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Are you play-deprived ?
Let's try out the rat hypothesis:
Have you played with your father a rough-n-tumble-like play before the age of 2 ? The hypothsis holds if not, your PFC is underdeveloped.
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mildadhd (02-12-19) |
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Re: Are you play-deprived ?
Why does it have to be rough and tumble? And why your dad and not the mom?
Do parents even play R&T with their kids anymore? Feels like more toys than anything. Carrying and swinging I guess - does that count? |
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Re: Are you play-deprived ?
Does anyone remember what happened before the age of 2? Or even 3?
I sure don't/can't.
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I think my play system is more bottom up active, due to a slight lack of top down regulation, and "rat ruff and tumble play" is a primary brain processing benchmark, for homologous primary brain processing mammalian ruff and tumble play systems. Rats, humans, and all other mammals exhibit some basic fun form of play, aka ruff and tumble play, running, jumping, etc... The fact that all mammals have the same basic instinct to play, with out having the same prefrontal cortex, biologically, is fascinating. Sensory, emotional and bodily distress systems inhibit the play system. Fun human ruff and tumble play in early life with a primary caregiver, promotes development in areas of the brain, from the brain stem to the prefrontal cortex, in rats and humans. The inner subcortical play system matures before the prefrontal cortex. As the prefrontal cortex matures, the prefrontal cortex develops more top down control of our subcortical play system, (a source of many ADHD paradoxes"?) M
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userguide (01-27-19) |
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Re: Are you play-deprived ?
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1. Probably siblngs would do as well (I am not sure if young girls egage in R&T) ![]() 2. I don't remember either, I found out I didn't play though 3. No, carrying and swinging and other mommy things do not count as play in light of these findings. Probably only boys of small enough age difference could do, or fathers (grands?)
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Carrying and swinging was actually what my dad did with me, I don't think rough and tumble, carrying and swinging, etc. are gender specific. I suspect you don't need rough and tumble type play to develop your mind. I can see how mice might need it as they need to be able to physically defend themselves in their lives but us humans, well we don't. I kind of even wonder if we might be less aggressive and better humans if we don't engage in rough play when young. I mean, I wish toxic masculinity didn't exist. We would be better off if humans were more peace loving. That's all conjecture though. |
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Re: Are you play-deprived ?
Play-deprivation partially due to...depending on individual circumstances..
-underaroused play system (biological temperament)? -underaroused/overaroused play system partially as a result of underactive neocortical maturation? [underactive neocortical maturation partially due to early overarousal of bodily, sensory and emotional distress systems?] -underactive play-environment/relationship? -? -? M?
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userguide (02-02-19) |
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Re: Are you play-deprived ?
I didn't notice the link has double "http", might be my adhd://, use this one:
www.scholarpedia.org/article/Rough_and_Tumble_Play The R&T is hypothesised to engage some evolutionary old neural circuits, it is exlplained in the article. It's apparently different from grooming or swinging or other "noncombative" activities moms usually play with kids. Your declaration inspired a hypothesis: Why such a surge of ADHD diagnoses in recent decades? - Some parents stopped playing R&T with kids so that they won't be aggressive. (Remember I was first with this explanation )
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diagnoses. Some doctors are still catching up the idea that girls may have adhd and that many children often don't "outgrow it." So those girls and adults who are being diagnosed accounts for much of the rise in diagnoses.
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Yes, I do think that this problem contributes significantly to neurodevelopmental issues, such as generalized anxiety, ADHD, etc. |
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Re: Are you play-deprived ?
Yeah. I hated the it. Too many sensory issues.
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mildadhd (02-12-19) |
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But not all people with AD(H)D. I had lots of early supervised play. (Helped me to develop lots of coping mechanism and I am guessing probabably why I was not diagnosed until the age of 35, after having a back injury that interfered with physical coping mechanism I had developed) I think I was born with a more sensitive temperament to distresses, due to pre and post natal adoption distresses, that shaped my affective and cognitive brain development. There are many different internal and external causes of distresses that could interfere with healthy play. The individual specifics depend on individual temperament and individual circumstances. Children do not play when distressed. M
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Re: Are you play-deprived ?
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Carrying and swinging, tumbling and tumbling, tumbling and swinging, seek and hide, hide and peek, etc.. Especially with a primary caregiver. Quote:
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