) Or is it that I got some? :eek: Now I can't believe I said that.

Nothing to report I'm afraid, I haven't been sleeping well, my eating is eratic and I'm tired during the day, even if I stay up I'm not sleeping at night. Maybe it's my food? My lack of excercise? A wierd cycle? I don't know...I'll pick myself up shortly. Always one step forward, two steps back. sounds like you guys are doin' great...good for you!

Well I do not feel like quoting you all. I will make it a big group thing. Good job to all of you. futs keep us posted on the bike. Keep hanging in there Chel!

I rode in today and home last night in the dark. I do not push as hard when I cannot see. I did eat better yesterday and so far today. My bp was 114/84 at the drs office today :) That was good news. I hope to keep it there. No races of others lately.

Oh yeah I did not get to the group ride yet Futs!! I bet you forgot you asked the question.

NOPE I just got a little tired of being the only one riding your butt. But, since no one else has stepped up to bat. JIM!!!! get your buttsky in gear right now!!! (was that stern enough?)

Chel I never had a doubt in my mind that you'd get some...if I can surely anyone can lmbo.

Well, I'm not sure what I'll get accomplished today probably not as much as I'd like to. I really hurt last night it kept both Doug and I up all night not only was I having back spasms but also leg cramps and my arm kept going numb even after taking 2 Vicodin 5mg/500mg (tylenol) and 2 Baclofen 10mg. I had such a good day, it's just frustrating right now but I think I'm going to have to go in and get really intimidating this has been going on too long I think that we need to look at other options PT or something obviously the pills are not working and are made to mask the problem not cure it. So I've gotta get my backbone up or maybe I can talk Doug into going with me lol. I'm such a coward when it comes to me.

A great enthusiastic work out this morning. I attacked and won! I'm in need of a shower. I'm concentrating on breathing deeply to make sure I've got all the gas I can get to help roll this train along. I ate more lightly this morning.

Manon and Pierrette have begun to stack the split wood so there goes a big part of what would follow after it's all broken up. I'm not sure what to do after it's split and stacked. I'll have to have something in place shortly and it will have to see me through the winter. I am so tempted to try and run again, especially after debs comments. I loved running. But I can love anything almost. I was looking at a sports medicine book of mine about preparing over ten weeks I think it was, to dial the body slowly into the running game. I'd love it if I could remain healthy through it and that's always been the trick that's eluded me. I think I might have enough experience with going slowly now to tackle it. I'll be thinking and reading about it now. The small amount of equipment and preparation is really attractive to me.

I felt great today. I had a couple of days off where I didn't feel so well. The load is lifted now gratefully and I have a full day ahead.

Deb are you still here? How is your routine. It sounds so ambitious. I know you got there slowly but I can taste the vitality in your comments. Please stop by once in a while to say hi!

Jim your eating sounds like it's paying dividends! Yes! I go for a physical later this winter I think. I hope I'm ok.

Fut's I've not gotten back to you on the personal stuff simply because I wasn't encouraged by the tone. The fact that I'm frustrated by the repeated failure on my part to adapt and instead firmly insist on written notes on a calendar to ensure I can check times and places later when the inevitable lapses in memory occur, doesn't necessarily constitute "beating myself up". As with some other elements recently I think it's a question of a lack of being assertive enough to get the thing looked after.

As my confidence is rising regarding some of the things that make me happy and some that don't I feel this lack of assertiveness is shifting to better places. I hope it's a permenant shift. I don't expect you to have to suffer that complaint again.

Does an acknowledgement of negative behaviour on my part always qualify as a bad thing? Unless I get to know the things I want to change I can't very well hope to change them. I verbalise them so they are real to me. Stabile sometimes says some such thing and is it such a bad thing to own some of this stuff? Especially if I spend energy being angry at the world afterward for finding two cars at the destination when one would have done well enough. I don't mean to irritate you.

