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Right. Now that you put it in the context of other people's creativity, and mention yours, it's easy enough to see. I wonder if that desire for appreciation is a tip-off to something being a creative act. One doesn't admire the purely logical or mathematical, like an algorithm. While you can have admiration for concepts, no one would gaze at or be inspired by a ratio, let alone ask for another or wonder how you accomplished it. Creative things are meant to be shared and admired. I even consider a creative medication plan that works a better achievement than a "treat as usual" that works. And it's nice to have someone appreciate that and ask you how you arrived at the notion.

Why not share your creative endeavors here?
Have you never watched The Big Bang Theory? One most certainly can admire
the purely logical or mathematical if that's where one's interest lies. And as the
scientific journals show, they can be and are shared and admired.
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Re: Feel i'm not creative as others of my level of intelligence

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Have you never watched The Big Bang Theory? One most certainly can admire
the purely logical or mathematical if that's where one's interest lies. And as the
scientific journals show, they can be and are shared and admired.
No I haven't. I get your point and agree. I think I am not sure how to convey the difference between something that is mechanical and admirable vs something that is creative and admirable. I love chemistry and enjoy chemical structure and function. It's my major interest. But what I feel observing a compound's apparent behavior is different than what I feel hearing soaring and well played music. Boy, those can be considered to be awfully close in many ways. And both beautiful, admirable and inspiring. But I don't create with chemistry. I observe it, interact with it, manipulate and describe it. Creative acts are different.

Or maybe they're not, in which case the whole creative vs not creative would seem to be moot?
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No I haven't. I get your point and agree. I think I am not sure how to convey the difference between something that is mechanical and admirable vs something that is creative and admirable. I love chemistry and enjoy chemical structure and function. It's my major interest. But what I feel observing a compound's apparent behavior is different than what I feel hearing soaring and well played music. Boy, those can be considered to be awfully close in many ways. And both beautiful, admirable and inspiring. But I don't create with chemistry. I observe it, interact with it, manipulate and describe it. Creative acts are different.

Or maybe they're not, in which case the whole creative vs not creative would seem to be moot?
Is it not the same kind of thing when someone takes a musical instrument
(including the voice) and manipulates it to create something?

Something which can be beautiful, but also may not be beautiful.
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It's true, as you suggest, that it's rare for all results on a particular topic of research to be uniformly consistent. But in this case, there's really been very little rigorous study, and there's a whole lot of wishful thinking. That doesn't rule out a connection between ADHD and creativity -- it just means that it can't be considered a proven fact that people with ADHD are more creative than others.
Ok, I'll tone down my language about how it's as proven as can be almost. Still seems like most studies support it though.

Out of curiosity, what is the line between when there is enough research and data to support something enough to call it conclusive from a scientific standpoint? Just wondering how difficult that is to achieve in an underfunded area like this.
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Out of curiosity, what is the line between when there is enough research and data to support something enough to call it conclusive from a scientific standpoint? Just wondering how difficult that is to achieve in an underfunded area like this.
It's pretty difficult!

1) "Where is the line?" is a question whose answer tends to be subjective/arbitrary. Sensible people can disagree on how much evidence is enough. Sometimes, one or two really well-designed, large studies (if they can be funded/carried out!) can be overwhelmingly persuasive. (But as long as there remains considerable disagreement among people who know the subject well, and there continue to be conflicting/mixed/nuance-adding results from recent studies, to me, that points to "inconclusive"!)

2) In this particular case, so much depends on how one defines "creativity", as people have been discussing in different ways in this thread. It may be that people with ADHD are more likely to have high levels of certain traits associated with creativity (e.g. disinhibition, novelty-seeking) but not others (e.g. ability to generate multiple solutions to a problem quickly). It may be that people with ADHD are very good at generating ideas, but lack the creative output to show for it because of poor follow-through. Etc. (Note: These are just possible examples; don't take them as truth.)

3) A lot also depends on how people conceptualize ADHD, which probably arises through multiple genetic and environmental pathways. We know that different symptoms are more troublesome for some people with ADHD than others, and that they don't all manifest the same way for everyone with the diagnosis. It may be that some flavors of ADHD are associated with greater creativity (for a given definition of creativity) and others are not.

A wise scientist once told me, after I'd made some comment about how there wasn't consensus on a particular issue, that "Science doesn't operate by consensus." It's true -- in some fields, there are debates that rage (politely or, in some cases, not-so-politely) for generations. As new evidence comes out, it's up to researchers (and others) to evaluate their models to see if the models fit the data, and to change them if they don't. (Of course, that also assumes that the new evidence was generated in a rigorous manner, and that the interpretation of the evidence is unambiguous, and one or both of those conditions may not be met.)

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Sometimes I feel like there is something wrong with me because I do not see how adhd makes me more creative or think outside the box...
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Sometimes I feel like there is something wrong with me because I do not see how adhd makes me more creative or think outside the box...
I wonder if it's only those with adhd alone that are more creative?

When you add in other issues like ASD, bipolar, anxiety, etc, does that interfere
with the creative gene?
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I wonder if it's only those with adhd alone that are more creative?

When you add in other issues like ASD, bipolar, anxiety, etc, does that interfere
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There's been even more research on creativity and bipolar disorder than on creativity and ADHD...
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Re: Feel i'm not creative as others of my level of intelligence

One useful thing to remember here, I guess -- even if it were unequivocally true that people with X diagnosis were "more creative" on average -- it doesn't mean that every single person with X diagnosis is necessarily super-creative.
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