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Creativity and ADHD may share some common genetics

From
http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2010/12/...abilities.html

This is well worth reading for its constructive and evidence based approach.
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Both highly creative individuals and ADHD-diagnosed individuals often report feeling out of place, like a square peg in a round hole.

One of the reasons that both creative and ADHD persons feel “different” is that their attentional patterns often deviate from what we consider to be the norm, leading to an assortment of problematic results.


Whether in the classroom or the boardroom, both creative (C) and ADHD (AD) individuals are often disruptive. They may veer off task, interrupt frequently, ask inappropriate questions, appear moody or demanding, and derail the flow of progress. Cognitively, both AD’s and C’s may demonstrate distractibility, inattentiveness, lack of sustained attention, novelty-seeking and sensation-seeking, and appear to be academic underachievers.


These similarities form the basis of the “creative-upside-of-ADHD” theory that has been promoted in several recent books.




We now have several empirical studies that have tested this theory, and the results are somewhat inconclusive.



Most empirical studies have found that a larger than expected subset of ADHD individuals score above the mean on divergent thinking tests (a commonly-used measure of creative thinking ability).


The results of these studies make sense if we consider that creativity and ADHD may share some common genetic vulnerabilities which mediate underlying deviations in attention. These shared vulnerabilities may be expressed as either creative ability or a cognitive disorder (or both), depending upon the presence or absence of other cognitive strengths or deficits.



Shelley Carson is a Harvard psychologist and author of Your Creative Brain: Seven Steps to Maximize Imagination, Productivity and Innovation in Your Life, published by Jossey-Bass/Wiley.


Now to me this implies the questions of
1)What exactly are the cognitive areas in ADHD people that need strengthening, in order to allow us to access the benefits of our native capacity for divergent thinking?
2) What is the most efficient way to help the ADDer develop those cognitive strengths?
In other words a positive psychology approach. An important point is that a one size fits all program of any kind is likely to be unhelpful, as ADHD has so many different faces.

The trick is to realise that we may be accidentally boxed in to negative expectations if we carelessly use the term "Executive Functions".

For this reason I propose again that we refer to these functions as executive skills. That rephrasing carries an implicit expectation of a learnable skill. As we have seen elsewhere, our expectations are of great value in supporting the effort required to produce a positive outcome.


The book cited looks like a good start.
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Re: Creativity and ADHD may share some common genetics

Oh look, two different sets of people have similar features.

Watch how awesome this approach is:

Both people with ADHD and people with mental retardation tend to be enuretic early in life.

Both people with ADHD and people with mental retardation have trouble in a traditional classroom.

Both people with ADHD and people with mental retardation have a hard time following instructions that are not very explicit.

Both people with ADHD and people with mental retardation have the capacity to learn art.

Both people with ADHD and people with mental retardation have difficulty expressing their emotions early in life.

Both people with ADHD and people with mental retardation can be of any race or ethnicity.

Both people with ADHD and people with mental retardation have disorders that manifest early in childhood.

Both people with ADHD and people with mental retardation are often mistreated by peers and have difficulty with social interaction.

Behold! People with ADHD are retarded.

QED.




Edit: Also, divergent thinking is not the same thing as creativity no matter how hard you want to assert it is, and divergent thinking can be both an asset and a detriment depending on circumstance. Thinking divergently in many cases is not a good thing to do.

And as far as a positive psychology approach, applying positive psychology to classes undermines the entire point of strengthening individual strengths. The fact of the matter is that, by [i]this article's own admission[i], not all people with ADHD have more creative potential, nor are all people with ADHD more capable of divergent thinking. Trying to apply a method that emphasizes divergent thinking to all people with ADHD is not in line with a positive psychology approach. Instead, positive psychologists focus on individual traits and generally ignore diagnosis altogether.
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Re: Creativity and ADHD may share some common genetics

Education lays | (2 ends) or |- (3 ends) logical lego blocks down in the case of nonADD and ADD respectively.

nonADD

|
->- easier to lay down [to learn], easier to extend the mind.

ADD

|-
->- harder to lay down [to learn] because to store information, the ADD mind has the additional requirement of greater connectivity.

The third prong gives us our tendency towards divergence - going off at tangents - not being able to stick with a linear thread of thought.