There are many things I have been able to change about myself and for years I kept a journal that resembled the type of writing we do here. Now I get your feedback as well as a vent, and am held accountable for my ideas.

I do see that I'm hard on myself and doubtless I have blind spots, but when I look around at my life, family and friends, I'm very grateful for who I am and what I've invested to be here. My youngest brother got all the money.. I got my share of the love. I'll take love over money any time, and frankly I think if he thought he had a choice so would he.

Maybe as I become more sensitive to my own well being I'll have a better sense of what you and wheezie are always on about. I'll try and get more positive self talk going and see if it shows up here. Thanks for the feedback.

And to the rest of the throng here.. GO!
ian

Well I have been doing good workouts but for some reason I have been eating everything in site. I made the big mistake of buying Halloween candy to hand out to kids - and of course it got open and now is almost gone. I know better! My hubby is a chocoholic and I don't even care for sweets that much but it seems every October I eat it because it is around and once I eat sugar I crave it so in a few weeks I will smarten up and kick the habit.

I took Monday off. Zoloft had been really bothering me so I made the switch from Zoloft back to Effexor XR and felt nauseaus so I didn't workout. Tuesday I had a session with a personal trainer at the gym, we did stuff on the core ball - such a great workout, especially if you tend to carry weight in the middle or if you need to strenghthen your back. The trainer kicked my *ss so I was sore today and just went for a 3 mile walk. Gorgeous in Maine right now, the leaves are all changing and it is beautiful.

Futs I hope you get that back thing worked out. When I wasn't on antidepressants I had horrible neck/back issues. Stiff necks all the time and pulled things in my back - I guess I carry all my stress there. That vicoden is so addictive - be careful with it, a good friend of mine had problems with it after surgery.

Ian I understand where you are coming from. It is so hard to start slowly but as you know it is the only way. Every January 2nd at my gym is gets so busy with people who made a resolution to get into shape. It is funny because they do to much cardio and lift weights that are way to heavy and then find that they can't walk for days. Of course by the middle of January the gym is back to the regulars plus 3 or 4 who knew to start out slowly and work their way up.

I do like to run but my knees prefer that I don't so I really have to mix it up and I don't love running on a treadmill an it gets very cold and snowy here so I don't do as much of it in the winter. My father is completely addicted to running, he would run about 40 miles a week, every night he would come home and we could never have dinner until he went for his run. Even when we travelled he had to run, there was a time that he was in Jamaica and went for a run, somehow he ended up with a man pointing a shotgun at him - turns out he was running near this man's pot field!!! He has had both knees operated on and isn't supposed to run anymore but last Thanksgiving we did a 5k road race together, as soon as the gun went off I was eating his dust. I entertained the idea of training for a marathon, I know he would be proud if one of his kids ran one, but honestly I get really bored after about 3 miles so I think I will leave that up to my brother or sister.

Have a good one!!

Deb

i'm sorry that i offended you Ian

Now where did I say I was offended Futs? I didn't say that at all and neither did I intend it. I often perceive your tone as somewhat aggressive and your opinions as black and white. This is the tone that took me some time to get around and get back to you with an open mind and heart.

I'm not only not offended but grateful you stick your neck out to try and help. Thank-you.

It's good to hear you are still standing Deb! Your trainer sounds like a troll... heehh I wouldn't mind having one myself really. Although it's been beneficial to get to know my own body a bit better. I seem to be somewhat more distant from an awareness of my needs emotionally or physically than I'd like. I'm glad to report tremendous progress on both fronts over the last year in particular.

Tonight for instance there is a movie playing in the city that I want to see and this is the second last night it's available. I'm going in on my own even though nobody else here wants to make the effort. This type of independence is so so good for me. The work-out is the same type of thing. It's for me, that's it that's all, that's everything.

Your Dad is full of beans! ehh what an example for us all.

Keep trying you all.
ian

Thanks for posting Deb. I think we all would like a trainer like that. I know I feel great after pushing myself really hard trying to keep up. I used to be a runner to. I actually have run fifteen marathons. I was not as dedicated as your father. I would skip days. I retired to biking.

