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Old 12-30-18, 03:29 AM
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serious question, about smarts and mental disorders.,

I just need to vent. I loged on to the smart profile on facebook I haven't loged onto for a while, and looked at what other people where going through.

and I'm sorry, I know that I am blessed with a high iq and I don't want to come off as higher than anyone becuase I know that I am not, everyone is of equal value.

but damn man, it seems that every high iq person has something, dyslexia, comorbids, adhd. I've just been able o self reflect, and I don't know if it's because of my adhd or over controlling parents. I find myself asking myself "why is my family screwed up", then I witness my mother refracting behaviors that my father and other family members internolizes and I have to try my damndestto keep my cool, remembering everything that my therapist has said.

it just, you knoiw, it just seems cruel that the smartest have to live inside themselves, inside myself.. dr jordan peterson said that " people don't want to hear about hte internal lives of the smart and creatives in this world", and ya, he is right. if I show my stuff in any domain, I get ridiculed , even in guitar playing, yet this person, this me, is supposed to keep on keeping on when only a handfull of people can get me. to be humbell in that respect can be, difficult,m however it's on me (and in me) to keep on being humble (ehh, not this thread,exactly sorry everyone)

I can do it, I know it, I can give it my all, I have to say "screw the haters", just keep on keeping on, be the best I know that I am capable of being, you know you can (self reflection) in all of my work.

however, when I give my all, when I give it all I can people stair. I didn't miss the stellar mark, something my therapist reminds me off(or something I remember him saying to me, you know, where the id is known the ego is or something), however keeping the balance is an act of faith into itself. others don't beleive in me, so I have to believe in myself, that is a tall order, people don't think I can, but I know I can, that is a tall order, yet even talking about smarts get's people riled up yet I'm supposed to keep on keeping on, crap man, that is almost encermountable when everyone is against you (self reflection). when people ask how do you do that and, hey, I have a 12 page report, they don't beleive ... ehh, don't wound self Drog.... THAT is what I've been doing lately mentally, yet the same people that would wound me, would have me give a you statment to wound myself, are there, at every turn of the page. and their is still this gaping trust wound that my mother, ehh, "hhelped instill"

I guess, if anyone is willingm to provide a link to why it is that smart people, specificly, usually have some sort of thing to overcome. I'm just tired tonight, and needed to vent for a bit, seeing those similar to myself, struggeling with the same issues man,, it's hard to know that this is the case sometime. I have to study transactional analysis to be who I am to not **** others off, when it seems that, others are just overly ambisious to walk over me and still, I have to fly like the pheonix to not walk on eggshells anymore, a balancing act to be sure.

sorry, my weill right now is faultering a bit, time for bed
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Re: serious question, about smarts and mental disorders.,

What is "the smart facebook" profile?
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Re: serious question, about smarts and mental disorders.,

also, I really don't mean to step on anyones toes here, I know how touchy this subject can be, if anyone thinks I am, I'm sorry., I truly am, I know that even on this forum, I have acted vein in the past and it hurts knowing that I have.
ya, that's the balancing act. I have to forgive myself, as well as other's in this same boat, when it seems that other's won't, and that hurts so much... and l,ike my therapist said, it's not my fault, it's a defencese mechanism..... however, his words don't make the pain go away, you know.
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Re: serious question, about smarts and mental disorders.,

-I think that having a high IQ sometimes comes with a high level of introspection;
then there is a natural jealousy of "success";
-and then if you are being your natural, true self and "show" your intelligence ( and this absolutely does not mean bragging or showing off), well people become suspicious or find it odd or pretentious;
-if you have some noticeable comorbid, some people really don't believe you can produce anything acceptable in the first place, let alone brilliant work.
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Re: serious question, about smarts and mental disorders.,

stef, don't introspect like that, I'm just, hurting right now, I know now how the super ego agency in myself and others behaves, the you statments are always a reflection in some capacity, and damnit,
I don't want to end up like my mother in that regard.

I emplr you stef to to undo that reflective statment for your own good, in your own person perhaps, like pave over the you statment with another you statment, I don';t want to wound anyone.

so I gota get stronger to not wound those that I don't mean to wound (that is everone), this past year has been eye opening to say the least. no not hte past year, the past week.
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Re: serious question, about smarts and mental disorders.,

I'm sorry, I don't understand; This has caused me no distress, and I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings. also, perhaps I misunderstood your post.

it's kind of a conclusion I've come to over the past months and really, I'm very much at peace with this whole issue, at last.
which really started in first grade - I could already read, but could not understand the teacher's instructions...
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Re: serious question, about smarts and mental disorders.,

same. you statments are always inner and not outer statments, something that I have been really trying to understand lately.

sort of like the frued aperature, the you is the cart, the I is the driver and the it is a horse, it's taken a while to realize this in myself and for others, from my understanding that is a smart persons delimna, however, if a person doesn't have them in them,(like others) then a you statment is, I think, talking directly to the other person. or when you specify the other person (heh, the other person not being self)

no one in my family believes in me, except for perhaps my brother. he was the golden child, I was the ghost child and my sister the scapegoat. I've never lived up to my potential because of my mothers iron reign, and that is mostly what therapy has been about, connecting all those dots. it's hard, when you (self reflection) knows that you are really smart however, your mother (my mother) commands with a you statment (refractive I think, turns the brain into gue unless you know how to dismiss projections), to say " can you do these two very simple things", makes you think you can't handle things you can(self reflective).

ehh I'm sorry, just sort of, down tonight and need to vent.
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Re: serious question, about smarts and mental disorders.,

