Heya folks..I was just browsing through our section on co-existing conditions and I was thinking.....

We don't really have a section on personality disorders....and being someone who is recovering (managing/coping, etc) from Borderline Personality Disorder, I think it would be an interesting section to add, not only for people with the various Pers. Disorders, but for other folks to read too to gain insight that might help them out.

I'd be totally willing to Mod this section, and I have GOBS of stuff I could post to help others.

Whaddyathink ;) (this is where I wish I had the thinking/scratching chin smiley that yahoo does heheh)

I voted for I don't care. Since, I don't have multiple personality disorder I would have no understanding of the condition NOT that I wouldn't TRY and understand and offer empathy and support were I could but definatly would not want to moderate that section. But, I do think it would be a good idea since I hear of so many other ADD'ers who do have PD's. So, OK now why did I voted for don't care? sheesh OK try again...good idea but don't wanna moderate it. hope that clarifies.

lol Futs, NOT multiple personality disorder...but borderline..COMPLETELY different. :P

SEE what I mean...I'll do my honest best to learn and understand...I'm a certified card bearing member of my local library and I can read too. Just think someone else should moderate it...like YOU!

Cooleramus......The More the Merrier....More people we can help the better;)

Hmmm...well I PMed Big and Tara about this, but no response yet.

AH! I think I'll move this thread to site suggestions to get others ideas on this...like a dope on a rope I put it here and put the poll without thinking that only a few would see it...doh! ADDooting again :p

NObody is perfect and I think the hardest part is remembering Big and Tara have a life outside the forums as well as us. I don't know why they would possibly want one but I'm pretty sure they do lol.

hugs.

Who has time to have a life?

OK, I could be hallucinating again (highly likely :) ) but I could have SWORN I saw a thread on BDP. It runs with ADD, especially here in NYC. (I'm rhyming too much. Long day.)

I will search again.

OK, I checked - Jamie, you think it belongs separately from Conduct Disorders?

I would like to see a forum for ADHD and Bi-Polar, I have been noticing a few others here like me, and would be nice to have a place to locate them, instead of chance meetings once in a while.

well, holy mcdootle

First of all, I didn't bother to look under the conduct disorder section because in accordance with DSM, they are under a totally different classification....so yes, it SHOULD be separate, IMHO. Personality Disorder doesn't always = conduct disorder.

Then again, I also see that they have the various sections for similar conditions (i.e. anxiety, GAD, Panic disorder, social anxiety disorder)...these were given proper classification....so I don't see why personality disorders should be lopped in with conduct disorders.

Is this the reason why the admindoots never responded to my request? heh

NightStar......I would like to see a forum for ADHD and Bi-Polar, I have been noticing a few others here like me, and would be nice to have a place to locate them, instead of chance meetings once in a while.LOL there is! http://www.addforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=55

Thanks you thank you thank you > found my new home! :-)

No problemo :D See I can be nice when I want to :p

You may want to put this in:

http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=75727#post75727

hmmm I think that post is in the right place....it's placed under the websites area under resources and tools. ;) lol anyway dat's MellyMoots area I think heh

If you guys can find some stats on how common it is for Personality Disorders to Co-exist with ADD that would be helpful.

Well now! I found some definitions of BPD, and it sorta sounds like me too, maybe I will need to do some more reading... but at least now I can answer the poll!

Definitions of Borderline Personality Disorder on the Web:

A pervasive pattern of instability of interpersonal relationships, self-image, and affects, and marked impulsivity beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts.
access.autistics.org/resources/glossary/main.html

characterized by unstable relationships, self-image and mood.
www.mindful-things.com/Glossary/glossary_b.html

A mental disorder in which the individual has manifested unstable moods, relationships with others, and self-perceptions chronically since adolescence or childhood.
lms.thomsonelearning.com/hbcp/glossary/glossary.taf

A disorder marked, primarily, by a fear of being abandoned and alone. People with this disorder tend to have a series of very intense and unstable personal relationships. They often use manipulation, promiscuous behavior, or self-destructive behavior to avoid being alone. This condition is very hard to treat.
www.rcep7.org/orient/orient/refrnc/gloss/gloss_ab.htm

A disorder in which individuals have difficulty developing a secure sense of who they are
highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0072494263/student_view0/chapter12/glossary.html

Hmmm let me see....

http://www.angelfire.com/ego/narcissism/comor.html some info here on narcissistic personality disorder and ADHD

http://www.bpdcentral.com/resources/basics/main.shtml "...There is no "pure" BPD; it coexists with other illnesses. These are the most common. BPD may coexist with:
Post traumatic stress disorder, Mood disorders, Panic/anxiety disorders, Substance abuse (54% of BPs also have a problem with substance abuse), Gender identity disorder, Attention deficit disorder, Eating disorders, Multiple personality disorder, Obsessive-compulsive disorder"

http://www.physics.usyd.edu.au/~drowe/research/theoretical/personality.html
"...Unstable or erratic parenting and the presence of ADHD may increase the likelihood that a conduct disorder will develop into Antisocial Personality Disorder."
"...Eating disorders (particularly Bulimia), Posttraumatic Stress Disorder, ADHD, and other Personality Disorders are also found to frequently occur with Borderline Personality Disorder."

