Do any of you PI type know a combined type in real life?

[Retromancer]

That's essentially my experience. If there is one compelling reason for me to take medication it is to be present and aware of time passing.

Originally Posted by purpleToes

Does this sound like two different kinds of inattention?

- When unmedicated, it's like I gap out, lose my train of thought, lose my place, go blank. Time seems to go by too fast, I think because I'm on pause a lot, while time keeps passing.

- Medicated (not yet optimized), I don't often go blank, but get sidetracked and distracted a lot. I have to mentally rewind often, and tasks still take longer than they should, but time seems to flow a little more predictably. It's as if I feel more conscious.

[shamrock]

These last two days make me feel as if im suffering from some type of forum induced

oppositional defiant disorder.

First it was avalanche in the thread " the other type of ADD where I got him/ her so well and what they were saying and now the same thing with retromancer. I dont know what to do. I am not a troll. I just see it their way.

This is going to backfire on me very badly some day. Im going to say something some day on this side of the atlantic and go to bed and waken up with 14 furious posts in which case i will handle it very well and repeat my point in a calm measured manner or develop a pulse of 145/need ventolin and leave the forum with a bad case of pstd. Remember.the" nice" Pi crowd do overwhelmed as almost a default button...and I realise if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen but when I click on a few posts like Avalanches/Retromancers I get Live Aid Syndrome ie Tonight Thank God its them instead of me and never mnd the snow in Africa.

[ginniebean]

Oh what's the point... Could someone.just change the title of the thread to something about PI types and toss it in their section.

[Retromancer]

And this officially diagnosed "combined" type will duly follow the thread to its new home.

This combined type definitely knows a PI in real life ... me.

Originally Posted by ginniebean

Oh what's the point... Could someone.just change the title of the thread to something about PI types and toss it in their section.

[ginniebean]

... doesn't matter

[sarahsweets]

I dont understand how this turned into such a debate. The question was "do you know a combined in real life' not "lets debate the differences and validity of PI VS Combined.

[ginniebean]

Originally Posted by sarahsweets

I dont understand how this turned into such a debate. The question was "do you know a combined in real life' not "lets debate the differences and validity of PI VS Combined.

Apparently seeing 'combined type" brings out the need to start ******* contests, go oh woe is me, and people just get mean.

[fracturedstory]

It's kind of like being mixed race, or not completely deaf. If you don't have the full disorder then you're somehow not doing as bad. I don't mean mixed race is a disorder, but the way people that are of a full ethnicity treat you the same as those who have not all the symptoms to be in either the hyper or PI category.
And I am mixed race.

It's the way parents of low functioning autistics see people with high functioning autism/ Asperger's syndrome. But I say to them it's called LFA/severe autism for a reason. If it was the way all autistics were then they'd be no need for functioning labels.

We combined are the PDD of the ADHD sub-group.

I can finally see what Ginniebean means. It takes me awhile to get to full picture. We have those inattentive symptoms too but get told it's not as bad for us, right?

What next, attacking the co-morbid people for not being true ADHD?

[meadd823]

Originally Posted by ginniebean

Oh what's the point... Could someone.just change the title of the thread to something about PI types and toss it in their section.

Not only no but HELL No!

Prevalence, Recognition, and Treatment of Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder in a National Sample of US Children


Of the children, 4.4% met criteria for ADHD-IA, 2.2% for ADHD-CT, and 2.0% for ADHD-HI (Table 1). Subtype differences were observed among the various income and racial/ethnic groups (Table 3).

The poorest children had a higher likelihood of ADHD-HI compared with the wealthiest (AOR for PIR, first vs fifth quintile, 3.1; 95% CI, 1.2-8.3). African Americans and Mexican Americans had a lower likelihood of ADHD-IA rates compared with non-Hispanic white children (AOR, 0.4; 95% CI, 0.2-0.8, for both).


Boys had an increased likelihood of meeting DSM-IV criteria for all ADHD subtypes compared with girls in bivariate analyses (ADHD-CT: 3.3% vs 1.0%, P < .001; ADHD-IA: 5.7% vs 3.1%, P = .004; ADHD-HI: 2.8% vs 1.2%, P = .01). In multivariable analyses, this pattern of male predominance was strongest for ADHD-CT (AOR vs girls, 3.2; 95% CI, 1.9-5.5) but was also significant for ADHD-IA (AOR vs girls, 1.8; 95% CI, 1.2-2.8) and ADHD-HI (AOR vs girls, 2.2; 95% CI, 1.1-4.5).


