The PROS and CONS of the ADDF "Culture"

[Rebelyell]

Abi and I are con artists the pros ,we are so slick n smooth you wont have any idea we are con artists

[SB_UK]

Originally Posted by Abi

So, I saw a post (which will be deleted by now) in which a member said they don't like the ADDF "culture".
So I put the following questions to my fellow members:
(1) IS there in fact a dominant "culture" here on the forums?

Pretty sure that the ADDer mind can explain what the mind is.
(that's a big deal by the way)

Pretty sure that the ADDer mind can explain what ADHD is.
(an even bigger deal)

Pretty sure that all of the questions people ask here can be understood with a mechanistic explanation of mind
- and with a mechanistic explanation of the modification required (to mind) to generate ADHD (the ADD experience).

Confusing, though (ADDF "Culture"), why people don't seem to want to try.

In truth - the solution to those questions are ever so simple to grasp.

Potentially impossible to prove - though terribly easy to grasp.

nonADD - ladders
model of attention

belief system-based

ADD - lateralus
model of (surfeit) attention (propensity towards)



globally connected - internally connected mind (tendency towards)
The narrow beam of light is of greater intensity to the illumined room.
The deficit explained by surfeit in attention.

Attention - relating to the structure of mind underlying.

Compare {attention, structure of mind (shapes below), beams of light (shapes above)}.

nonADD - ladders (shape of logical structure comprising mind)


ADD - lateralus (shape of logical structure comprising mind)



-*-

ADDers are less prone to parochial belief systems
- we don't accept anything unless it passes our criteria for true.

Originally Posted by Stabile

The reason we have a greater knowledge about ourselves is that we can encode information much more richly and efficiently using a new kind of logical structure in the brain.

[SB_UK]

Originally Posted by 8 years ago

The reason we have a greater knowledge about ourselves is that we can encode information much more richly and efficiently using a new kind of logical structure in the brain.

Our minds are different.

[Spacemaster]

Except when you tell us Conman

[sarahsweets]

Pros : I like the people here.
Cons I say f**k off sometimes (but thats more of a pro in my book

[SB_UK]

Originally Posted by _

Compare {attention, structure of mind (shapes in post below), beams of light (shapes in post above)}.

Originally Posted by Barliman

“For the moment, what we attend to is reality.”
William James

The major component of ADHD/ADD/ADD-I - our 'inability' to pay attention (attend) is simple to understand.

We pay attention to the scope of the model of reality which defines our mind.

The attention deficit, wide open attention span, tangential thinking of ADD is reflective of the structure underlying.

The structure of the structure of our mind.
And the extent to which it's filled.

In 2 apparently intelligent people -
one can observe 2 extremes in the structure of structure of knowledge within their mind.

| and o

| extreme detail in the smallest of fields - a Master of one.
o basic detail in all fields - a Jack of all trades.

ADDers have a propensity towards o
nonADDers towards |

Morality arises through o (the humility to realise that the individual is average)
Anti-social exclusivity in | (the tendency towards belief that the individual is better than others - because of their high standing (on an almost invisible chair - so small has it become))
.
| Sophism, primitive, competitive, desire to beat others.
o Socrates, wisdom, mind, collaborative.

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ADDers have a propensity towards building a mind with a non-belief system based, globally internally logically consistent mind.
And we're driven to distraction in a world which isn't able to attend to what actually matters.

Sadly - we're not broken - people without ADD are.

Human beings are meant to be a social species.

Take a look at the newspaper - for evidence on each and every page - that we, evidently are not

yet.

[SB_UK]

Originally Posted by _

Take a look at the newspaper - for evidence on each and every page - that we, evidently are not

yet.

Perfect statement of what's wrong with society.

In 1 word - priorities.

The individual needs a mind which can prioritize actions based on the alleviation of suffering on a species level.

The ADD propensity towards global/big picture thinking comes into its own.

We can 'see' which priorities should be attended to first -
become disordered
- when we find ourselves immersed in an evironmental context of people who watch TV, watch sport (don't play), eat without guilt at those without, accumulate trinkets which they don't need as others die prematurely from wholly preventable diseases ... ... ...

- we're disordered because we've the eyes to see human beings for what we/they are -
animals laying claim to - without actual ownership of a mind.

News stories in the serious newspapers on 'Kate plays hockey', 'how hard it is for Harry to find love' ... ... etc ... .... etc ...

Nonsense.

Sheer nonsense.

The poor celebrating the useless rich/powerful ??

Why do that ?

Celebration of the very immorality which we'll only ever be happy through shedding the allure for ... ...

Human beings - for all of the apparently complex feats accomplished -
aren't very smart, aren't very smart at all.

[Lunacie]

Originally Posted by SB_UK

< snip >
| and o

| extreme detail in the smallest of fields - a Master of one.
o basic detail in all fields - a Jack of all trades.

ADDers have a propensity towards o
nonADDers towards |

Morality arises through o (the humility to realise that the individual is average)
Anti-social exclusivity in | (the tendency towards belief that the individual is better than others - because of their high standing (on an almost invisible chair - so small has it become))
.
| Sophism, primitive, competitive, desire to beat others.
o Socrates, wisdom, mind, collaborative.

-*-
< snip >

Interesting. I generally have a very hard time understanding SB's posts,
but this one really clicked.

