View Full Version : Not a "cure" but a HUGE HELP in combatting Inattentive/SCT ADD.


MyAchillesheel
11-04-10, 08:29 PM
DO NOT BLOW THIS OFF IF YOU HAVE INATTENTIVE ADD OR SCT!!!!

READ THIS POST IN ITS ENTIRETY. I FULLY BELIEVE BASED ON MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND THAT OF MY MOTHER AND SISTER THAT ADRENAL FATIGUE IS A HUGE FACTOR IN THE SYMPTOMS OF INATTENTIVE ADD AND SCT. IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A POSSIBLE SOLUTION TO HELP YOU COMBAT THIS FORM OF ADD READ THIS POST.

I like most of you know what it's like to battle this god awful version of ADD: Better known as Inattentive ADD and/or Sluggish Cognitive Tempo.

We are all familiar with the challenges but I am willing to bet that most of you may not be aware that you may also have a problem called "adrenal fatigue" (or weak adrenal glands due to genetics) and/or a weak thyroid which is possibly causing the issue or making the treatment of ADD even MORE DIFFICULT.

HOW MANY OF YOU TAKE YOUR MEDS AND THEY DON'T WORK?

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE INCREASED THE DOSE BUT THAT DOESN'T HELP EITHER?

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE QUIT TAKING YOUR MEDS IN FRUSTRATION BECAUSE OF "HIT AND MISS"?

HOW MANY OF YOU FEEL LIKE THROWING IN THE TOWEL BECAUSE YOU DON'T THINK YOU WILL EVER GET BETTER?

There is way to much ground to cover.... BUT my point is that you should all get a saliva test to find out if you have an adrenal gland problem and a blood test to see if your thyroid is functioning properly. Contact your primary care physician for these tests.

WHY?
Your adrenal glands are responsible for energy, cognitive function, sense of well being, and a whole list of other things I don't have time to go into. You can research the adrenal fatigue and adrenal glands further through www.google.com as well as the sources I have cited below.

Your thyroid works hand in hand with the adrenal glands which is why you also need to have it tested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenal_glands
www.wikipedia.org

If your adrenal glands are weak due to genetic factors or something that happened to you as a child (illness) or as an adult (illness/stress) this can lead to the diagnosis of Inattentive ADD and/or SCT.

I am NOT proposing you DO NOT have ADD but what I am proposing is that weak adrenal glands and a poor functioning thyroid can aggravate the symptoms of Inattentive/SCT ADD or masquerade as Inattentive/SCT ADD.

If your head is clouded and foggy and you are generally fatigued with a lack of motivation as well as depression..... these are all tied into adrenal fatigue as well as a poor functioning thyroid. In addition, if your stimulant medication no longer works or you are taking way more than you used to and you are still in terrible shape you may have these issues.

Why am I telling you this?
I am telling you this because I want to help save you years of fatigue and frustration in the hope you actually do have adrenal fatigue. If you do have it the solution is simple: You take oral doses of Hydrocrotisone or Cortef to strengthen the adrenal glands and when you do that guess what? You have energy, you feel better, you are more alert, you are more upbeat and energetic. Your mind is clearer and the headfog GOES AWAY.

BUT it is a process and it will take time.
However most patient like myself get immediate relief within the week when starting oral hydrocortisone or Cortef.

I know because I have been taking Hydrocortisone for the past 14 months and all i can say is I am getting better month after month. I still need to take ritalin or adderall BUT not as much as I used to and I take it far less often than I did.

My energy, sense of well being, motivation, and drive are back to where they were 10 year ago, but it is a process and you may find you have other issues as well such as hormone related problems.

PLEASE, I BEG YOU TO TAKE THE TIME TO RESEARCH THIS FURTHER IN THE HOPE YOU CAN HELP YOURSELF. THE BEST DOCTOR IS YOU!! ONLY YOU KNOW HOW YOU FEEL AND ONLY YOU HAVE THE TIME TO RESEARCH ALL OF THIS. YOUR DOCTOR DOES NOT HAVE THE TIME TO DO IT FOR YOU. ONLY YOU DO. DOCTOR YOURSELF AND LET THE HEALING BEGIN.