So -

---1---
The developing, young ADD mind will appear easily disordered as it begins to lay down its mind (imagine to be a roadmap)
- because information doesn't 'stick' as easily as it does in the simpler infrastructure of the nonADD mind.
Information 'sticking' within context of ADD requires more interconnectivity.

---2---
It's harder for the ADDer to lay down a better (more efficient, more interconnected mind); the ADDer mind thrives on interconnections.

---3---
The basis of DIVERGENT THINKING is the extra prong.
-

---4---
So - a disordering requirement for more connections than are required by the nonADD mind (if exposed to a nonADD model for education).
The ADD mind wants to work on a holistic level - wants to gain the big picture, first.

---5---
As the roadmap becomes more detailed in the more connected model of mind underlying ADD - the increased connectivity permits the ADDer mind to see more
- to make connections which're simple for it, though impossible for a mind with a less complex internal infrastructure -
regardless of whether that other mind actually contains more information in its less complex structure.
The developed ADD mind then begins to THINK CREATIVELY.

---6---
So
- imagine the developed nonADD mind to look like a very long ladder (in the case of a nonADD 'molecular' expert)
and
- imagine the developed ADD mind to look like a relatively small spider's web.


Alternatively imagine the long ladder of nonADD to be a rose sucker and the spider's web of ADD to represeent a small, perfectly shaped rose bush.

---7---
Simply dfferent efficiencies or complexities of information storage.

---8---
A molecular expert with an ADD mind will have a detailed meshwork in one quadrant of the spider's web
- will be able to use the increased complexity of infrastructure of their mind
~that is~ the extra prong.
-
- to see more.

---9---
However ... ... ... better still when molecular experts with ADD minds combine to generate a detailed meshwork across the entire web.

Why ?

Because when we connect up all available information, and place it in order - we discover and in line with the mind representing just another evolutionary structure, like any other structure -
- we discover that there's a point to the mind which is completely unrelated to what it stores.

The point to the mind is formation of an optimal interconnected geometric structure.

This idea can be simplified if we wish to the idea that only a logically internally consistent model for social infrastructure is consistent with species survival.

Only an interconnected mind can guarantee species survival -
each idea needs to be predicated on another.

The species requires a 'spider's web' and not a 'ladder model' for mind.

All consistent with Systems Theory - though to be fair, with common sense also.

Unwieldy ladders tend to fall over in the wind, not so dodecahedral climbing frames.

If we generate a mind which we state is consistent with species survival
- though isn't -
- then species survival is far from assured -
and especially so when the logical model precursor to the small, sustainable, balanced rose bush
- is the virulent rose sucker -
which like the measure for success for a virus simply overcomes host (planetary sustainability) quicker.

Too many words !


Summary

[1] The ADDer mind is harder to fill because it requires greater connectivity than current teaching practices allow.
DIVERGENT THINKING.

[2] The ADDer mind which is built demonstrates creativity because of the increased connectivity of infrastructure which defines their mind.
CREATIVE THINKING

[3] However - the joke is on us (nonADDers and ADDers alike) - because when we connect up molecular ADDer minds from all molecular disciplines - we find that what the mind knows is a 'red herring'.

[4] The purpose of mind (put in place at the emergence of mind at the speciation of man) was to build a structure, which could then simply be pushed to one side.

~*~

Using a simple common sense argument.

Using the nonADD model for mind - when will we have acquired enough information; there is no end-point to mind in the nonADD world view.

I'm suggesting that the combined viewpoint of internal reality (the human mind) formed through combining all available ADD molecular expertise - is that the purpose of mind is to generate a balanced, internally consistent structure of mind - which throws an off switch on the need to continue development of mind and which opens a door to a series of changes within the organism which lead to the organism being happy.

A state of mind in which the grass is green wherever.
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Re: Creativity and ADHD may share some common genetics

At the speciation of modern man (emergence of the human mind) we were tasked with the construction of the human mind.

The addictive drive (internal biochemical) was harnessed to make sure that we completed the task.

The alcoholic NEEDS alcohol - cannot choose to abstain.

The exact same internal mechanism which prevents the alcoholic from choosing to abstain from alcohol was ACTUALLY put in place (co-opted) to prevent human beings from choosing NOT to complete mind.

The previous paragraph needs to be re-written in a manner which creates the impression that evolution has a method for ensuring evolution -
from religion - the phrase
'his will be done' ... ... ...