Prevalence of ADHD and Its Subtypes in Male and Female Adult Prison Inmates


The overall ADHD prevalence rate found was 10.5%, which is substantially higher than the rate among adults in the general population (2–5%). The female inmate ADHD prevalence rate (15.1%) was higher than the male inmate ADHD rate (9.8%), consistent with some previous studies. The most prevalent ADHD subtype for both genders was the hyperactive-impulsive subtype. The combined and inattentive ADHD subtypes had higher levels of comorbid psychopathology than the hyperactive-impulsive ADHD subtype

The thing so often forgotten is that ALL ADULT ADHDers regardless of sub-type have problems with attention or the lack of focusing thereof - Good grief I am soooo damned sick of this pi**ing contest- makes me want to find and install a "smite" function - Where as stupid arguments can be done away with completely

The woa is me I am inattentive ADHD and my brain will shrink if I read any thing I can not relate therefore all you who are not PI should dry up and blow away ,those who claim this run a real close race for the highest percentage of fertilizer per sentence with the morons who come on here only to claim ADHD doesn't exist at all !!!

Where is the freaking LAW saying one group MUST have ALL the support at the expense of every one else . . . . . being under- recognized in the past is no excuse for dismissing other ADHD sub-types in the here and now.

As for the "Most impaired awards"


According to the studies in prisons the ADHD symptoms MOST inmates suffer from is hyperactivity and impulsiveness - meaning these are the two aspects of ADHD that are most likely to land one's happy or unhappy hinney in prison and to me that actually makes sense .


The fist study says that those who are from the poorest group are most likely to have predominately hyperactive symptoms where are those who have primarily inattentive symptoms are most likely to be from the wealthiest groups - Doesn't sound like having PI is worse than having HI or C to me

Now is this due to the inheritance of the subtype itself or is coming from a crime ridden neighborhood most likely to cause ADHD to be expressed in physical activity - who knows.


The saddest but most predictable part of this from a US stand point is those who are among the poorest are the least likely to have regular treatments for their ADHD regardless of sub-types .


Soo if ya want to compare the most likely sub-type to have the poorest out come according to these studies both from respected sources says that being hyper-active AND impulsive are the ADHD symptoms that will most likely result in a poor quality of life - Seeing as 95% of ALL ADHDer experience inattentive symptoms those swearing that being inattentive alone causes the greatest impairments are - umm what is the word = statistically wrong.

Statistically wrong is NOT the same thing as being individual wrong. Individual members here are not statistics nor should we be treating each other as such.

- A PI ADDer can be more impaired than a combined ADDer if the combined ADDers symptoms are less sever - However when all things are equal combined ADDers have more impairing symptoms to deal with

Perhaps those who suffer from being impulsive, hyperactive and inattentive are getting the most attention is because those are the one costing society the most money. Society at large does not really give a rats rump about us as a group except we cost them time and money so naturally they are going to address those costing the most of it. Being hyperactive is no guarantee of recognition. Hell I went undiagnosed forever due to my gender! Only boys were hyperactive, hyperactive girls didn't exist. I have a real problem with that existing when I am not suppose to thing!

That certainly does not mean that being primarily inattentive isn't impairing,shouldn't be researched nor is it meant to indicate PI deserve less individual support = WE ALL DESERVE SUPPORT!!!

At the very least those who are combined ADHD deserve our own THREAD - on a support forum. . . . .I think that is what gennie was trying to accomplish here!

[meadd823]

Originally Posted by fracturedstory

It's kind of like being mixed race, or not completely deaf. If you don't have the full disorder then you're somehow not doing as bad. I don't mean mixed race is a disorder, but the way people that are of a full ethnicity treat you the same as those who have not all the symptoms to be in either the hyper or PI category.
And I am mixed race.

It's the way parents of low functioning autistics see people with high functioning autism/ Asperger's syndrome. But I say to them it's called LFA/severe autism for a reason. If it was the way all autistics were then they'd be no need for functioning labels.

We combined are the PDD of the ADHD sub-group.

I can finally see what Ginniebean means. It takes me awhile to get to full picture. We have those inattentive symptoms too but get told it's not as bad for us, right?