Glad to see you have returned to form Ian!

Hope you back gets better soon Futs! I agree meds alone won't do the trick.



I had a good ride home last night and a good ride in today. There have not been as many folks out on the rode so I have not gotten to "race" anyone. I did pas 2 people on the hill today, but they were not that fast. I am looking at doing a long ride on Sunday. There is a group ride that meets at a reasonable hour. They ride a pretty good pace. This not certain yet, but seems like a possibility.

I ate good. The eating has helped my riding too. I am now down to 160. I will stop at 155 I think. I need to do some crunches and maybe I will have a 4 pack:D Good job everyone!

if anger is moving someone forward in a positive direction. if it is a catalyst for change. great!

however, if you are beating yourself up for having a bad week (and who hasn't had a bad week?). or your expectations are so high that you don't allow yourself a bad day or week now and again. if you feel *worse* because of the anger over an honest mistake. then you are in a danger zone.

"shoot. i got the time wrong, again! it is so frustrating to make the same mistake over and over. maybe i could try taping the schedule to the door so i see it on my way out of the house."
v.
"i can't believe i screwed up again! i am so angry at myself for screwing up so many times."

i am trying hard to look at the ways i mess up more objectively. i'm not sure how to keep anger from turning inward and doing damage. but, i do believe that anger at oneself can easily turn into self-loathing. "i am so angry for screwing up so many times." is just a short phrase away from, "i am a screw-up."

i think that when *i* get mad at myself, or frustrated. i slip a bit too easily towards over generalizing. so, i may think "we're late again! :mad: " but underneath, --:cue hypnotic music:-- deep in the subconscious, -- :stop music: are recriminations galore. "i'm always late, i can't even get my kid to school on time. i'm a terrible mom." (note: i also have a tendency toward being overly dramatic, but, that's not *necesarily* a bad thing. ;) )

so, if i'm projecting, i apologize. sometimes what we think is about "other" turns out to be about ourselves.

but, i do get a general sense for the times when you are down on yourself. at those times, i just want to give you a hug.

do cherity and i jump the gun a bit sometimes? probably. but it's only 'cause we like you. :D

and just to keep us on topic :rolleyes: ...

isn't it nice what excercise can do for your self-esteem? i am really proud of myself for making taking care of myself a priority. and i'm proud of all you for your efforts to do the same. that goes out to regular posters, occasional posters, and "readers" (taking an interest in taking care of yourself is a great first step).

lol, jim

what happened to the other two? did you drink them? eh he. :D

I need to do some crunches and maybe I will have a 4 pack:D Good job everyone!

Lately I would answer that yes :D

Got my workout out of the way early, I have an unexpected day off from work - yipee. I did 30 minutes on the elliptical, leg circuit (7 machines) and then abs.


Ian have you had a problem with not wanting to go places and do things alone? I am like that too although I have gotten much better. When my 1st husband and I split up I had a hard time being alone, especially because some nights my kids would be with him and I wasn't used to it. Now I have found that I really like my time to myself, my husband went away a few weeks ago and my kids were at their Dad's house for 2 nights and I had the time completely to myself. I had friends calling asking if I wanted to go out since I was home alone - they didn't understand how much I looked forward to just being alone. I wouldn't have considered doing alot of things alone before, I even hated walking into a bar to meet a friend alone, and the thought of them not being there yet and having to wait alone really bothered me, but I am getting so much better now. Funny thing is I can so pull it off, people are always so surprised that I am nervous or uncomfortable in those situations. My friends all think I am so laid back but they don't know that inside I am a million miles a minute..Hope the show was good last night.

Jim - wow 15 marathons is a great acheivment. My father spends time on a bike now too since he isn't supposed to run, he also goes and swims laps too. He has to be getting his energy out I guess. When I told my parents that I was diagnosed with ADD they just said "of course you were" everyone seemed to know except me, took me 37 years to figure it out, but my dad told me that he thinks he probably has it too, except for the "having to be moving" part I don't see it in him, he seems to have his sh*t together.