Books on the subject of Adrenal Fatigue:
James L. Wilson, Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome at www.amazon.com

Dr. William MCK Jefferies: Safe Uses of Cortisol

Another excellent resource for information is Dr. Jacob Teitelbaum at www.Endfatigue.com

Adrenal Fatigue and weak adrenal glands have been commented extensively by this Psychiatrist: Dr. Charles Parker at www.corepsych.com
You will have to research his site quite a bit to find the information though.

I WILL ADDRESS QUESTIONS OVER THE NEXT WEEK REGARDING THIS SUBJECT BECAUSE THE TOPIC IS SO BROAD. :)

bof00
11-04-10, 09:32 PM
I agree. I've been researching this. This should be checked. I need to have a test done. I should be getting some adrenal support pills I ordered any day now.

Adrenal fatigue is not a widely accepted diagnosis, but everyone does acknowledge it. Your adrenals need certain minerals to function properly. Adrenals are what give you your energy throughout the day. Caffeine can fatigue them too. They are replenished from 10pm-1pm for everyone, so if your not sleeping during that time, it can take a toll on them also. I read it can take 2 years to fully refresh them, but you can get there quicker with hydrocortisone or DHEA. Adrenal exhaustion can also cause you to wake up repeatedly throughout the night, which makes it worse. I will normally wake up 8 times a night, but when eatting some fruit before going to sleep I only wake up once, because I'm giving my body the glucose normally supplied by the adrenals.

Schroeder
11-04-10, 10:14 PM
I agree. I've been researching this. This should be checked. I need to have a test done. I should be getting some adrenal support pills I ordered any day now.

Adrenal fatigue is not a widely accepted diagnosis, but everyone does acknowledge it. Your adrenals need certain minerals to function properly. Adrenals are what give you your energy throughout the day. Caffeine can fatigue them too. They are replenished from 10pm-1pm for everyone, so if your not sleeping during that time, it can take a toll on them also. I read it can take 2 years to fully refresh them, but you can get there quicker with hydrocortisone or DHEA. Adrenal exhaustion can also cause you to wake up repeatedly throughout the night, which makes it worse. I will normally wake up 8 times a night, but when eatting some fruit before going to sleep I only wake up once, because I'm giving my body the glucose normally supplied by the adrenals.

Yeah, a lot of my own research has pointed to adrenal fatigue as well.

For me - so far - the two biggest things have been (1) super early bedtime (8:00pm, so I can fall asleep in time for my ~8:30pm sleep window), and (2) going 100% completely off preservatives. Going to bed early got rid of being tired, and going off preservatives got rid of being fatigued (two different things! haha). But still, I don't have the energy that most people have. I think we all just have a whacked-out chemical balance.

Trooper Keith
11-04-10, 10:20 PM
This is a stupid thread.

Abi
11-04-10, 10:41 PM
LOL@KMiller

While you're in the mood, check out back 2the genome in science :)

MyAchillesheel
11-05-10, 03:06 PM
Thank you to those who chose to post their childish negative feedback. Next time go research the data before making your comments. All you did was make yourself look foolish. This thread is clearly not for you.

This thread was posted for those who suffer from the Inattentive and SCT form of ADD who are looking for other possible solutions to help them function better.

This is a small group audience who needs more help in treating their condition since it appears to be a more challenging condition.

Without a doubt if you have adrenal fatigue and or a Thyroid problem it doesn't matter what or how much of these medications, stimulants, or anti depressants you take... none will work properly.

Why? Because your body can't process the medication properly when it is already broken down. I can't even begin to enumerate how important a well functioning adrenal gland and thyroid are to your well being.