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6VM1-4BT1X2C-4&_coverDate=04%2F30%2F2004&_alid=174585619&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_qd=1&_cdi=6137&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=d1f10d8ccc2a9839aa1149071ab68881&1=y
"The specificity of clinical characteristics in adults with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder: a comparison with patients with borderline personality disorder

J. H. Dowson, , a, A. McLeana, E. Bazanisa, B. Tooneb, S. Youngc, T. W. Robbinsd and B. Sahakiana

a Department of Psychiatry, Box 189, Addenbrooke's Hospital, Cambridge University, Cambridge CB2 2QQ, UK
b Department of Psychological Medicine, Kings College Hospital, London, UK
c Department of Psychology, Institute of Psychiatry, London, UK
d Department of Experimental Psychology, Cambridge University, Cambridge CB2 2QQ, UK

Received 20 February 2003; Revised 28 July 2003; accepted 28 July 2003. Available online 26 February 2004.
Abstract
Characteristics of DSM-IV attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in adults can also be found as part of other psychiatric disorders. This study investigated the specificity of adult ADHD features in relation to patients with borderline personality disorder (BPD), a syndrome which shares some of its intrinsic features with ADHD and often co-occurs with ADHD. A group of 20 adult patients selected on the basis of a diagnosis of ADHD and 20 patients selected on the basis of a diagnosis of BPD were assessed by the self-report Attention Deficit Scales for Adults (ADSA). The two groups were matched for age, verbal IQ and gender. Of the nine ADSA scales, seven showed significant inter-group differences, in particular involving attention, organisation and persistence. The ‘Consistency/Long-Term' scale, which mainly reflects impaired task and goal persistence, was the best discriminator between the groups. Furthermore, ratings on this scale correlated significantly with the error score of a computer-administered task of spatial working memory, the performance of which has been reported to be impaired in patients with ADHD. The results provide further validation for the ADSA scales and support a previous claim that ‘long-term consistencies', i.e., related to task and goal persistence, is ‘the centrepiece behavioural issue' for adults with ADHD.

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/252644699v1

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12216012&dopt=Abstract
History of childhood attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder symptoms and borderline personality disorder: a controlled study.

Fossati A, Novella L, Donati D, Donini M, Maffei C.

San Raffaele Vita-Salute University, Faculty of Psychology, Milano, Italy.

To evaluate the association between history of childhood attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) symptoms and the diagnosis of borderline personality disorder (BPD) in adulthood, the Wender Utah Rating Scale (WURS) was administered to 42 consecutively admitted BPD subjects, 94 consecutively admitted controls with any cluster B personality disorder (PD) diagnosis other than BPD, 38 consecutively admitted controls with any cluster A or cluster C PD diagnosis but no cluster B PD diagnosis, and 69 consecutively admitted controls with no PD diagnosis. A fourth control group was composed by 201 nonclinical volunteers. According to Dunn-Bonferroni contrasts, BPD subjects showed a significantly higher mean WURS total score compared to all control groups (minimum t = 7.93, maximum t = 11.63, all Ps <.001). These contrasts remained significant even controlling for potential confounders such as antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) diagnosis, gender, inpatient status, and axis I diagnoses. The results of this study seem to support the hypothesis of an association between history of childhood ADHD symptoms and adult BPD diagnosis. Copyright 2002, Elsevier Science (USA). All rights reserved.

PMID: 12216012 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/148/5/564



Um this is what I found before I started to yawn like mad :p

lol...here's my part....sounds like a good idea to me...lol

I'd love to learn more about it.

Who has time to have a life?

*Raises Hand* Meeee On Social Security I have time to make time for time in therapy!:D

Well my mom has Borderline Personality Disorder and I honestly believe she has ADHD, so there's one stat for you. :)

Personally I'm starting to believe they go hand-in-hand. MANY of the adult children I've met who had BP mothers also have ADHD. And if ADHD is mostly heritable I would say that suggests that the BPs probably had it too, which is logical considering most BPs were abused and many ADHD children are more susceptible to abuse.