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Old 04-11-17, 07:26 PM
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Re: Paranoia

Sometimes I'm hyper-vigilant. I've been told I may suffer from post-traumatic stress.
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[quote=Lunacie;1942556]Midsy, I saw this today and thought of you ... (sorry this is so large)

what the sign said.

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Re: Paranoia

I see paranoia as the need for instant gratification. Your mind searches for solutions in the fastest way possible and naturally it takes shortcuts. These shortcuts are logical in one sense but impractical in all others. Kind of like how the fastest way out of a hotel is technically through the window, the mind rarely takes into account the wrecklessness of its own solutions.
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Re: Paranoia

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I see paranoia as the need for instant gratification. Your mind searches for solutions in the fastest way possible and naturally it takes shortcuts. These shortcuts are logical in one sense but impractical in all others. Kind of like how the fastest way out of a hotel is technically through the window, the mind rarely takes into account the wrecklessness of its own solutions.
Do you mind explaining the logical but impractical part more? The "hotel window" exit is an example of a behavior, rather than delusional thought processes. My questioning this comes from a neophyte in the paranoia department, so definitely not an indictment to your analogy. Just trying to see if I'm missing something.

I think of paranoia as delusion (oftentimes) and incorrect value judgments for incidents that are benign and/or unrelated to what the "paranoid person" may be convinced of. Hopefully that makes sense.
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Do you mind explaining the logical but impractical part more? The "hotel window" exit is an example of a behavior, rather than delusional thought processes. My questioning this comes from a neophyte in the paranoia department, so definitely not an indictment to your analogy. Just trying to see if I'm missing something.

I think of paranoia as delusion (oftentimes) and incorrect value judgments for incidents that are benign and/or unrelated to what the "paranoid person" may be convinced of. Hopefully that makes sense.
I was using an analogy but I can try to clarify it.

Short sided thinking. I've found most of our solutions to feelings that overwhelm us involve some degree of short sided thknking.

A real life example is when a U.S congressmen went outside during a session on global warmimg, grabbed a snowball and brought it back in to present as proof that global warming is not true.

Another example are the apocalypse survival kits they sell at Costco. You'll live 3 days longer but is that really a good thing?

Shortsided thinking usually puts correlation as causation.

The truth is, something can be true but right in one situation and wrong in all others.

A logic illogic example is "If it is raining, than the streets are wet" True
But "If the streets are wet, then it rained" Untrue.

A further example is, "All cats are mammals, but not all mammals are cats."

People under stress and in desperation, look for easy answers. In the pursuit of easy answers we make our lives worse.

Being anxious is okay, but you do have to double check your assumptions. I did mentoring and consulting. Doctors do short sided thinking as much as the rest of us.

A good way to get around short sided thinking is to talk about it. Thus therapy was born. Another way is to look at your previous solutions and ask yourself if it didn't work last time, then why would it work this time?

It's best to challenge your past choices rather than obsess and fear ypur future choices. If you did it before and it didn't work, then look for an alternative solution. Implement it, and if it fails, journal it and try a different approach. And so on.

Anyways, I hope that answered your question, but if not I could send ypu research on it. I just don't like to use research to muscle my points because I feel like that is more about intimidation then discussion.

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Re: Paranoia

So, not exactly instant gratification, which is a pleasure thing...

Maybe more like jumping to conclusions, or being extremely impatient - demanding an answer before even understanding the question.
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Re: Paranoia

when i was posting above about "paranoia" i was talking about what in clinical terms would be called persecutory delusions, though they can also be delusions of thought.

what's being described in terms of short cuts of the mind or instant gratification do not in any way, and the examples, do not match my experiences AT ALL.

i think there are ways these words have found themselves in the vernacular and we are talking about very different things. having a psychotic break based on delusional thought processes often goes hand in hand with a lack of insight (anosognosia) and in my experience when it's getting "notice", so to speak, there is simply not a way to "logic-illogic" the thoughts and oft accompanying voices. these are things built up over time, not little breaches of cause and effect.

i feel like i could say more to give examples of what i'm talking about but they would not be ...pleasant, i guess. which is the other thing...there is no "gratification" really. because if you're right, you're straight ******, and if you're wrong, you're mentally ill with a highly-stigmatized group of possible labels.

i could find research to support what i'm saying here, too, but i'm speaking from personal experience. "paranoia" isn't the same is what's being described in some of these later posts. at least, my psychiatrist and others on my care team would strongly disagree.

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