The true basis to the addictive drive (which becomes waylaid in damaging addictive behaviours - anything-oholics) was as a necessary in-built motivation which drove us towards construction of structure of mind.

That previous paragraph also needs re-writing - the intention is simply to allude to a mechanism in nature which
(now shifting to man)
... ... is at play in our case - which we were not 'privy' to - which we could not be 'privy' to - to ensure process completion.

We've (as of relatively recently) as evidenced by our arrival at a Theory of Everything (a geometric model to evolution which operates through synergistic combination of male-female archetypes (spin-state complementarity)) ... ... ...

We've (as of relatively recently) reached the point at which the addictive, unrelenting, thumping drive (to complete mind) can be cast off.

Does this mean that we'll no longer have any requirement for the human mind ?

No - we'll still use the human mind - though SUSTAINABLY so.

By completing mind and gaining freedom from that addictive (unthinking) drive to complete mind - individual's are freed and shift their allegiance from
individual first ->- into ->-species first -
egotistical behaviour is lost -

- not a forced shift of allegiance - a natural shift of allegiance which occurs because of a shift in the structure of mind which returns logical to proper species level behaviour -
where the mind (at completion) shifts the individual away from imprisonment to the addictive mechanism into -
if we want to be negative -
imprisonment to logical consistency ('enforced logical consistency' Stabile) ... ... ...

- a transition which places a new (the informational) rather than the chemical reward system in place -

in which the individual is effectively 'freed from (chemical) desire'.

The freedom from desire is a little misleading - freedom from 'chemical' desires which require limiting raw materials (and that which, consequently, hurt other people in the process of embibing) is more to the point.

There are still needs - just sustainably so.

We still breathe.

~*~

Simple posts become complicated

Summarising


The developed ADD mindset is a sustainable mindset because it is completely internally logically consistent with happy species survival.
If our behaviour is constrained to doing what is logically best for happy species survival - then the species survives.
Constraining the individual's behaviour to internal logical consistency is achieved through enhanced connectivity in the infrastructure which underlies the individual's mind.

This is achieved through nothing more than use of an additional 'prong' on the logical building block which scales to build mind.

Summarising using as negative a perspective as is possible for the ADDer

Slavery to the neurochemical mechanism in the nonADDer gives way to slavery to logical consistency in the ADDer
- as the key determinant of behaviour.
Now imagine what happens when we place people who want to deliver a fair society amongst people who cannot help but not.

ADDers become disordered.The ADDer will be considered unsuccessful and unmotivated by the nonADDer - because the nonADDer is using a different model of success.

The ADDer can't strive to discriminate themself using any method which necessitates harm to others - it's against our prime directive -
is not rewarding.

The thought of making more money than another person results in us wondering whether the other person, though, needs it more than we do
- whether we're making other people's lives worse through indulging in such behaviour.

The ADDer will most likely find it difficult to become educated - because the things which nonADDers do will make no sense; nonADDers find retaining disconnected facts easier - ADDers are left wondering if we've missed the point ... ... ...

The ADDer who is poorly educated will not be able to attain reward (a balanced mind is required) - and so will need to turn to lower methods for reward - will become more susceptible to damaging addictions - to risky behaviour - of necessity (in many cases) to criminal behaviour.

Stopping there -

each of these posts turn into a bottom-up top-down re-cap of the problems which occur in society if there're two types of mind calling the shots.

Very simply - a society needs to be built around the most logical model for all of species well-being.
The developed nonADD mind unlike the developed ADD mind is capable of pursuing egotistical avenues.

If we simply look at the relationship between Plato/Socrates and the Sophists
- we see the relationship between ADD and nonADD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophism

These are the two types of mind -
with the information age heralding the selection and emergence of the 'Plato/Socratic' model of mind over the Sophist model.

From exclusively egotistical to species-friendly.

The Plato/Socratic model for mind can be seen in the religious prophets also -
simply emergents who became well known because they were so different

- emergents heralding the arrival of the 'brood'

- a 'brood' in which the underlying structure of mind is increased just a little - generating an increasing informational entropy -
because a species which is not connected together contains no more information than an isolated individual.

~*~

Creativity -
the fundamental definition - the process of generation of mind from nothing
- a process which was necessary from the time-point of the original speciation event.

Examine the histrical records of all of the great minds and there is a commonality -
a moral stand-point

- I'm not aware of any of the great emergents who taught the acquisition of material gain as part of their doctrine.