I believe that wheezie said it all. I was posting on meds and short on time which often proves dangerous for me and those who are forced to read my posts. I may have read more into your tone than needed. That is what I'm sorry for but won't apologize for caring enough or being stupid enough to step out on a limb when I thought I saw self-destructive behaviour. I do it because I, myself am often the last to know when I'm in a dangerous cycle of self-destruction.

While we are at it. Jim, I get on you about the group rides not to shame or embarrass you in a public format. It just seem's to be something that is so important to you and something you'd really like to get accomplished and yet you find the smallest reason's not to achieve that goal. I am often doing to this to myself as well so I have no reason to talk.

With that said I have taken my own advice. I've stopped taking the muscle relaxers and pain meds (they do no good anyways) and have made a appointment with a new doctor who I have already discussed my case with over the phone and agree's that meds are only masking my back injury and doing nothing to fix the issue. I also decided that if I do nothing and have to live with pain I may as well do something I enjoy and live with the pain, so this morning (after the fugitives were caught :eek: ) Garrett and I went for a slow mile walk. It's not as much as I am used to but it's better then sitting at home looking at a computer screen.

Later, today when Doug gets home we will be going over to the neighbors who have been in an awful car accident and stuck recovering in a nearby hospital. They have no family nearby and are new to the community and have had to rebuild their lawn from dirt to the beautiful lushness it is now. They have many plants that need covering and taken inside for them before they are destroyed by the stange bout of weather we are going thru. And yes I remembered to ask if it was all right. :D

biking I doubt I could do one crunch, so I'm very impressed. Debs I am alway's amazed at your energy and can feel vitality oozing from your post's that leave me wanting to jump up and attack the world. Ian, I have alway's admired your honesty, drive for success at anything you do and your never quit attitude. Like I said honesty is alway's the best policy and I thank you for giving that to me even when I didn't want to hear it. wheezie I just want to say thanks!

Cherity

Hamster are you going to jump in here and test the waters? This is not an exclusive club or sub sect that is only open to any one particular style of degree of success in working out. Please join us and get started as we are in enjoying the benefits this lifestyle has to offer the ADHD types and anyone else really..

Deb it's like I've been dead for the time I was immersed in a 12 step program. I doubted myself and became very submissive to all things self indulgent. It was a bit of throwing out the baby with the bath water. With the meds and lots of help from people here I've begun to find some balance and going to see a quirky little independent film on a week night that takes a three hour round trip is now possible. I suppose the extra energy from work-outs isn't hurting the energy levels.

Coffee and Cigarettes
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379217/

Check out the cast list.. I howled.. some of it was very funny..

Saturday night we are taking the girls to see a favourtie of Pierrette's and mine. Live music in small venues.. my fave! Want to come? heh
http://www.wecc.ca/site/perfs/garnet_rogers.html

I was surprise to hear you comments about nobody cluing into your discomfort in social situations. I've never known anyone like me before that had that trait. I appear competent to others but internally things are a bit ramped up to say the least. The dex has helped with this though. I took an extra dose when headed to a pig roast later in the day a while back and was much calmer.

I'm at home alone almost every day. Pierrette is becoming resentful and regards it as the luxury it is. She's working hard at getting beyond her anger. The past two weeks she's taken to comming back to bed just before heading out the door to snuggle me good morning. It's a great way to start the day and has provided me with a positive platform to begin the cycles that rule my life.

Many other things are cropping up in the same style. Things that have been dormant for years are coming alive. I'm seeking out music that's sparked my interest. I'm learning new songs on the guitar. The crisis just now is trying to decide what I want to do with the rest of my life. I had said I was going to take this year to think about it and now the year is up and I still don't have a clear sense of what I want to be doing with my days. The choices are endless but time isn't! I'm not ben