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  • I think I've always been a pretty moral person so I don't see how that ties in?
  • I have adhd
  • autism
  • sensory disorder,
  • including proproception
  • rides horses? Buddhist monks.
  • They also do some serious sports like wrestling as a physical activity

moral - need an objective test - Hitler would have thought that he was moral also.
ADHD - sensitivity (informational)
Autism - sensitivity (informational)
Sensory disorder - sensitivity (informational) by~definition Barliman uses HSP here not SPD - they are the same - or HSP in over-stimulating environment is SPD [I need absolute quiet]
When sensitive - everything (including learning balance) takes longer - more effort - 'we take longer to learn better' is the phrase I've used here for years and years
Riding a horse - 'stimulation' - don't like stimulation
Buddhist monks - until (if) enlightenment arises they're not any different to the average guy on the bus
Wrestling - oooooo some people touch each other !! That doesn't seem right. Human beings are yucky to the touch. Where's Sheldon (Big Bang Theory) to help out here.
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ALL disease is really definitely and obviously preventable - the problem is that nobody really cares because everything that people live for (when not moral and not in a moral society) is bad for you. Some definition of a stimulant or a narcotic.

So - extreme sport, sugary drinks, alcohol, cigarettes, gambling, horror movies -

oh my! Just silence on a sunny day outside with a dog.
Any more is just too much ... information ...
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So - the idea here'd simply be - as it has been for years -

that previously wisdom was required to open the doors of perception

- in ADHD we're born with them open.

The doors of perception relate to the emergence of a novel type of microcircuit which are described by Markram and Markram in 'Intense World Theory' - reality simply results in an increased flood of information through the senses.

Attention deficit disorder should be called Attention surfeit disorder.

Too much vs Too little are often confused eg we are burnt by heat or cold ... ... the nerve is switched off by persistent or insufficient activation.
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Now there's a problem - the story has begun to become so obvious that it's becoming difficult to repeat it.

What does that mean ? Well when an idea is obvious to everybody - it enters into a space where one loses the motivation to express it. When an idea 'wins' it becomes a part of the collective conscious and so is taken as a given.

But what about all of the world's experts with degree after degree and degree in genetics - well - I think that I should have broken EVERY paid speciality (only hobbies remain) - and so everybody (shoo!) - go and have fun.

I want to supervise an olive tree and some of its friends.
Make sure they don't run off some place cold, grey and stay inside staring at computer screen after computer screen of 4 colours - A, G, C and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Know thine abstraction layer.

We are designed to learn to be better - that is our evolutionary wont in life which we spurn ... ... to lower abstraction layers.


Physics won't fix us
Chemistry won't fix us
Biochemistry won't fix us
Genetics won't fix us
Neuroscience won't fix us
Philosophy won't fix us

We simply need a mind of morality in a society defined by morality and then to follow our eyes into personally fulfilling fun (which will relate to personal quality acquisition in all of its myriad contexts).
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When scientists engineer rats that are incapable of autophagy, they’re fatter, sleepier, and have higher cholesterol and impaired brains.
WHY are the rats incapable of autophagy?

What did the scientists do to the rats to make them incapable?


My cholesterol is fine, but my diabetic granddaughter just learned that she has
borderline high cholesterol (so did my ex).
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moral - need an objective test - Hitler would have thought that he was moral also.
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Physics won't fix us
Chemistry won't fix us
Biochemistry won't fix us
Genetics won't fix us
Neuroscience won't fix us
Philosophy won't fix us

We simply need a mind of morality in a society defined by morality and then to follow our eyes into personally fulfilling fun (which will relate to personal quality acquisition in all of its myriad contexts).

So what is the "objective test" that defines "a mind of morality"?
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Re: All disease is preventable

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1 - WHY are the rats incapable of autophagy?

2 - What did the scientists do to the rats to make them incapable?

3 - My cholesterol is fine, but my diabetic granddaughter just learned that she has borderline high cholesterol (so did my ex).

4 - So what is the "objective test" that defines "a mind of morality"?
1 - Reference leads to
https://www.cell.com/trends/cell-bio...924(09)00151-2
Can't open full text ...so... http://www.lsi.umich.edu/people/daniel-klionsky
Yeast ...
elsewhere 'Atg4b-deficient mice, which show limited autophagic competence, exhibit a major increase in body weight in response to distinct obesity-associated metabolic challenges.'
... ... and back again to Klionsky
'In contrast to the former cases, mammals possess several orthologs of yeast Atg4 protease that together form the Atg4 protein family'

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5596561/

2 - 'Atg4b-deficient mice ... ... show limited autophagic competence'
Autophagy

No - it wouldn't be rats it'd be mice used in the experiments, and the experiments work fine in a yeast model - the murine model is simply what scientists 'd do but not need to do - exactly as Klionsky states - we shouldn't hurt organisms with nervous systems. I tried it once and it was clear from the way I was bitten that they were not happy. Go figure !


3 - Cholesterol lowering - don't eat any and make your body make it. Eliminate all animal products.
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- we shouldn't hurt organisms with nervous systems.
4 - https://today.duke.edu/2012/12/socialprimate
(article referenced within Nature Neuroscience, 2012)
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A monkey would probably never agree that it is better to give than to receive
but a human being with a mind would.