~*~

We're looking at nothing more complicated than the formation of a social structure.

The developed ADD mind is enforced to logical consistency with happy species survival.

~*~

So absolutely yes - in current nonADD social context - ADD causes a profoundly DISORDERED mind therefore BODY; we're meant to be disordered if we behave in a manner which runs counter to logic.
We're meant to take the disorder, work out what causes it, explain ourselves logically and change society in accordance with what we know (and can explain clearly) to be right.
Except NOBODY'S listening (can listen) - because it's like telling an alcoholic not to drink alcohol -
they hear, understand, though are completely unable to heed your words.

Just want another drink - another paper in a high impact journal - that next grant - a 'Professorship' - to be given a place on a grant awarding committee - to have a television program shaped around their life's work - to be invited and paid handsomely to give a lecture in a private University - to be known and considered better than the rest -

'cept they're not.

Human beings are all of the exact same worth.

The entire infrastructure of the nonADD mind and hence the entire infrastructure of the society which the nonADD mind creates is rotten; this is entirely to be expected given a model of evolution.

We can't just evolve a species 'then and there' - there needs to be a process of change -
- that process of change occurring most visibly over the last 6,000 years with the entire body of recorded information (the written word) defining (if we scratch the surface) just one transition.

From global Emperor (physical hierarchy) ->- into ->- happy individual, individual empowering, autonomous pure republic/anarchy (Plato/Chomsky).

~*~

The simplest way to do this 'd be to generate an automated method for putting in place underground homes (which don't need to be heated)
- with all people contributing on a rota basis to work upon a communal co-operative farm -
- working for their own food -

hopefully won't require more than an afternoon a week.

In this type of society the individual can live out a happy life (food and heat supplies for free to all people and sustainably) without doing anything other than their 1/2 a day (or whatever) on the local farm.

Hopefully the individual will choose to do a little more for species well-being -
but it's not absolutely required.

A free society - in which the individual within only the remit of sustainability is freed to take a chance.

No matter what s/he does or whether s/he fails - s/he'll still have warmth and something to eat, and if all the individual wants is to daydream all day -
then if that's what they like - then that's what they can expect ... ... ...

I would though suggest that the ADD mindset is (I believe) defined on its need to build something socially worthwhile.

The bottom line though is that we don't require anything more (at least anything more that we don't already have fully autonomous technology for) than heat/food.
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Re: Creativity and ADHD may share some common genetics

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I would though suggest that the ADD mindset is (I believe) defined on its need to build something socially worthwhile; that the ADD mind doesn't understand the idea of retirement; that the ADD mind can't understand why one would want to retire from some socially worthwhile pursuit which it enjoys and is good at ... ... ... would rather work until death... ... ...
nonADD ways are very strange.

Apparently people believe that they'll be paid a pension after 40 years at work; all that the individual who pays a pension is paying for - is a life of luxury in the here and now for the financial sector worker who slices off a recurring arrangement fee.

There's no way of knowing what'll happen in 40 years and the stock market really won't keep going up.

Imagine the approaching reality of a pension being worth less than the amount put in.
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Re: Creativity and ADHD may share some common genetics

So what is creativity ?
Connected thinking.

From zero (at the speciation of man) back to zero (when all of the dots are connected).

From individual to species.

The same basic structure - though a hierarchical level above -
the evolutionary theme.

~*~

We don't need to consider the details of formation of the mind if we don't wish (connectivity/the mirror neurone/empathy/group mind)
- but we do need to use it.

Right now as we debate the nature of {mind,creativity,motivation}
a Looney Tunes character is holding a naked flame up to a lighter fuse labelled 'to burn Rome, ignite here'.

So ... ...

creativity - the process of building mind.
Once built - the individual can see clearly.

The mind is a species (our equivalent of the mechanism enforcing social behaviour in certain insect species) level construct - and is interested in pursuing a sustainable model for all of species happy scalable living.

Individuals cannot do this in the present nonADD global community of only {money,property,ownership} -
Rome needs to burn

- we do though need a simple replacement system.

The replacement system needs to be crafted to ensure that it's {workable,sustainable}.

Only holistic ADD minds can truly see the urgency for (and therefore become motivated to) action.

The mind which is not fully connected cannot feel the urgency for action.

We don't need to understand the mind if we don't want - but we do need to use it.

