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Old 09-25-09, 06:44 PM
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Measuring Working Memory

I thought this deserves a separate thread.

Can anyone tell me if the measurement of working memory in neuropsychological testing is able to distinguish between actual working memory, and the amount of working memory that a person is able to bring to bear on a given problem?
Also it occurs to me that IQ tests and so forth are actually rather dull, and could provoke anxiety in an insecure person- and measurement by the standard testing process could be quite unrepresentative of true working memory.
In other words - neuropsychological testing may only be measuring working memory in the test situation.
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In other words - neuropsychological testing may only be measuring working memory in the test situation.

Therefore giving instead an unmeasured level of comparative (and unquantifiable) anxiety (comparing stress levels) between people who are otherwise equally competent. Good point. So, does my anxiety cause a (neural) dysfunction or does a (neural) dysfunction cause me anxiety?
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Re: Measuring Working Memory

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Re: Measuring Working Memory

The book "ADD in Adults: What the Science Says" by Barkely has a section on Neurophychological functioning. He cautions clinicians about relying on the specific test algorithms and results for the very reason you name. There appears to be a lot of variation in how ADDers perform on tests. I know for me if I'm in a clinical situation being tested my adrenaline kicks in a bit and I tend to focus. Give me the same test at 3:00 on a Friday in my office though and I can't imagine they wouldn't differ.
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