What next, attacking the co-morbid people for not being true ADHD?

If your female and the combined type with many hyperactive issues your really in the minority

Then to read crap like

Originally Posted by Retromancer

]I remember when I was diagnosed going on 15 years ago how hard it was finding anything in print that described what my experience of AD(H)D was like. Sari Solden's Women With ADD ironically was one of the first books I read that described AD(H)D as I experienced it.

Yeah like all women are supposed to be the dreamy type - Blah

Inattentive ADHD issues have their own sub-section here , blogs , books just freaking google inattentive ADHD - there is all sorts of stuff out there for ADD PI

[sarcasm]To my surprise for some that still isn't enough.[end sarcasm]



I would say that ADHD PI's have more than their fair share of information and support these days and it is high time to flick the ole chip off the shoulder and move along with some thing more interesting. The same ole song and dance is past redundant.

At the very least NOT undermining some one else attempt to get support for issues they are dealing with would be appreciated!

Originally Posted by shamrock

I think you are edging very close to something with that.
All types of inattentiveness have similar consequences ie a burnt dinner is a burnt dinner and a missed turn off is a missed turn off but there is a group of people on this forum who are searching for ...something more..something like what your sister has..that continual internal/space cadet...whatever you call it inattentiveness. We dont know what to call it so we group together in the inattentive section looking for an explanation. We can nearly instinctively tell who one another is. Keliza I keep relating to your sister as I have said to you before.

The combined explanation leaves us cold. I have no idea why but it does.

Elitism leaves me less than supportive.


If ya don;t wanna talk combined ADHD then why click on a thread about combined ADDers?

Originally Posted by doiadhd

Biggest problem with combined would be impulsiveness,whats the biggest problem with add,my guess is depression. You know how much deep shi! impulsiveness can get you into? This aint school anymore,it aint going head masters writing out lines,its courts its prison its nut houses,homelessness,drugs etc. Or add. . .lets see,staring at a wall. I choose staring at the wall.

I disagree with the depression part but agree completely with the part that indicates that the biggest issue with my impulsiveness is the CONSEQUENCES

[amberwillow]

My ex-husband is a big H... I knew him from age 8. He used to set himself on fire for fun and got his bro to shoot him in the knee as a teen (with a slug-gun). The boys never told their mum why he was limping until he did an Army physical at 18 and the examining doc noticed the scar. The army sent him to get the slug removed after all that time and the story got back to his poor mum.

He used to leave the house over the back fence and move the car closer to the shop we were actually shopping in.

If we went out for dinner he raced through the meal and 'died' waiting for others to finish... By that stage he had already moved the car to the front door of the venue.

He chased hares around the local army oval to fight boredom and was known to mow said oval with a push mower.

I can go on...

[Verile]

So much hostility.

[meadd823]

When I was in grade school I walked bare foot so much that the bottom of my feet developed a sole of their own - For fun one day I set the bottom of my feet on fire just before my father and step mother were expecting company!

- Ahh the smell of burning flesh just before dinner -

[amberwillow]

Hostility?

Where?

[meadd823]

Read this using the same tone one would ascribe to a computer because that is how I intend it. . . .

Hostility comes when people feel pushed out of their own thread! It's a result of people with an agenda counter to the intention stated by the member who began the discussion. It happens some times. .


When I see folks giving up on a topic they began in earnest because other members have bullied them to the point of loosing all hope of meaningful exchange then yes I tend to take up their cause - That is part of who I am always has been! I am not being hostile, although I know my post come out choppy which makes them read harsher than I intend!

Now for all us ADDers who have long forgotten what the initial post said here is a reminder . . ..

Originally Posted by initial post

Seeing as how there is a thread about knowing the inattentive types and it's turned out to be really interesting, it might be good to see the other side.

I do wish people would get that H type is a unicorn. There are hyperactive combined types, and there are more sluggish combined types.

Anywhooo... Sooooo?

- Gennie wants to talk combined ADHD, how to recognize a combined ADDer, maybe some of the issue that come with being an adult with ADHD-C

If you are PI then by all means feel free talk about some one you know who is combined ADHD. No one should feel left out due to sub-type. Some members have even successfully compared their ADHD sub-type with family members who have another ADHD sub-type with wonderful results!

If ya didn't come here to discuss the topic then by all means please choose another thread.