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What is inborn about ADHD in your opinion?

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People with ADHD are hypersensitive.

That is not a fault or a weakness of theirs, it is how they were born.

It is their inborn temperament.

That, primarily, is what is hereditary about ADHD.

Genetic inheritance by itself cannot account for the presence of ADHD features in people, but heredity can make it far more likely that these features will emerge in a given individual, depending on circumstances.

It is sensitivity, not disorder, that is transmitted through heredity.

In most cases, ADHD is caused by the impact of the environment on particularly sensitive infants.
-Gabor Mate M.D., “Scattered”, p 59.

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Re: What is inborn about ADHD in your opinion?

Emotional self regulation normally develops in interaction with the environment, over a period of time, before birth and the age of 7*.

It makes sense that development could be delayed over a period of time before the age of 7.

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I read in Dr. Mate’s books that ADHD causation could involve both genetic and environmental factors (nature and nurture), but there does not always need to be genetic factors.
I disagree. I think there has to be a genetic component and that environment will play a large roll in how those genetics cause adhd to emerge.

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People with ADHD are hypersensitive.

That is not a fault or a weakness of theirs, it is how they were born.

It is their inborn temperament.

That, primarily, is what is hereditary about ADHD.

Genetic inheritance by itself cannot account for the presence of ADHD features in people, but heredity can make it far more likely that these features will emerge in a given individual, depending on circumstances.

It is sensitivity, not disorder, that is transmitted through heredity.

In most cases, ADHD is caused by the impact of the environment on particularly sensitive infants.
-Gabor Mate M.D., “Scattered”, p 59.
I do not believe it is inborn temperament or sensitivity that is the genetic variant of adhd. I think saying adhd people are more sensitive due to emotional regulation issues is more accurate. Emotional regulation issues I believe are part of the genetic code that makes up adhd.
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I disagree. I think there has to be a genetic component and that environment will play a large roll in how those genetics cause adhd to emerge.


I do not believe it is inborn temperament or sensitivity that is the genetic variant of adhd. I think saying adhd people are more sensitive due to emotional regulation issues is more accurate. Emotional regulation issues I believe are part of the genetic code that makes up adhd.
Absolutely totally completely agree. Couldn't agree more.

Of course, some brain injuries can cause adhd-like symptoms. My niece is a
real example of that. That isn't inborn adhd. (I hate that word 'inborn' but
that's the word that fits here).

Otherwise there is something genetic going on in the brain wiring (neuro-
transmitters) when that little person starts to come together inside the womb
that results in a person with adhd. We don't develop the disorder as children,
the disorder is that our brains don't develop neurotypically.
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Re: What is inborn about ADHD in your opinion?

I found this helpful ... Can genes be turned on and off in cells?
https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/howgeneswork/geneonoff


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Each cell expresses, or turns on, only a fraction of its genes. The rest of the genes are repressed, or turned off. The process of turning genes on and off is known as gene regulation. Gene regulation is an important part of normal development. Genes are turned on and off in different patterns during development to make a brain cell look and act different from a liver cell or a muscle cell, for example. Gene regulation also allows cells to react quickly to changes in their environments. Although we know that the regulation of genes is critical for life, this complex process is not yet fully understood.

Gene regulation can occur at any point during gene expression, but most commonly occurs at the level of transcription (when the information in a gene’s DNA is transferred to mRNA). Signals from the environment or from other cells activate proteins called transcription factors. These proteins bind to regulatory regions of a gene and increase or decrease the level of transcription. By controlling the level of transcription, this process can determine the amount of protein product that is made by a gene at any given time.
"Signals from the environment or from other cells activate proteins
called transcription factors."

Despite claims from Dr. Mate, it is not known whether some signal from the
environment or from other cells turns off, or fails to turn on, the areas that are
underdeveloped in the brain of someone diagnosed with adhd.
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I disagree. I think there has to be a genetic component and that environment will play a large roll in how those genetics cause adhd to emerge.


I do not believe it is inborn temperament or sensitivity that is the genetic variant of adhd. I think saying adhd people are more sensitive due to emotional regulation issues is more accurate. Emotional regulation issues I believe are part of the genetic code that makes up adhd.
this is something to think about, keeping in mind no one knows conclusively what exactly ADHD is and why it occurs

one thing about the self regulation though, no human has any type of self regulation until about 18 months at the earliest, all babies are born without the ability to self regulate

yet russell barkley has concluded (let me know i dig up the link if needed) that a majority of babies that develop ADHD have what he calls a sensitive temperament (colicky , tempermental) but not all the babies with this temperament will develop ADHD

so according to barkley, there is a sensitivity of emotion/senses in ADHD before self regulation would have ever developed

that doesnt mean its the direct cause, just an observation
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this is something to think about, keeping in mind no one knows conclusively what exactly ADHD is and why it occurs

one thing about the self regulation though, no human has any type of self regulation until about 18 months at the earliest, all babies are born without the ability to self regulate

yet russell barkley has concluded (let me know i dig up the link if needed) that a majority of babies that develop ADHD have what he calls a sensitive temperament (colicky , tempermental) but not all the babies with this temperament will develop ADHD

so according to barkley, there is a sensitivity of emotion/senses in ADHD before self regulation would have ever developed

that doesnt mean its the direct cause, just an observation
While it's true that we aren't born with the ability to self-regulate, we are born
with the ability to learn to do that. As I understand it, adhd is a developmental
disorder, which means that our ability to learn self-regulation is delayed ... and
for most of us it will never be neurotypical.