Collapsing money without global agreement on what happens next will result in the historical motif of a Sophist demagogue with well armed and tended for soldiers picking up where all of the very many dictators from planetary history left off.

We need to be on the same page.

~*~

An interesting question might be whether the global economic system was engineered to fall ?
The Federal Reserve mechanism of expanding the money supply is too crazy not to have been architected with the collapse of money in mind.

It's also worth mentioning that generating a system which allows us to 'march to the top of the hill' (in terms of human population) would have been much harder than working out (as we find ourselves currently) needing to develop an architecture which'll allow us (the human population) to 'march them down again'.
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nonADD

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ADD

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Summarising

Divergent thinking, creativity, ADD == -
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Re: Creativity and ADHD may share some common genetics

Rather than disagree about what the {mind, creativity} ~etc~ is
wouldn't it be better to see if we can reach agreement on something useful ?

As far as I can see, I don't think that there's anybody who'll disagree that human beings need just a few basic things like food and heat -
- and I don't think that anybody can form an argument against sustainability -

... ... and so why don't we simply generate a sustainable system which provides heat and food to all people in the species ?

If there're any other agreements which we can arrive at - then they can be thrown into this scheme, also -
- however a guarantee of sustainably delivered food and heat is enough, if further agreement (of human needs) cannot be arrived at.

We can jettison all research into physics, chemistry, genetics ~etc~ and allow all people to just live out their lives in sustainable bliss.

Honestly - why don't we see what we can usefully agree upon ? instead of playing the devils advocate/sophist game of attempting to prove ourselves through disagreement.

It's simple to disagree - much harder to make constructive progress.

I'm assuming that all people accept the need for {food, heat and sustainability} for all people.

It's a little sad if the species can't progress more beyond agreement of these 3 basic needs - but if that's the way it has to be.

Of note - ADHD would cease to be a problem in a global society in which all people are guaranteed access to food and heat (both sustainably), and in which any other behaviours which people then choose to engage in, are similarly constrained to the single rule of sustainability.

Of note, the single rule of sustainability isn't a rule which human beings put in place - it's a necessary condition of our tenure on the planet.
As referenced yesterday on a sepearate thread in the science subforum - Alain de Botton describes how human beings boast the novel characteristic of self-worship.

It's possible (and necessary) for us to lose this attribute - described by Richard Dawkins as the 'God delusion' - or in common conversation as the 'ego' -
- and the easiest and most common sense approach to achieving this much needed quality would be for us to face up to the limitations which we are under due to planetary context.

To have a series of graphs showing the rate at which we're using up limiting resources based on a reasonable estimation of the amount which we were provided.

Human beings aren't (at birth) programmed to do the 'right' thing - are capable, until we acquire mind, to do whatever it takes to pursue our own exclusively own selfish agenda
- and that is the measure of success in this world currently.

A nonADD model of success which reflects capacity to behave selfishly.

However ... ... ... none of the above matters - we can simply stop at the global supply of heat and food sustainably to all people and then never do a single thing again -
if we so wish.

Simply wake up, go for a walk and then a few hours later go to sleep
- if there's nothing else that we as a planet can agree on is worthy AND SUSTAINABLE.
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So what is creativity ?
Connected thinking.

From zero (at the speciation of man) back to zero (when all of the dots are connected).

From individual to species.

The same basic structure - though a hierarchical level above -
the evolutionary theme.

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We don't need to consider the details of formation of the mind if we don't wish (connectivity/the mirror neurone/empathy/group mind)
- but we do need to use it.

Right now as we debate the nature of {mind,creativity,motivation}
a Looney Tunes character is holding a naked flame up to a lighter fuse labelled 'to burn Rome, ignite here'.

So ... ...

creativity - the process of building mind.
Once built - the individual can see clearly.

The mind is a species (our equivalent of the mechanism enforcing social behaviour in certain insect species) level construct - and is interested in pursuing a sustainable model for all of species happy scalable living.

Individuals cannot do this in the present nonADD global community of only {money,property,ownership} -
Rome needs to burn

- we do though need a simple replacement system.

The replacement system needs to be crafted to ensure that it's {workable,sustainable}.

Only holistic ADD minds can truly see the urgency for (and therefore become motivated to) action.

The mind which is not fully connected cannot feel the urgency for action.

We don't need to understand the mind if we don't want - but we do need to use it.

