Reality in false perspective
 

We have all been lost and don't know why we are taking medications that we don't need. The reality is that we have been lied to for over 2000 years about what it is we need by so-called people "practicing medicine". Now these practitioners only know what they are told by the pharmaceutical reps that are educated by the companies they serve. An addictive substance for social use is the best revenue builder any company could ever wish for. It is a perpetual revenue stream as long as the rule makers fall in-line. American society is addicted to dealing with there contrived reality through medication...instead of finding out what the true cause of this disparity in our world is. And it is simple. I sincerely hope all of you can find the truth in this market and understand you are simply a victim of a society that has been lying to you since you were born, and the middle class of this world is blind to the intentions of money. I wish you all the best of luck, but we are going to see our lack of conviction and laziness consume us if we just sit here typing all our problems instead of doing something about it. We are not weak, just blind to the truth of all our strength.

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Uh huh.

Are you going to show us all the way, O Enlightened One?

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Well I'm in Australia so it probably doesn't apply to me.

There's this thing called a brain and this area called the frontal lobes, when it ain't working right it causes problems in attention, motivation, working memory, impulse control and social skills.
When that happens you're often behind a lot of people without this problem. This current evolution of humanity relies on the frontal lobes to be fully functioning and this society constantly likes to test that. Juggling tasks, the need for good social skills to even get a job, so much information everywhere making it even harder to not get distracted by it.

Ignoring all the hyperactivity and lacks focus stuff you're fed from the media, ADHD interferes with every aspect of your life. Look at the symptoms rather than the label. Are you going to tell me autism doesn't exist? Think about how you will answer that very carefully. If you can believe in autism, AS, dyslexia, Bipolar, dyspraxia - then why not ADHD? The acquired form of ADHD is from a traumatic brain injury. Does that tell you anything?

My life before my diagnosis was slow, fatigued, forgetful, impulsive, self loathing, one extreme meltdown after the other, not to mention somewhat suicidal. Since my diagnosis and medication I'm pretty much the opposite of that.
I love my medication. Love it. I love that it makes me read when I want to, not when I have to wait for my brain to slow the f**k down or wake up so it can focus. I love that I can write more descriptively for hours. I love how it makes me want to actually talk to people, how it makes me not even think about how boring long a task will take and just do it. What else? Oh, a far better memory. I can stick to my very long art projects too.

I thank those greedy liars for lying to me. They saved my life and showed me the life I always wanted to live wasn't impossible to reach.

And now, I have chores to do. Thanks meds!

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Before the big bad pharma was around adhd and its drugs were studied for years. How would you recommend we deal with adhd, a magic wand? potions? the power of positive thinking?

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Yes many meds are overprescribed. However sometimes people need medicine, and when you need it you go to the doctor and hopefully get it. Not every Medical condition can be thought away via the power of positive thinnking.

I have Asthma, I can't think my way out of an Asthma attack but with medication I have learned how to prevent having Asthma attacks. Believe me the inhaler I use is not some placebo effect that I was fooled into using by some quack. I'm pretty aware of whether or not I can breathe, it's not something I can ignore.

Show me a business that isn't motivated by money, there will always be businesses that take advantage of their customers. But their will always be businesses that are honest too. There are definitely flaws in the system but their are still plenty of good doctors who won't rx pills that aren't needed.

ADHD is real, I didn't know how real till I was diagnosed with it. I need my Ritalin at this point in time. Yes there is corruption within the system and money is the motivation. There are also people whose lives are vastly improved and sometimes saved by the medications which the system produces.

It's not a black and white issue. We aren't all brain washed, in the case of many ADHD'ers we are able to see the big picture more clearly as a result of our meds. We can also do our part to help change what we see as wrong more effectively because of our meds.

We are not weak, and we definitely aren't blind. Especially Adults with ADHD. Many doctors would rather us just take the med of the month and not have to worry about prescribing a schedule 2 substance. Often times we have to fight harder and do more research than the average patient to get effective treatment. It's hardly mindless. We wouldn't go through the trouble if we didn't get a tangible benefit from the medication.

