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Old 09-26-18, 10:15 AM
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Notes from Barkley, true or false?

Some of my notes from Barkley. I noticed some people doubt his credibility or integrity while reading old threads, so I want to post my notes and check if there's disagreements with them.

There are 5 regions in the adhd brain that are smaller and or about 2-3 years behind in maturity.
1. orbital frontal cortex
2. midline anterior cingulate
3. cerebellum
4. basal ganglia
5. corpus callosum

I can't tell from my notes if it's the right side in all or some or one.

The emotional network goes from the frontal lobe, to the anterior cingulate to the amygdala, limbic system
-this is the area that makes the final call, the decision making, evaluates consequences
where emotional dysregulation happens?
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Re: Notes from Barkley, true or false?

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Some of my notes from Barkley. I noticed some people doubt his credibility or integrity while reading old threads, so I want to post my notes and check if there's disagreements with them.

There are 5 regions in the adhd brain that are smaller and or about 2-3 years behind in maturity.
1. orbital frontal cortex
2. midline anterior cingulate
3. cerebellum
4. basal ganglia
5. corpus callosum

I can't tell from my notes if it's the right side in all or some or one.

The emotional networks goes from the frontal lobe, to the anterior cingulate to the amygdala, limbic system
-this is the area that makes the final call, the decision making, evaluates consequences
where emotional dysregulation happens?

The emotional brain networks originate below the amygdala (lower limbic systems), example the dopaminergic SEEKING system (one of the instinctual primary emotional networks) first branches from the VTA up to the OFC.

[then form the OFC to the anterior cingulate...etc]

The primary emotional operating/processing systems evolved and always mature before our OFCs'.

In early life, primary emotional networks regulate behavior.

As we mature, tertiary cognitive networks learn to regulate emotional networks.

Lower primary and secondary emotional-affective networks modulate/regulate until about the age of 4-7* when our teriary cognitive networks begin to mature, and begin to take control our emotions associated with maturity.

We have two types of consciousness.

-affective consciousness (feelings without thought)(more observable in early life)
-cognitive consciousness. (thoughts about feelings)(more observable as we nature)






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Old 10-25-18, 08:56 AM
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Re: Notes from Barkley, true or false?

Thank you, that's the first time I've heard of the VTA. Do you know anything more about "affective consciousness"? Is that manifested in facial expressions?

"We have two types of consciousness.

-affective consciousness (feelings without thought)(more observable in early life)
-cognitive consciousness. (thoughts about feelings)(more observable as we nature)"
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Re: Notes from Barkley, true or false?

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Thank you, that's the first time I've heard of the VTA. Do you know anything more about "affective consciousness"? Is that manifested in facial expressions?

"We have two types of consciousness.

-affective consciousness (feelings without thought)(more observable in early life)
-cognitive consciousness. (thoughts about feelings)(more observable as we nature)"
Facial expressions are influenced by both affective functions and cognitive functions.

Although a babies instinctual facial expressions are more influenced by affective functions.

Although certainly linked to emotional networks, facial expressions are not the best way to determine origins of emotional networks, because our facial expressions are influenced by both affective consciousness and cognitive consciousness.

That being said, Darwin has a great book called "the expression of emotions in man and animals" , which is well worth while exploring on the topic , if your interested? (I really enjoy the audiobook version)

I will post more about affective and cognitive consciousness, and in regards to Dr Barkley's theory later.






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Re: Notes from Barkley, true or false?

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Some of my notes from Barkley. I noticed some people doubt his credibility or integrity while reading old threads, so I want to post my notes and check if there's disagreements with them.

There are 5 regions in the adhd brain that are smaller and or about 2-3 years behind in maturity.
1. orbital frontal cortex
2. midline anterior cingulate
3. cerebellum
4. basal ganglia
5. corpus callosum

I can't tell from my notes if it's the right side in all or some or one.

The emotional network goes from the frontal lobe, to the anterior cingulate to the amygdala, limbic system
-this is the area that makes the final call, the decision making, evaluates consequences
where emotional dysregulation happens?
I don't actually remember which parts of the brain are smaller in us.

We do have a developmental delay of about 30%, so it depends on your age
how many years that may look like.
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I don't actually remember which parts of the brain are smaller in us.

We do have a developmental delay of about 30%, so it depends on your age
how many years that may look like.
this always confused me, maybe you can help me get it


so if our disability is a 30 % delay....


I'd see a 15 YO acting ten emotionally as an 1ssue, 20yo like a 14 yo...same thing

but im 38, so does that mean my disability makes me like a 27 yo



whats wrong with 27 year olds?
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this always confused me, maybe you can help me get it


so if our disability is a 30 % delay....


I'd see a 15 YO acting ten emotionally as an 1ssue, 20yo like a 14 yo...same thing

but im 38, so does that mean my disability makes me like a 27 yo



whats wrong with 27 year olds?
Barkley was talking about kids when he discussed the 30% rule.

I think the gap becomes less noticeable as we get older, but there's still a gap.
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Re: Notes from Barkley, true or false?

It is true, that maturation of top down regulations are slightly delayed.









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Re: Notes from Barkley, true or false?

I do not think dopaminergic pathways are the only pathways involved, but I do know that the dopaminergic pathways branch from the VTA to the orbito frontal cortex and our VTA matures before our OFC.


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Most DA-producing neurons in the brain are located in brainstem nuclei: the retro-rubro field (A8), substantia nigra pars compacta (A9), and the ventral tegmental area (VTA) (A10). Projection pathways of the axons arising from these cell bodies follow 1 of 3 specific paths (with some overlap) via the medial forebrain bundle to inner- vate specific cortical and subcortical structures, unlike the more diffuse innervation patterns of serotonergic and noradrenergic cells (Figure 1).
http://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu...thophysiol.pdf


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Re: Notes from Barkley, true or false?

Often I prefer audio but I'm not subscribed anywhere...I will look for the book when I go to the library next week. Thanks
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Re: Notes from Barkley, true or false?

are you asking if those are things barkley said?

if someone disagrees that those areas of the brain are smaller?


did you take this directly from say one part of a book? if so maybe link it to see context


or did you accumulate it through all hid work?


or did you infer this from something and seeing if we agrre
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Re: Notes from Barkley, true or false?

I don't know if this is the talk I took it from, I think he says it or something like it in different talks. I just wanted to verify and learn more if I could. The whole thing is interesting but I think the part I was referring to is around 22:15


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are you asking if those are things barkley said?

if someone disagrees that those areas of the brain are smaller?


did you take this directly from say one part of a book? if so maybe link it to see context


or did you accumulate it through all hid work?


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