It has been well documented (and I have provided you with numerous sources) to follow up and investigate on your own to see if you suffer from these conditions.

The adrenal fatigue and low/poor functioning thyroid conditions have been commented on by numerous physicians as one of the most common ailments rarely tested for.

How often does your GP test their patients for these conditions when you are given an annual physical? Almost never.

How often does a Psychiatrist test for these issues? Almost never unless you have a great doctor.

Even specialists in the field of endocrinology overlook theses issues when patients are referred to them.

My point is this: If you have Inattentive or SCT ADD you must test to see if the adrenal glands and thyroid are functioning properly are contributing and/or exasperating your problem.

It has been well documented that people suffering from depression as well as numerous other conditions have an adrenal and/or thyroid problem.

In addition, one of the first things good physicians now do when treating someone who is "bi-polar" is to test their thyroid to see if it is functioning properly. What they have found is those patients who were considered "bi-polar" had a severe thyroid imbalance and once treated properly with thyroid medication they were normal.

This thread and post were meant to educate and inform those suffering from Inattentive ADD and SCT to explore these other avenues.

If this thread and post help only ONE person then I have done my job. If it helps 100 people then it has exceeded my expectations.

For those of you who have nothing better to do other than post wimpy remarks; Keep it up, because it only makes you look more foolish every day.

Trooper Keith
11-05-10, 03:20 PM
Poor thyroid function is always tested for in a BMP, and adrenal fatigue is a made up fairy condition. More comprehensive reply when I'm on my desktop.

Trooper Keith
11-05-10, 03:47 PM
:sigh: Okay let's do this ****.


Thank you to those who chose to post their childish negative feedback. Next time go research the data before making your comments. All you did was make yourself look foolish. This thread is clearly not for you.

I didn't make myself look nearly as foolish as the guy who posted a thread half in all caps about a condition that's defined only in alternative medicine.

This thread was posted for those who suffer from the Inattentive and SCT form of ADD who are looking for other possible solutions to help them function better.

If a person has hypo- or hyperthyroidism, and it is the cause of their ADHD symptoms, they don't actually have ADHD at all.

This is a small group audience who needs more help in treating their condition since it appears to be a more challenging condition.

Hypo- and hyperthyroidism are not "more challenging conditions." They're slightly more difficult to manage because levothyroxine has such a narrow therapeutic margin, so the dose has to be just right, but they really aren't that hard to work with. They're also pretty common.

Without a doubt if you have adrenal fatigue and or a Thyroid problem it doesn't matter what or how much of these medications, stimulants, or anti depressants you take... none will work properly.

No, thyroid problems do require different treatment, you're right. Adrenal fatigue, however, is a made up condition. It doesn't exist in any of the standard medical literature. It is solely in the field of "alternative medicine" and really is bunk. We've been over this a few times before.

The saliva tests are snake oil.

Why? Because your body can't process the medication properly when it is already broken down. I can't even begin to enumerate how important a well functioning adrenal gland and thyroid are to your well being.

A properly functioning thyroid is very important to one's wellbeing, I agree. Adrenal dysfunction, however, such as Addison's disease, is very rare. And it can only be diagnosed by a Comprehensive Metabolic Panel.

It has been well documented (and I have provided you with numerous sources) to follow up and investigate on your own to see if you suffer from these conditions.

You provided us with a link to wikipedia about an organ that you clearly don't understand, and then you provided reference books for snake oil salesmen.

The adrenal fatigue and low/poor functioning thyroid conditions have been commented on by numerous physicians as one of the most common ailments rarely tested for.

Most physicians that have commented on "adrenal fatigue" have commented to the tune of "this **** doesn't exist."

Quit conflating your made up condition with the very real thyroid condition. It's not fair because it makes arguing with you pretty challenging. I'll clarify something:

Adrenal fatigue: Fiction.
Thyroid dysfunction (hypo- or hyperthyroidism): Fact.