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So the simple question is how do you suggest we "naturally" fix this condition? My problem is not just an "oh I feel down and no energy let me go get some pills" it was caused by a pocket of fluid on the brain that caused that part of the brain not to develop correctly. The fluid has since been drained and I am 100% fine in that area, but the damage was already done.

From what I read here and chatting with others that I know also have ADD/ADHD, generally we are all above average intelligence. The problem is executing that intelligence properly. So we know what we are dealing with, we know how the drugs work, we know how the pharms market the drugs, we also pretty much all know there there are a lot of people faking the symptoms to get the meds so they can cram for exams, study better, work longer hours and so on. Sadly I feel these people that are faking it are going to get to a point where they can not function without it. Society has pushed them to the edge and they see no other alternative. For people that actually need the meds like me it does not give us any kind of "boost" or the ability to work for hours on end, it brings a wild uncontrolled mind into focus.

As far as addictive, yeah there is always that possibility but generally the people I know dont go through any kind of withdrawal if they are taking the meds as prescribed. The thought of having to go back into the wild mind state sucks no doubt but I dont think the people that actually need it are going to go out and rob a drug store to get more. For that matter there are more than a few people that will not take ADD meds on the weekends, so its not like we can not function without taking a pill every morning.

Always my final reply to a post like this, though looks a lot like a troll post is "If you think you know the answers, then live with my mind for just 1 day without meds. You can not bring any of yourself, just my mind the way it is without meds. You might last a few hours before you want to shoot yourself."

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That was just a thought that is based on truth of my own research, but it doesn't mean that the issue of our problem does not exist. The addiction is real, and the symptoms are real as well. There are too many sides to the story it is hard to grasp.

My main point is that we should not feel that we are weak and let this consume us. Medication has worked for me in ways I can't explain. I just wish it wasn't necessary to maintain in this society. The impulsivity would have probably led to my demise a long time ago.

And I genuinely understand, and am not trying to come across in that way, so I apologize if I was in any way offensive...I have a problem with that when I don't mean it. Partly why I wanted to join this.

I have taken myself off of medication several times and it has made me forget who I am and what it is that is important to me. But I remember feeling differently before I was taking medication. Now, I'm not sure I will ever get away and I've made peace with that.

And 3 weeks of clinical trials are not conducive to future knowledge of the effects of what we are all taking...that's the business flaw of our addictions now. We just accept it, and I don't know what to do...looking for ideas to enlighten us all.

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Not sure what you mean by addiction. Do you mean you see people as being addicted to the medication? People don't become chemically dependent on ADHD meds at prescribed doses.

I think the exploration of flaws in society, and within the constructs of our social institutions is interesting, but I'm not sure of the nature of your inquiry. It sounds like you are critical of the school system, and then the medical system. Maybe the whole US series of social constructs and institutions? It's always worth critically evaluating such things, even if we can't exactly escape them.

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I actually agree with you.

Although, you'll find most people are completely incapable of thinking outside the box.

People are ignorant to the fact that everybody has their own brain, therefore are all different in their own ways. Nobody is broken, or disordered, they are simply themselves.

"ADHD" will be unheared of in 200 years, just as it was 200 years ago.

But try explaining it to people who refuse to wake up.

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All I know is, that if taking ADHD medication is wrong? I don't wanna be right! Seriously, its like putting glasses on, but its your brain and not your eyes. I don't love big pharma, but I can tell you the medication DOES work, and I'm an adult who has enough brain power to know this isn't a placebo effect.

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I didn't know Fraser was a time traveller. You do know what assumption is, right? The mother of all f**k ups. I've been quoting that a lot lately.

People can become addicted to it but when you take it at prescribed dosages that's not usually a problem. The reason I take my medication is because my abilities are just so inconsistent. But I don't have to justify myself to anyone. I am diagnosed, I take medication. Maybe one day I'll go back to my slow foggy forgetful life and the odd hour of hyperactive bursts and my bank account can lose $2000 a month due to my impulsive spending, but for now I'm going to use my meds for constructive things, like writing books and doing art projects without giving up after an hour.

I think in any other society I will still take the medication. I like the medicated me and at times, in small doses, the unmedicated me.

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Ok, so pharmaceutic industry is evil and they´re controlling our minds or something like that?

