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Old 08-03-17, 06:25 PM
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Has anyone tried Neurofeedback to treat AD(H)D?

What is Neurofeedback?

Has anyone tried Neurofeedback to treat AD(H)D?

Is there different types of Neurofeedback, etc..?

I'm learning, any experiences or information that could help understand better is is appreciated.





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Re: Has anyone tried Neurofeedback to treat AD(H)D?

My therapist used to do neurofeedback, and ironically I came to him for neurofeedback as a treatment for ADHD--only to discover he had stopped that methodology.

But my therapist, who is really sharp, thinks that neurofeedback can definitely help people with focus and self-regulation. He likes it. Ultimately he concluded that even among people with ADHD, no two people's brains were the same, so the neurofeedback was never quite a precise fit.

Now we do a lot of work on meditation, brain breaks, monitoring my thoughts, reacting calmly when I'm emotional ... just without the brain hookups of neurofeedback. Of course people who use neurofeedback say it's great for ADHD. Other providers who don't use it aren't so bullish on the treatment.

Bottom line: if you are really interested in that method and you can find a provider who is confident and that you like, go for it! I think it's worth a shot. My therapist didn't reject it so much as concluding that he could achieve the same ends using other methods.

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Re: Has anyone tried Neurofeedback to treat AD(H)D?

Interesting. Maybe I'll try to find a therapist who has this philosophy.
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Old 08-15-17, 04:26 PM
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Re: Has anyone tried Neurofeedback to treat AD(H)D?

Rory Brenner, a top British comedian tried this on a BBC documentary on adult Adhd, as he discovered he has Adhd himself, this was a few months ago, his reaction after trying it stunned me, still does, don't know if still available on iPlayer in UK or elsewhere. It was very funny and surprising, has this been mentioned before here?
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Re: Has anyone tried Neurofeedback to treat AD(H)D?

I am still going thru neurofeedback therapy. I LOVE it. It is awesome, WAY better than meds. I was on 30mg AdderallXR, down to 5, and I got almost half of my sessions left to do. I paid for mine out of pocket. It is like a kick in the teeth but well worth it. I say DO IT DO IT DO IT.
I downloaded this:
Introduction to Quantitative EEG and Neurofeedback, 2nd edition (2008), edited by Thomas Budzynski Helen Budzynski James R. Evans Andrew Abarbanel, published by Academic Press/Elsevier.

A peer reviewed article on it, there is a good section on why it is not accepted treatment in some circles.

Look for this subheading:
VII . EVIDENCE-BASED PRACTICE, RESEARCH DESIGN, AND COMBINED TREATMENTS

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Re: Has anyone tried Neurofeedback to treat AD(H)D?

Sorry namzu.
I linked to that sits as it is the only place to get the pdf for free that I know of.
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Old 10-08-18, 02:36 PM
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Re: Has anyone tried Neurofeedback to treat AD(H)D?

Also here is an article that shows benefits. In a nutshell, people with ADHD got smaller parts of their brains compared to controlls, the study shows Neurofeedback makes those parts bigger.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23536382/

I tried to attach the full article but could not.
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Re: Has anyone tried Neurofeedback to treat AD(H)D?

Unfortunately one can not access that article beyond the abstract but based on that it doesnt say that this has anything to do with adhd.
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Re: Has anyone tried Neurofeedback to treat AD(H)D?

I think it can be helpful, but it's not standardized. In fact, sometimes it can cause damage.
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Re: Has anyone tried Neurofeedback to treat AD(H)D?

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I think it can be helpful, but it's not standardized. In fact, sometimes it can cause damage.
yes you are right
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Re: Has anyone tried Neurofeedback to treat AD(H)D?

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Unfortunately one can not access that article beyond the abstract but based on that it doesnt say that this has anything to do with adhd.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/414nu1ln31...81%29.pdf?dl=0

I apparently cannot post a file... and the link above is where it came from, but apparently one needs ecess to get in... so I put it into my drop box. If it gets moderated out for some reason, a tip on how to share this would be appreciated. Maybe I just need to get my post count up.
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Old 11-29-18, 12:41 AM
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Re: Has anyone tried Neurofeedback to treat AD(H)D?

From the article:

Neurofeedback is an operant conditioning procedure in which individuals learn to recondition their brain activity. There is mounting evidence that EEG-based NFT can improve attentional performance in individuals with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).1,2 With respect to this issue, we have previously demonstrated, in children with ADHD, that increasing b1 frequency band (through NFT) can enhance the activity in brain regions involved in various attentional processes.
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Re: Has anyone tried Neurofeedback to treat AD(H)D?

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Unfortunately one can not access that article beyond the abstract but based on that it doesnt say that this has anything to do with adhd.
I posted a link to the pdf of the article in my Dropbox, waiting for it to clear the mods. In the meantime....

From the abstract:

Participants in the EXP group were trained to enhance the amplitude of their β1 waves....

Measures of attentional performance and MRI data were acquired....

Higher scores on visual and auditory sustained attention were noted in the EXP group....

As for structural MRI data, increased fractional anisotropy [size] was measured in WM pathways implicated in sustained attention, and GMV increases were detected in cerebral structures involved in this type of attention.....

After 50 years of research in the field of neurofeedback, our study constitutes the first empirical demonstration that NFT can lead to microstructural changes in white and gray matter.
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Re: Has anyone tried Neurofeedback to treat AD(H)D?

I gotta say, it is hard to describe the changes. I went on and off my meds a few time to see the difference in order to better quantify in my own head the exact symptoms. Then I could better recognize it and try to tell when I was having a bad day....

Now, I have experienced life without ADHD making my brain just Jonesing for Dopamine. It is shocking in retrospect how much of consciousness in the ADHD mind revolves around that. The thrillseeking, lawbreaking, hot foods, emotional sabotage in relationships, anything to feed it. It is hard to know exactly how messed up you are without a proper point of reference. And because ADHD affects every facet of perception, a stable point of reference is impossible.

Then my brain gets lifted out of the hole methodically and it plain blows meds out of the water. You all gotta try it. I would post where I went but I do not want it construed as an advertisement. I just see nothing on the forums here about it and I want to influence the conversation to everyone's benefit.
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Re: Has anyone tried Neurofeedback to treat AD(H)D?

I may try to post pieces of that peer reviewed article I mentioned sometimes. It's like 450 pages....
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