I did a google for "Dr. Barkley + adhd sensitivity in infants" and did not find
anything revelant. If you don't mind sharing that, you have a better idea what
search terms would refer to what you remember seeing.
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While it's true that we aren't born with the ability to self-regulate, we are born
with the ability to learn to do that. As I understand it, adhd is a developmental
disorder, which means that our ability to learn self-regulation is delayed ... and
for most of us it will never be neurotypical.

I did a google for "Dr. Barkley + adhd sensitivity in infants" and did not find
anything revelant. If you don't mind sharing that, you have a better idea what
search terms would refer to what you remember seeing.
sure, I'm not doubting what you post

i was just observing that its an interesting thing to think about...saying emotional sensitivity in ADHD is only due to the inability to self regulate your emotions

because if we were/are more sensitive at birth like barkley says , our emotional sensitivity couldnt ONLY be due to self regulation, seeing that self regulation doesnt exist at birth

thats all I'm saying, nothing deeper or agenda driven

give me a few fore the link
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sure, I'm not doubting what you post

i was just observing that its an interesting thing to think about...saying emotional sensitivity in ADHD is only due to the inability to self regulate your emotions

because if we were/are more sensitive at birth like barkley says , our emotional sensitivity couldnt ONLY be due to self regulation, seeing that self regulation doesnt exist at birth

thats all I'm saying, nothing deeper or agenda driven

give me a few fore the link
Remember when we discussed about preexecutive function?

Since then, I learned what Dr. Barkley was calling preexecutive function, other people are calling affective executive functions.

In other words, bottom up emotional regulation/mood disorders involve subcortical affective executive functions, and top down self regulation of emotions involve neocortical cognitive executive functions.

What I am trying to understand now is...

*Which factors (and when) (example: autonomic distresses) influence the number and density of dopamine neurons in the midbrain/VTA and how does a reduction in these dopamine neurons originating in midbrain/VTA (affective executive function) influence development of the same dopaminergic pathways in the upper limbic and prefrontal cortex (cognitive executive function)?

**where does affective executive functions “end” and cognitive executive functions “begin”?

***how does affective executive functions influence cognitive executive functions?

****how does cognitive executive functions influence affective executive functions?





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Re: It makes me doubt ADD is real when..

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While it's true that we aren't born with the ability to self-regulate, we are born
with the ability to learn to do that. As I understand it, adhd is a developmental
disorder, which means that our ability to learn self-regulation is delayed ... and
for most of us it will never be neurotypical.

I did a google for "Dr. Barkley + adhd sensitivity in infants" and did not find
anything revelant. If you don't mind sharing that, you have a better idea what
search terms would refer to what you remember seeing.
The more severe the affective inborn hypersensitive temperament, the more likely the infant is to be distressed (anxious/angry/depressed) and cause interference in the development of self regulation, when self regulation is developing for the first time.




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still scanning my libaray

here is something non barkley
https://books.google.com/books?id=YP...olicky&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=8H...olicky&f=false

the second one is funny about the baby running

i guess around 2 i would bust through screens and escape into the neighborhood

often being brought home by neighbors
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Thank You for posting this information by Dr. Barkley, in regards to distressed inborn temperament during early infancy.

Edit: missed the part where you escaped during early childhood, i’m glad they captured you, before you got hurt.

I barely remember being brought home in a van by a couple of hippies who found me walking up the highway.

I was also told I also used to escape and literally hide in my neighbors dog house. Before I was told a few years ago I had a dream I was in a doghouse as a toddler listening to my mother frantically call me. (Something like that) and I asked my mother and she confirmed it really happened.

Then there was the time I threw a hammer at my brother...when he was picking on me.

Once I hide under the bed all day and listened to my parents frantically calling on the phone everywhere...

I could go on and on with the early life stories, now that you mentioned it.






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Re: What is inborn about ADHD in your opinion?

There is definitively a known issue regarding ineffective dopamine transmitters in the adhd brain, but is also known they social conditions in early childhood can have a physical effects on neurology... There I think there is a lot to look into regarding D.R Gabor Mate's work, but I feel that in general, the positions shown by D.r Barkley are better researched...

So... TL/DR from me, Gabor Mate's work shows some merits, and definitely warrants further study.
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Re: What is inborn about ADHD in your opinion?

still scanning my libaray

here is something non barkley
https://books.google.com/books?id=YP...olicky&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=8H...olicky&f=false

the second one is funny about the baby running

i guess around 2 i would bust through screens and escape into the neighborhood

often being brought home by neighbors
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