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Re: All disease is preventable

OK - becoming too complex

VERY SIMPLY - education (developing morality) within a moral society will have NO disease.


Maybe a generation or so to get the damage from out of our systems ... ... plastic pollution, nuclear pollution in seas, contaminated land, permaculture organic forests etc etc but ALL disease will be eradicated.

How will we die ? I can get the information if people find out how people on Mount Athos die.
IE what of, over what length of time ... ... but we'll far outstrip Athos as they only begin the healthy lifestyle at 30 years of age ... ... damage will have been done by then.
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You can undo a considerable amount of disease with an extended detox. Most people don't believe it though, because they're never willing to actually try it.
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You can undo a considerable amount of disease with an extended detox. Most people don't believe it though, because they're never willing to actually try it.
yes - https://news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-t...immune-system/


Interesting question - how much damage can be undone ?


I am advocating no damage though being done (to be clear) - though your point is going to apply in the transition from poor quality to higher quality life.


If your teeth fall out from decay or alveoli are destroyed to smoking - can't see there being any return to normality.
Anybody though can drop weight, become flexible, improve aerobic function ... ... ...
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Re: All disease is preventable

That question came up a little while ago - if chronic stress results in epigenetic modifications - can we assess them - and assess reversal. Maybe.



Be easier not to need to bother though by people living a life of eustress not distress.
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Re: All disease is preventable

Would better diet be healthier? For sure.

Would it prevent all disease and disorders? I'm very skeptical.
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OK - becoming too complex

VERY SIMPLY - education (developing morality) within a moral society will have NO disease.


Maybe a generation or so to get the damage from out of our systems ... ... plastic pollution, nuclear pollution in seas, contaminated land, permaculture organic forests etc etc but ALL disease will be eradicated.
There was disease prior to any sort of modern or “immoral” society. Throughout history, widespread famine and disease had slowed population growth. The leading killing diseases were tuberculosis, typhus, plague, and smallpox.

What about diseases caused by insects like malaria and others caused by virus’s, bacteria and fungi? How does a “moral” society prevent that?
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Re: All disease is preventable

I agree with a lot of what you are saying SB.

I am convinced that fibromyalgia was caused by environmental stress and psychological trauma.

Also diet is such a big factor.

Just because something is natural doesn't mean it's good.

Currently undertaking a case study of one on the affect of amines on brain function.

As for toxic exposure it's harder to control but I believe that is a major factor because when I am away fromthe city I am better
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Would better diet be healthier? For sure.

Would it prevent all disease and disorders? I'm very skeptical.

Perhaps not all diseases. But i'd say a vast swab of diseases we suffer from in the west are unheard of in certain other parts of the world where lifestyles are very different.
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Perhaps not all diseases. But i'd say a vast swab of diseases we suffer from in the west are unheard of in certain other parts of the world where lifestyles are very different.
Which diseases are you thinking of?

Perhaps they are underdiagnosed and good treatment isn't available elsewhere.

I agree with Greyhound that there have always been diseases and disorders.
Ancient Greek mummies have been tested for things like cancer, and clearly
there were treatments for mental illness that seem quite barbaric to us now.

Do more people have diseases now per capita, or are there just more people?
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Which diseases are you thinking of?

Perhaps they are underdiagnosed and good treatment isn't available elsewhere.

I agree with Greyhound that there have always been diseases and disorders.
Ancient Greek mummies have been tested for things like cancer, and clearly
there were treatments for mental illness that seem quite barbaric to us now.

Do more people have diseases now per capita, or are there just more people?

Do you honestly want me to give you a rundown of thousands of diseases that are common here, but not elsewhere?


The definition of mental illness was very different back then. People got lobotomized just for speaking their mind, or out against a regime. Women were considered "mentally ill" if they were more boisterous and less housewifeish.


Also, there's no direct way to prove that people suffered from Cancer back then. All the science can do is look at physical damage to the corpses and make assumptions as to what the causes were for the damage.
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Do you honestly want me to give you a rundown of thousands of diseases that are common here, but not elsewhere?