Collapsing money without global agreement on what happens next will result in the historical motif of a Sophist demagogue with well armed and tended for soldiers picking up where all of the very many dictators from planetary history left off.

We need to be on the same page.

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An interesting question might be whether the global economic system was engineered to fall ?
The Federal Reserve mechanism of expanding the money supply is too crazy not to have been architected with the collapse of money in mind.

It's also worth mentioning that generating a system which allows us to 'march to the top of the hill' (in terms of human population) would have been much harder than working out (as we find ourselves currently) needing to develop an architecture which'll allow us (the human population) to 'march them down again'.
Very nicely put SB.

Connected thinking is very much the essence of it.
People like Deepak Chopra talk at length about being open to seeing coincidences.
I have come up with quite a few good ideas over the last year- and it really comes down to 3 basic items.

1) Having a curious sort of mind that pokes its nose into all sorts of areas and acquires all sorts of information. The more random facts that I accumulate- the greater the chance that 2 of them will bump into each other and recombine in a useful way.
Whatever any of the nay sayers say- this is home ground for adult ADHD. I find that working in this area (over 1/2 of every working day now) is a teal trap. The people I meet may be "dysfunctional" by some people's judgmental standards, but they are absolute goldmines of information. Almost every one ( except for 1or 2 who have become very depressed and despondent) I have met has some hidden talent, some special interest, and every one has gone into great detail in collecting and correlating the information. I spend time on this stuff- as I can use it to show them just how functional they can be in the right circumstances. However- the consultation time can blow out quite badly- not easy with a young daughter who still is better being picked up from school.

2) Being still enough and having a mind uncluttered enough to see the connections. When my ADHD was playing up- this was hit and miss. However first the dexamphetamine, then the mediation resolved that problem.

3) A mind that refuses to be bound by traditional ways of thinking, one that refuses to take anything on somebody else's say so.
( This is actually the same characteristic that can if mishandled evolve into oppositional defiant disorder, and I think we see some elements of that in one of the earlier responses to my initial post).

With 1 and 2 together new connections between information sets are easy to see, and with the support of 3 they are not dismissed as they arise.

The question then becomes- what does one do with the creative correlation one has made. All too often in ADD it gets lost, because we are too busy or too stressed, or bringing the idea to fruition is too complex and tedious. That used to be the way I was- and many other ADDers too- but it is remediable.

The bottom line is that every time we look at a situation and respond to it as an individual, without waiting for somebody else's permission to think or speak, that is an example of creativity.
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Oh look, two different sets of people have similar features.

Watch how awesome this approach is:

Both people with ADHD and people with mental retardation tend to be enuretic early in life.

Both people with ADHD and people with mental retardation have trouble in a traditional classroom.

Both people with ADHD and people with mental retardation have a hard time following instructions that are not very explicit.

Both people with ADHD and people with mental retardation have the capacity to learn art.

Both people with ADHD and people with mental retardation have difficulty expressing their emotions early in life.

Both people with ADHD and people with mental retardation can be of any race or ethnicity.

Both people with ADHD and people with mental retardation have disorders that manifest early in childhood.

Both people with ADHD and people with mental retardation are often mistreated by peers and have difficulty with social interaction.

Behold! People with ADHD are retarded.

QED.




Edit: Also, divergent thinking is not the same thing as creativity no matter how hard you want to assert it is, and divergent thinking can be both an asset and a detriment depending on circumstance. Thinking divergently in many cases is not a good thing to do.

And as far as a positive psychology approach, applying positive psychology to classes undermines the entire point of strengthening individual strengths. The fact of the matter is that, by [i]this article's own admission[i], not all people with ADHD have more creative potential, nor are all people with ADHD more capable of divergent thinking. Trying to apply a method that emphasizes divergent thinking to all people with ADHD is not in line with a positive psychology approach. Instead, positive psychologists focus on individual traits and generally ignore diagnosis altogether.
I would argue that divergent thinking is necessary but not sufficient for creativity.
I would argue that divergent thinking is always an asset, unless one is at risk of violent persecution for exhibiting individuality. ( There is very clear evidence that Hitler had divergent thinkers and ADHD types marked out for the extermination camps).
I would argue that it is reasonable and helpful to develop our assets.
At no point did I suggest that all ADHD people were good at divergent thinking- that point was a creation of your own ( see- it can be done).
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