That your OP only mentioned adrenal fatigue tells me you're trying to force me into equivocation by bringing up thyroid dysfunctions.

How often does your GP test their patients for these conditions when you are given an annual physical? Almost never. [/quite]

Physicals aren't supposed to diagnose complicated internal disorders, they're meant to assess whether or not those disorders are manifesting symptoms in order to then look further into those symptoms. Did you really think that a guy checking your BP and cupping your balls was meant to diagnose every possible condition?

[quote]How often does a Psychiatrist test for these issues? Almost never unless you have a great doctor.

Any psychiatrist worth his or her scratch will have a basic metabolic panel run if the patient is presenting with primary symptoms of a thyroid condition.

They will rarely have a comprehensive metabolic panel run on the very unlikely chance that the person is presenting with something like Addison's disease, and then they will refer you out.

They will never use a saliva test for adrenal fatigue because it isn't a real thing.

Even specialists in the field of endocrinology overlook theses issues when patients are referred to them.

I really don't think an endocrinologist would overlook something so common as thyroid disorder. Of course, they would overlook adrenal fatigue, because it's not real.

My point is this: If you have Inattentive or SCT ADD you must test to see if the adrenal glands and thyroid are functioning properly are contributing and/or exasperating your problem.

Physical causes rule out ADHD. If the person has a dysfunctional thyroid, they don't have ADHD, they have hypo- or hyperthyroidism.

It has been well documented that people suffering from depression as well as numerous other conditions have an adrenal and/or thyroid problem.

Here you go conflating fact and fiction again.

In addition, one of the first things good physicians now do when treating someone who is "bi-polar" is to test their thyroid to see if it is functioning properly. What they have found is those patients who were considered "bi-polar" had a severe thyroid imbalance and once treated properly with thyroid medication they were normal.

Yes, they test for thyroid function. Not adrenal function, because adrenal fatigue is not real.

This thread and post were meant to educate and inform those suffering from Inattentive ADD and SCT to explore these other avenues.

I encourage anyone presenting with primary symptoms of thyroid problems to seek those out. I caution everyone to avoid snake oil salesmen.

If this thread and post help only ONE person then I have done my job. If it helps 100 people then it has exceeded my expectations.

How noble. I ask myself, "which of the doctors in the OP paid the OP to post this thread?"

For those of you who have nothing better to do other than post wimpy remarks; Keep it up, because it only makes you look more foolish every day.

Not nearly as foolish as the guy promoting a made up disorder.

mechnik
11-05-10, 04:33 PM
exacerbating your problem.


Great topic. Thank you for mentioning it.
I had an adrenal panel done awhile back and will review the results to check my cortisol levels.
I was concerned about using hydrocortisone because glucocorticosteroids in general are known immunosuppressive agents. Apparently, hydrocortisone formulations are safe because they function within your body's physiological limits.
There are also licorice extract, Siberian ginseng, B5 vitamin, etc...
Thank you again.

jonny87
11-17-10, 06:53 PM
I have to comment on this thread.

I have ADHD-PI/SCT and also have hypothyroidism.

Before i was diagnosed with ADHD I spent years being tired for no reason and then I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism, so thought that this would be the end of my tired days. it was not unfortunately.

Then I found a site called stopthethyroidmadness.com and thought that what they were talking about MUST be the reason why i am so tired all the time etc.

i spent almost two years trying different doses of Armour thyroid instead of the conventional treatment of levothyroxine, took adrenal glandulars (pills made from ground bovine adrenal glands), and eventually took hydrocortisone for about 10 months. None of this helped, and it was a dangerous thing to do.

There is a reason why almost non of the medical establishment agree with this approach. There is NO evidence to support it..for using hydrocortisone to help the adrenal glands or to use Armour thyroid, which contains not just T4 but also T3 and perhaps T1 and T2.

Whist on this protocol, I felt at times that the Armour was making me feel better. But this was just placebo or even the extra thyroid hormones which can make people feel better. My blood results of thyroid hormones were high and I did feel a bit better but only marginally.