I can only say one thing. At the beginning of the XX century life expectancy was betwen 55 and 65 years. Now is in almost 80. Maybe science and healthcare have been responsible of that… don´t you think?

I agree with you. Some pharmaceutic companies are doing bussiness with things that are more important than money…but it doesn´t mean that all the industry is a conspiracy to control the masses…or maybe it is, but the truth is that nobody took me obligated to my appointmet with the shrink. I did a research, saw evidences of adhd and i went freeley to be diagnosed and medicated. There is no manipulation in that

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it's not three weeks of clinical tricks. The whole process takes a lot longer than that. I don't agree with the concept that our brains are just different. They are impaired. It's like saying people with myopic eyesight don't need glasse they just see the world differently. I'm not on meds, never have been.

I don't know if the alternative is better but living like this definitely isn't fun. It isn't different or more enlightened, closer to our true self or any crap like that. It's just painful frustrating and extremely annoying and yes our society is performance based but it's not just restricted to humans. The weak don't have an edge and they sure as hell won't inherit the world. I'm not saying that big pharma is perfect or that we should follow them blindly but i don't think the world would be a better place without companies that do the research and can mass produce meds so that that they are available to us. Without medicine and medication the weak, ill and disabled would just die out.

Why is taking medication for mental health problems so frowned upon? No one would tell a diabetic to stop taking insulin shots and just manage his condition with positive thinking. Now you could argue that mental health problems aren't fatal but I'm so miserable I'm getting to the point where i don't want to live anymore. I don't care if you want to call it different, broken or just being myself. If this is myself then i don't like it. Is there something wrong with changing things you don't like? Do you freeze your balls off in winter running around naked because that's how we were Born? Lateral thinking doesn't mean accepting your lot nor does it mean that you have to make decisions based on the desire to be different. It just means that you can look at an issue from different angles. And once you have done that you can make a decision on what's best for you irrespective how common or conventional it is.

Everyone has to make the decision to medicate themselves based on a trade off between benefit and side effects but I'm glad that there is a possibility to at least mitigate the effects of a pretty disabling condition. Even if it's produced by the big evil pharmaceutical companies. By the way off students study pharmacology too. They might not know everything but I'd rather trust them than my banker or plumber.

Apart from the side effects what is the disadvantage of taking meds? I really don't know. All i know is that the alternative stinks.

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sigh. I'm sorry if i was too aggressive or over emotional in my previous post. I'm just so sick and tired of people telling me what to do. Everyone thinks they know and understand me better than i do myself. And they all think they've got the solution to all my problems. But the solutions are never based on research or science but on gut feeling and personal experience with a sample size of one.

I'm also tired of feeling guilty for wanting to find a solution to my problems. My problems, not what other people think my problems be. Seriously if you've got adhd and the benefits of taking stimulant medication is more than the side effects what is so wrong with taking them? Why is it called as cattle mentality, naivity or an incapability think outside of the box? In my vieW it doesn't make sense to deny yourself something that you know benefits you. What's wrong with not accepting yourself the way you were Born? Humans have thrive in this world because they have constantly tried to make their lives better easier and longer. If we were all happy with our lot we'd still be living in caves and dying in our thirties. Humans haven't evolved to be physically superior. We have evolved to compensate for our physical deficiencies by using artificial man made tools.

Medication is a tool. The only tool that is widely approved for the treatment of adhd. If it's a quick and easy solution what's wrong with that? You wouldn't call someone lazy for using a knife rather than his teeth or finger nails or positive thinking to cut something. Or would you expect him to just give on anything that has to be cut in the name of individuality, lateral thinking and self acceptance?

It doesn't matter what society we live in. In every type of society there Will be some people who Will be disadvantaged by their physical peculiarities. Maybe that's just bad luck but not trying to help yourself when help is available and needed is just stupidity.

Sigh and i really need to sleep now. Enough of blabbering fuzzy. Ugh if i was on meds then maybe I'd be able to go to bed at a sensible hour when I'm tired and have got a long and crappy day to look forward to rather than writing endless posts. :(

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The longitudinal, valid and reliable, peer reviewed, unrestricted research, on

the use of stimulants to treat (authentic) ADHD individuals, overwhelmingly

supports a DECREASE IN THE RISK OF A SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER (SUD).


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