My ex was an | while I am an o. He would go straight to the target or
goal, while I was going around in circles.


First example that comes to mind was when we'd get with friends and
play Dungeons & Dragons. My ex's character would somehow manage
to get straight to the goal and straight out of the adventure again.


Meanwhile, my character was having a grand old time checking every
room in the dungeon - leaving no stone unturned or chest unopened
or monster unfought.


I enjoy the journey while he just wanted to get where he was going
without wasting time on scenery. Same differences in bed - he went
straight to the goal while I wanted to explore the scenery. It was
frustrating for both of us, moreso for me I feel. Clearly he was NT
and I've always been ADHD - undiagnosed while married.


Thank you SB although you probably still have me on ignore.

[SB_UK]

Originally Posted by _

Pretty sure that the ADDer mind can explain what the mind is.
(that's a big deal by the way)

Pretty sure that the ADDer mind can explain what ADHD is.
(an even bigger deal)

Pretty sure that all of the questions people ask here can be understood with a mechanistic explanation of mind
- and with a mechanistic explanation of the modification required (to mind) to generate ADHD (the ADD experience).

Confusing, though (ADDF "Culture"), why people don't seem to want to try.

Today's newspaper

Children whose minds wander 'have sharper brains'

[Crazygirl79]

Ok as a long term member this is how I see it and there is no right or wrong with the answers I'm giving here as they from my perspective only!

(1) IS there in fact a dominant "culture" here on the forums?

While I see some people "group up" together if you like I personally don't believe there is a dominant culture as such because the dynamics of the forums are always changing due to different people coming and going all the time.

(2) If so, WHAT are its defining characteristics?

Again it depends on the dynamics of the forums at the time and the characteristics are never the same as different people are coming and going...yes the fact people come and go have a lot to do with how things operate here and no group of "core" people are the same and the only real common defining characteristics is the fact we all have symptoms of ADD/ADHD.

(3) The Good?

For the most part the information I read on this forum is usually of good quality and helpful. It's also a good stepping stone to make some good online and even real life friendships....Don't make the mistake of developing romantic crushes or feelings for anyone from here like I did unless you know for sure you're onto something real lol

(4) The Bad?

Well where do I start?? I think the way some members are trivialized is one issue, the fact that some members are ignored is another issue and although this might sound "princess" like but that's not how I mean it but there seems to be a lot of disrespect for long term members and one stage it got to the point where I actually left the forums without the intention of coming back until somebody actually told me that they missed my posts, that I should come back and stop worrying about what others think.

(5) The Ugly?

Hahahaha yeah where do I start, I've seen a lot b*tch fighting between members from time to time, I've heard a lot of things on the grapevine so to speak (which I don't personally get involved in) and I've seen friendships made and broken as a result of this mindless sh*t, another less than charming issue is the trolling by a few idiots who find it necessary and get enjoyment out of upsetting others.

Overall I think these forums have their good and bad points like any other forums...

Selena

[~boots~]

The adhd culture...geez..it has a bad rap..but for us IMHO lucky enough to have it ;-)
We can be super space cadets and not know it...;-)
We can me super medicated super smart people..and stun the people who think we are space cadets..
We can be over productive..~ditto to the above!~
We can do whatever we want...whenever we want..
And be proud ;-)

now..where were we?

[~boots~]

See..I am soooo ditzy, I thought the topic said ADHD culture..but I see it was ADDF culture...

Now that is completely different
This culture is fab...it allows to to be who you really are, after medicating oneself to the hilt, simply to survive in the cut throat world called life...

How can one give it up?? I know I never could..

And everyone here seems to "get" me...unmedicated ;-)
~bliss!~

Originally Posted by ~boots~

The adhd culture...geez..it has a bad rap..but for us IMHO lucky enough to have it ;-)
We can be super space cadets and not know it...;-)
We can me super medicated super smart people..and stun the people who think we are space cadets..
We can be over productive..~ditto to the above!~
We can do whatever we want...whenever we want..
And be proud ;-)

now..where were we?

[mctavish23]

Culture this...

Scientologist's and Trolls = "To the Moon Alice"

tc

mctavish23

(Robert)

[SB_UK]

Originally Posted by ~boots~

... ... after medicating oneself to the hilt, simply to survive in the cut throat world called life...

This is such an important point.

We medicate (stress relief) in order to permit ourselves to survive in a stressful (viciously anti-social) environment.

The disorder in ADHD is entirely contextual in nature and can be lost with social infrastructural change.

It's not right that some have ever much more than they need, when the majority haven't the basal minimum to survive.

It wouldn't be human to be mentally healthy in the global social environment we've-d.

And plenty are (mentally healthy) - meaning ... ... ... just one thing.

[SB_UK]

Originally Posted by mctavish23

Culture this...

Scientologist's and Trolls = "To the Moon Alice"

tc

mctavish23

(Robert)

It's strange how certain scientologists, trolls, fundamentalists, football fanatics etc etc are of deeply subjective opinion.
The weaker the human mind - the greater, it appears the individual's certainty in falsehood.

Originally Posted by Socrates

I know that I know nothing.

There is no planet out there where Xenu lives, there is no reason to be rude to other people just for the sake, there is no prophet who could literally walk on water, your favourite football team are not the 'best' in any meaningful sense of the word.