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-I think that having a high IQ sometimes comes with a high level of introspection;
then there is a natural jealousy of "success";
-and then if you are being your natural, true self and "show" your intelligence ( and this absolutely does not mean bragging or showing off), well people become suspicious or find it odd or pretentious;
-if you have some noticeable comorbid, some people really don't believe you can produce anything acceptable in the first place, let alone brilliant work.
Who do you think gets jealous of success? The high IQ people about each other or lower IQ people? Or do you mean that lower IQ people are jealous of the success or intelligence of higher IQ people. I know that I feel like my IQ is average and the closest official test I ever took gave me a score that implied I am way more dumber than I think. This upset me because I do not feel as "low" as this score indicated but people say these tests are scientifically accurate predictors and indicators of intelligence so I have to suck it up. And long time ago I read something about emotional IQ being a possible thing where your ability to communicate with others and express compassion and empathy to a broad spectrum of the population meant that you had a high emotional IQ. I do not know what became of that information. I have always been called precocious and wellspoken, but who can be those things and still have a horrible IQ result?
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Re: serious question, about smarts and mental disorders.,

You can have an IQ test, it is measurable
"you don't have to believe" or "you don't have to know"

I almost heard this sentence from people who have mental illness

it is nothing but a consolation, a lie that we can tell ourselves

but if it is really like that then we should have an IQ test

Feeling special or having higher IQ doesnt change the fact that people suffer from mental disorder

I completely against this idea that "hey mental illness is a sign of higher IQ, being smart"

there is no such mystery or myth, it is researchable .

i will talk for myself , i really don't need that kind of consolation or a lie which can keep me happy

i don't need to feel blessed

people with mental disorders can be smart , can have high IQ or average or below average

there is no concrete proof that which shows there is a correlation between "being smart" and mental disorders
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Not understanding this thread. Are you asking if being super smart also tied to a deficit?
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Like mensa only able to lie about it more with no one in person to talk to.
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Re: serious question, about smarts and mental disorders.,

My experience goes like this, that I want to be really careful about generalizing about them, because this tends to create distance, and I grew up with mechanisms of compulsive distancing. I ended up not just feeling but being quity lonely and kind of neurotic. And there is a lot of this represented in what I call the "top gun" clubs. Some feed off this, the one-upsmanships, gaming to win. Others are simply really good in what they do, some people are just amazingly smart. But being outside the statistical norm invariably brings attention, and sometimes this is not always positive. Some people are naturally highly abrasive so the s..t doesn't stick. For others, like me it takes a lot of energy and work to take my stand and not fall down to the safety of being average. So if I am there, I've got to find a way to learn to feel pretty good about myself, what I represent, how I express myself, what I am doing and where I am going. And sometimes it helps to make connections with different kinds of people. Met a woman in the park walking her dog. We talked about life, dogs, walking, the weather, global warming, the holidays. Sometimes that's all it takes
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Re: serious question, about smarts and mental disorders.,

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I just need to vent. I loged on to the smart profile on facebook I haven't loged onto for a while, and looked at what other people where going through.

and I'm sorry, I know that I am blessed with a high iq and I don't want to come off as higher than anyone becuase I know that I am not, everyone is of equal value.

but damn man, it seems that every high iq person has something, dyslexia, comorbids, adhd. I've just been able o self reflect, and I don't know if it's because of my adhd or over controlling parents. I find myself asking myself "why is my family screwed up", then I witness my mother refracting behaviors that my father and other family members internolizes and I have to try my damndestto keep my cool, remembering everything that my therapist has said.

it just, you knoiw, it just seems cruel that the smartest have to live inside themselves, inside myself.. dr jordan peterson said that " people don't want to hear about hte internal lives of the smart and creatives in this world", and ya, he is right. if I show my stuff in any domain, I get ridiculed , even in guitar playing, yet this person, this me, is supposed to keep on keeping on when only a handfull of people can get me. to be humbell in that respect can be, difficult,m however it's on me (and in me) to keep on being humble (ehh, not this thread,exactly sorry everyone)

I can do it, I know it, I can give it my all, I have to say "screw the haters", just keep on keeping on, be the best I know that I am capable of being, you know you can (self reflection) in all of my work.

however, when I give my all, when I give it all I can people stair. I didn't miss the stellar mark, something my therapist reminds me off(or something I remember him saying to me, you know, where the id is known the ego is or something), however keeping the balance is an act of faith into itself. others don't beleive in me, so I have to believe in myself, that is a tall order, people don't think I can, but I know I can, that is a tall order, yet even talking about smarts get's people riled up yet I'm supposed to keep on keeping on, crap man, that is almost encermountable when everyone is against you (self reflection). when people ask how do you do that and, hey, I have a 12 page report, they don't beleive ... ehh, don't wound self Drog.... THAT is what I've been doing lately mentally, yet the same people that would wound me, would have me give a you statment to wound myself, are there, at every turn of the page. and their is still this gaping trust wound that my mother, ehh, "hhelped instill"

I guess, if anyone is willingm to provide a link to why it is that smart people, specificly, usually have some sort of thing to overcome. I'm just tired tonight, and needed to vent for a bit, seeing those similar to myself, struggeling with the same issues man,, it's hard to know that this is the case sometime. I have to study transactional analysis to be who I am to not **** others off, when it seems that, others are just overly ambisious to walk over me and still, I have to fly like the pheonix to not walk on eggshells anymore, a balancing act to be sure.

sorry, my weill right now is faultering a bit, time for bed
Well, I didn't read the entire rant, but a fact comes to mind, that along with all great creativity and/or intelligence comes a bit of madness. The minds that leave the safe shoals of where most people muck around their whole lives always bring back a bit of darkness from whence they ventured.
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Re: serious question, about smarts and mental disorders.,

ehh, sorry all, I'm just working through a few things before I really get going, I think that the past week created some internal tension.

in the past I have been asked for, not help, but to be payed for answers in classes, when I showed what I can do in the past classes... ehh, not going there.
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