Politicians, Bankers, CEOs (driven by greed) have NO mind.
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The solution to all human disease comes from the development of a[n individual's] mind (of morality) within a [global] society characterized by a mind (of morality).


The mind of morality arises through understanding (as described above) the tight, autonomous mechanism or the 'mind of God' (Einstein an Hawking).
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I'm suggesting that statistical bioinformatics is a load of nonsense - and that functional epidemiology solves all of our problems.
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Where did all the doctors go ?




Hippocrates was right all along.
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Statistics can be useful and Informatics may be useful also.
They're not dead subjects - they just need reorientation.

The trick is to see that (see Hippocrates 'developing') - that they're supposed to be used in developing eustressful environments for human beings to become better.

There's probably going to be some dreadfully dreary probabilistic model to determine load balancing of cloud servers as we return to the UNIX model of distributed computing ... ... Sun can come out from behind Facebook :-).

Which statistical / computing does the individual require when wise ?
None - just thinking that they're useful for teaching.

... ... but teaching is easy if the point is to convey The Theory of Everything.

Good point - there will though have to be a collective commons upon which people will play.

This will represent a clean external world and an open access virtual world so geographic limitations do not limit us.

There is nothing better than discovering new music by clicking a button.

http://youtubeonrepeat.com/watch/?v=CT_tPxlWViY

Dismantling Frank.

http://www.talktofrank.com/

Since we no longer need an addiction service if the addiction to money/power is eliminated through wisdom.

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We're trying !!
Bad
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1712500/
pre-venting change
A-LLIE-SON


Good

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmsr043743
pre-empting change
A-LIAI-SON
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Re: All disease is preventable

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Missing the psychosocial diagnosis—a form of institutionalised malpractice
May 21, 2018
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2018/05/21...d-malpractice/

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Until they forget the most dangerousest narcotic that exists
And that's the narcotic that's injected into the minds of infants...
It's called social narcotics...
So, you know as well as I do that things are changing...
Yeah, change, you know...
People collectively believe in the biomedicalgenetic approach.

That disease is material in nature.
That a medicine can fix breakage.
And that breakage may be defined in some (-omic) aspect of the physical body.

It's ALL nonsense.


Biopsychosocial factors determine health.
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https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2018/05/21...ent-3914998141


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What if the biopsychosocial model is **wholly** correct and the biomedicalgenetic approach is *wholly* wrong? I've scanned all -omics data (briefly :-) ) ... ... and the sole conclusion that I make is that the essence of this article (a world of distress (broad sense) and not eustress) is to blame for disease {{{period}}}. Note that I'm suggesting that the biomedicalgenetic model is *wholly* wrong (from the perspective of arriving at a healthy global species) - now, of course, interesting data is generated, it's so much fun to play with of course ... ... but none of it is required - is what I'm suggesting ... ... at least if human health is the goal. However, if you happen to be a statistical -omic bioinformaticist ... ... ... This statement is made from tracking every movement of -omics from the mid-80s.
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Perhaps if we were to look to the work of one of our fine epidemiologists - we might identify the major basis to psychosocial stress? Michael Marmot's 'Whitehall Study' is useful. Perhaps we might ask ourselves what the problem is with a hierarchical structure? and perhaps we might reference certain social structures within the animal kingdom where the collective falls below an alpha-(fe)male ... ... and then perhaps we might realise that we're human beings and not animals (at least not in that sense) - and realise that human beings are supposed to be equal. Everything else then follows on - really quite naturally - referencing my comment below* ... ... ...
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1 - Reference leads to
https://www.cell.com/trends/cell-bio...924(09)00151-2
Can't open full text ...so... http://www.lsi.umich.edu/people/daniel-klionsky
Yeast ...
elsewhere 'Atg4b-deficient mice, which show limited autophagic competence, exhibit a major increase in body weight in response to distinct obesity-associated metabolic challenges.'
... ... and back again to Klionsky
'In contrast to the former cases, mammals possess several orthologs of yeast Atg4 protease that together form the Atg4 protein family'

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5596561/

2 - 'Atg4b-deficient mice ... ... show limited autophagic competence'
Autophagy

No - it wouldn't be rats it'd be mice used in the experiments, and the experiments work fine in a yeast model - the murine model is simply what scientists 'd do but not need to do - exactly as Klionsky states - we shouldn't hurt organisms with nervous systems. I tried it once and it was clear from the way I was bitten that they were not happy. Go figure !


3 - Cholesterol lowering - don't eat any and make your body make it. Eliminate all animal products.

4 - https://today.duke.edu/2012/12/socialprimate
(article referenced within Nature Neuroscience, 2012)
but a human being with a mind would.


Politicians, Bankers, CEOs (driven by greed) have NO mind.
Thank you for the links, SB.

1) The researchers report that both genetics and diet affect body weight and
overall health.

Even if we control for diet, won't genetics cause some diseases/disorders?


2) Okay, mice. You mentioned rats and I went with that.


3) Surely it's not necessary to completely eliminate fatty foods.

Limit fatty foods and balance with cholesterol reducing foods.


4) Monkeys and other animals most certainly have empathy.
What part does empathy play in your "mind of morality"
which you have yet to define?
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