The hydrocortisone made me feel strange, sometimes euphoric, sometimes completely nervous and anxious.

Overall I recommend that people stay away from this protocol until/unless evidence comes out to support it.

BTW the book "Dr. William MCK Jefferies: Safe Uses of Cortisol " is about 40 years old and current views should take precedence over old ones.

Also, Dr James Wilson and Dr Teilebaum at endfatigue.com sell their own alternative supplements as treatment, all of which have no evidence to support them.

Again, these treatments have had enough time on the market to be recognised and used by the conventional medical practice if they did actually work. But they have not been recognised as a working treatment...

I appreciate you intention to help, Myachillesheal, and I too believed in all this at one time, but seeing as it didnt work for me, there is no evidence to support it and the whole conventional medical establishment are against such practice (except a handful of "doctors") I would have to disagree with you unless evidence comes out to support it.


Jonny

jonny87
11-18-10, 09:08 AM
That said, definately make sure you get your bloods like thyroid checked by the doctor if you feel tired all the time etc.

Mignon
11-19-10, 03:47 PM
Man, further confirmation that I was right to walk out on my ("my") joker psychiatrist and work with my current physician instead; the second thing he did was draw blood to look at my thyroid values (and a bunch of other things). Nothing out of range, but I'm glad I'm with my current doc.

bumpey
11-20-10, 12:45 PM
MyAchilleseheal, what are your qualifications? also writeing in capitals isn't easy to read either, and i think the eqivalent of shouting? theres many other conitions, not just adrenal/thyriod and theres threads on it. Being a forum, people will say what they think, just the way it is realy.

I'v just looked up adrenal thingy, i don't know any one who doesn't have some of the symtoms, and theres probably thousands of possible causes, but theres a huge market for treatment. Medicine is'nt an exact science, and don't think anyones geneticaly perfect.

ChaoticZen
01-14-11, 05:23 PM
The OP sounded like a sales pitch.

cillianred
04-12-12, 09:53 AM
Inattentive types exhibit higher cortisol responses to stressful situations than their hyperactive counterparts:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19294447

Yes, steroid hormones are, more or less, made to order. That said, as part of our fight-or-flight response, they weren't meant to be consistently released for a prolonged period of time. You place undue stress on any organ/system for a prolonged period of time, sooner or later it's not going to function as well as it used to.

Yes, adrenal fatigue is vague and often hard to diagnose. One could say the exact same thing for ADHD.

But given how so many of us Inattentives experience so many related symptoms, e.g. can't wake up in the morning, can't get to sleep at night, metabolic issues should always be explored, perhaps beyond traditional measurements. Otherwise, the problem is not addressed or worse, the patient is given medications that could make the problem exponentially worse.

ADHD exists, no question in my mind. And its medications have a strong history of success. That said, underlying metabolic issues will make the condition much worse, especially hypoadrenalism, given the HPA axis' role in producing neuroendrocine hormones.

Spacemaster
04-12-12, 11:58 AM
Whether or not one can give credit to the OP, just saying "This thread is stupid" isn't very constructive. I'm glad that individual posted later on, further explaining why. I've gotten negative rep for calling someone's post "stupid". So the type in the OP was a mix of capitals and lowercase, so the info may not exactly have been totally correct, but no need to make the OP feel like a stupid ***hole. Maybe they were just trying to help, and MAYBE this is the "bullying" on this forum that is being referred to.

Educate the OP, but for god's sake, don't shoot them down and make them feel like an idiot for posting something they probably genuinely thought would help. This is a place to learn, and simply re-educating would have been the way to go.

I think this post would possibly help those that self-diagnose their ADD without going to the doctor. A thyroid test would be cheaper than going through the barrage of AD/HD testing and psych visits, eh?

All I am saying, is the proper response would be, "I think you are trying to help, but here is where you are misinformed:"