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Old 04-13-17, 06:49 PM
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Re: The Holy Grail? -Desoxyn Journal

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Generally, amphetamine psychosis occurs in doses well above the therapeutic limit. And the jury is still out as to whether meth is actually neurotoxic at low doses.

Desoxyn (or any stimulant) is generally recognized as safe at doses at or below the therapeutic limit. It's only contraindicated in individuals who have a history of prior psychosis, high blood pressure or cardiovascular disease.

The user you mentioned may have been abusing his medication, or was already schizophrenic and would've had a psychotic break regardless of stimulant use.
How would one determine the therapeutic limit? Ive seen some on 15mg/day others up to 70mg/day.
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Re: The Holy Grail? -Desoxyn Journal

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How would one determine the therapeutic limit? Ive seen some on 15mg/day others up to 70mg/day.
I believe the FDA-recommended maximum dose is 30 mg a day. Usually 20-25 mg a day is the effective dose. 70 mg is pretty high.

The potency of D-Methamphetamine is roughly 2:1 over D-Amphetamine, but it's subjective effects seem quite different. In most cases, D-Meth doesn't feel as "speedy" as D-Amp.

So, 70 mg of D-Meth could be equivalent to 140 mg of D-Amp. YMMV.
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Re: The Holy Grail? -Desoxyn Journal

The bad thing about methamphetamine is that it's neurotoxic at high doses. Because of the stigma against it, it's evidently super expensive, and hard to come by. They're hesitant to prescribe it, because I suppose the DEA pays extra close attention to who is prescribing it and how much.

I can imagine at an equivalent dose, methamphetamine being relaxing. Of common ADHD meds it's probably the most similar to dexedrine and/or Vyvanse, and I thought Vyvanse was very calming. I am way more chilled and calm on Vyvanse (so I suppose, also, dextroamphetamine), and Adderall as well, compared to Ritalin. Ritalin, to me, has more physical stimulation, and I am just a lot more cold, emotionless, and down to business on Ritalin than amphetamines.

I have never taken desoxyn, but I did try meth and coke in the past. Of course I was taking probably 20x a therapeutic dose, and cramming it up my nose instead of taking it orally. Therefore the effects were nothing that would be helpful in the least, unless reorganizing the silverware drawer 18x or making a boat out of cardboard is useful. Also who knows what was in it?

For that reason I cannot recommend this.

I don't think it's unusual at all to find adderall and dextroamphetamine relaxing, and I would not be surprised if 5 or 10 mg of prescription methamphetamine would be as well. But the other things are working okay for me, my insurance covers them, they aren't stigmatized, and are less neurotoxic, although maybe at such low doses, desoxyn isn't harmful, either.
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Re: The Holy Grail? -Desoxyn Journal

Desoxyn fascinates me as a pharmaceutical medication rather than a street drug. I was at one time an abuser of street meth as well; street meth is a very different (and impure) animal. Unless you had Heisenberg making your meth, it could consist of really... well... anything. Drug dealers are not honest, scrupulous people concerned with the public's health. Route of administration is a big factor too, and inhaling 250 mg dirty meth into your bloodstream has an entirely different result than ingesting a 5 mg "clean" pill. Same goes for snorting (which is far less efficient that smoking).

The potential to have mostly the cognitive improvements, without the "speedy" feeling, appeals to me. I would be sharper, more measured, and more organized without the artificial gregariousness. I wouldn't have to deal with weird (yet harmless) sensations in my chest, or the occasional feeling of a lump in my throat. I want the cogntive enhancements, without the other stimulating effects, at the lowest dose possible.

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Re: The Holy Grail? -Desoxyn Journal

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Desoxyn fascinates me as a pharmaceutical medication rather than a street drug. I was at one time an abuser of street meth as well; street meth is a very different (and impure) animal. Unless you had Heisenberg making your meth, it could consist of really... well... anything. Drug dealers are not honest, scrupulous people concerned with the public's health. Route of administration is a big factor too, and inhaling 250 mg dirty meth into your bloodstream has an entirely different result than ingesting a 5 mg "clean" pill. Same goes for snorting (which is far less efficient that smoking).

The potential to have mostly the cognitive improvements, without the "speedy" feeling, appeals to me. I would be sharper, more measured, and more organized without the artificial gregariousness. I wouldn't have to deal with weird (yet harmless) sensations in my chest, or the occasional feeling of a lump in my throat. I want the cogntive enhancements, without the other stimulating effects, at the lowest dose possible.
I dont think they inhale 250mg because i read somewhere on this forum that lethal dose is 125 mg.

Dismayed that i am, i have no choice but to rely on the 'animal' because my country makes adhd meds illegal due to widespread abuse. They have some off-record Bangladesh(or pakistan) 10mg ritalin available which costs around 3.5 USD. I take 20mg and wont feel a thing. What is probably worse is most of the psychiatrists themselves are not familiar with add.One doc pleaded me not to take ritalin because you are only 'ADHD' when you are a child and have 'hyperkinetivity'. One assistant prof doc with a med student beside him, didnt believe i have add when i told him i think i have add. He said if i was, i would have been diagnosed since i was a child. Now that i think about it, i become furious. That day he could had killed my life if i was to believe him. Whats more, there will be multiplier effect as he failed as a teacher. He prescribed me Lecithin(yea i am no doctor but please stop trying to tame the bane inside me by throwing flower petals at it!!!). He asked me to come back again in 2 weeks times. I didnt go back, to see a asst prof psychiatrist in private hospital put heavy dents on my wallet. Though, half of the doctors i met were very understanding and willing to help me. They wrote ritalin prescriptions for me thereby endangering their license because ritalin is classified under 'illegal drugs'. Though of cuz the catch here is that there is no ritalin here except one.
It is sad to think that there are tens of thousands others undiagnosed in my country who wont make it so far in life despite them trying so hard shedding blood, sweat and tears EVERYDAY. Well, this is not your Merkel's Germany or Uncle Sam's America i guess.

Anyway, this 'animal'. i had taken for two months already. It costs around 3USD and packs a 45mg punch. Well
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