The definition of mental illness was very different back then. People got lobotomized just for speaking their mind, or out against a regime. Women were considered "mentally ill" if they were more boisterous and less housewifeish.


Also, there's no direct way to prove that people suffered from Cancer back then. All the science can do is look at physical damage to the corpses and make assumptions as to what the causes were for the damage.
Of course I don't want you list hundreds or thousands of diseases.
Just an example or two that would help me understand your point if you would.

Ancient mummies have been examined with CT scans and more than one kind
of cancer has been identified. Just like CT scans are used to identify cancer in
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Of course I don't want you list hundreds or thousands of diseases.
Just an example or two that would help me understand your point if you would.

Ancient mummies have been examined with CT scans and more than one kind
of cancer has been identified. Just like CT scans are used to identify cancer in
living people today.
Heart disease as well apparently.

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Mummies show signs of heart disease
Liz Szabo, March 10, 2013

Some doctors are now reconsidering their notions about the causes of heart disease.

A new study suggests that hardening of the arteries is an old problem.

Really, really old.

Researchers have found clogged arteries, or what's left of the arteries, in mummies from nearly 4,000 years ago.

The findings — from humans who lived thousands of years before the invention of Twinkies and curly fries — are leading some doctors to reconsider their notions about the causes of heart disease.

Doctors have long assumed that hardening of the arteries — officially known as atherosclerosis, which can lead to heart attacks and strokes — was a disease of modern life, caused by smoking, fatty foods and lack of exercise.

Authors of the new paper, published Sunday in The Lancet and presented at a meeting of the American College of Cardiology in San Francisco, say they were shocked by their discovery.

Finding plaques in the arteries of ancient peoples suggests that it is "either a basic component of aging, or that we are missing something very important that is a cause of atherosclerosis," says co-author Gregory Thomas, medical director of MemorialCare Heart and Vascular Institute in Long Beach, Calif.

More than one-third of 137 mummies sent through a CT scanner had calcification in their arteries, suggesting hardening of the arteries.
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Re: All disease is preventable

Thanks - will re-visit this thread soon - as all of these questions have come up before though.


Drop off the answers in note form and will expand later


1 Moral society conditional on mind (incomplete to date) -> precedent does not work
2 Diseases of Western living evident prior to current environment - look at Queen Elizabeth I (teeth) - they were rotten or Queen Victoria and her weight problem ... King Henry VIII too - why using Kings/Queens? - to make a connection between mummy and documented cases of diseases of Western living amongst the affluent.
3. Affluent (diseases of affluence) minus mind -> food intake preference (stimulant) ie cooked meat / sugar / starch -> which kills.

So - turn around historical evidence of disease in the rich into evidence of the conditions that are now prevalent in society.
Combine with the 'mind' idea in that people without a mind are 'trapped' in a reward system (pre-frontal cortical) which is 'addictive' in nature ... ... we've covered all of these issues before.


PFC -> completion of Mind of morality -> ACC reward system


More details here:
https://today.duke.edu/2012/12/socialprimate

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So

G/L point - incorrect - can't cite a different society and claim that it's moral - moral society unprecedented.

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Re: All disease is preventable

F/T points - agree.


Haven't thought about fibromyalgia for a while - but have just worked up a mechanism for solving it (zero contamination single (that's 1) copy molecular amplification technique - it's AMAZING) ... ... ie can nail the agent without any hassle whatsoever.

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According to a research article published by BMC Gastroenterology[2. http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-230X/13/157], patients who fit the clinical criteria for irritable bowel syndrome and fibromyalgia were placed on a gluten free diet for one year. After this time, subjects experienced a 48-60% improvement in their Physical and Mental Component Summary Scores.



Anxiety.


You'll see that the 'cure' (preventative) strategy for anxiety is provided in the larger post above.


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What causes IBS ?
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Both addressed in the larger post above.


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You lost me with only the rich being diseased even in ancient times.

I totally agree though that many diseases are caused by the typical western lifestyle.
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