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Old 08-05-14, 03:57 PM
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Re: ADHD does not exist according to Neurologist Richard Saul

I came across this book some time ago when my wife saw it on some TV show. Best review I've seen on Amazon:
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A waste of time. Attempts to say ADHD does not exist by redefining what ADHD is and then pointing out that most cases don't fit the definition. A reference for ADHD deniers.
I can redefine a potato as a coffee cup and tell you coffee won't fit into it, so clearly, coffee cups do not exist. Or potatoes. You'd then call me a raving lunatic and a potato denier.
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Daily Mail? Rupert Murdoch? HarperCollins?

Oh, OK, I thought for a femtosecond we were being serious.
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Daily Mail? Rupert Murdoch? HarperCollins?

Oh, OK, I thought for a femtosecond we were being serious.
Well, serious insofar as this book exists and that its fairly damaging to the perception of ADHD. Not so much because its... Oh I see what you did there...
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I came across this book some time ago when my wife saw it on some TV show. Best review I've seen on Amazon:

I can redefine a potato as a coffee cup and tell you coffee won't fit into it, so clearly, coffee cups do not exist. Or potatoes. You'd then call me a raving lunatic and a potato denier.
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Poor dear man, R. Saul. Despite HarperCollins catchy book title, and a journalist-eye-catching press release, the book did NOT feature on the New York Times Best Seller List.

Rats curses.

More than one respected industry figure gives Saul a gentlemanly sledging:

Russ Barkley thinks he's a twit:
"The book is a travesty of ignorance about and propaganda against ADHD ..."
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/28/r...es-245584.html

Dr Peter Jensen ... the title invites defensiveness...
http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/pare...rd=relbias%3Ar

So ... Does Saul's unsuccessful attempt at fame and fortune deserve any more of our collectively valuable airtime?

It's today the 7th of August. Six months after publication the book hasn't raised a blip.

Let's let Saul's diatribe quietly slip into obscurity, shall we?
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Re: ADHD does not exist according to Neurologist Richard Saul

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Correct. But the diagnosis you're seeking, will generally be the diagnosis that you get.
Only if you have a second rate doctor.

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For example, if you have difficulties with concentration, memory and motivation and you request to be evaluated for ADHD, then you'll get a diagnosis for ADHD, because the questionnaire is based on the symptoms you have, not the actual cause of the symptoms.

If you have difficulties with concentration, memory and motivation and you request to be evaluated for Depression, then you'll end up with a diagnosis for depression, because again, the questionaire is based around the symptoms you have, instead of getting to the core cause of the symptoms.
It is well understood within psychiatry that attention difficulties may have multifactorial causation.

It is also well understood by those who diagnose, treat and live with ADHD
that the condition can be very depressing.

I very rarely get a confirmation letter back from a psychiatrist speaking of ADHD alone- virtually every one I see back from the specialists I deal with actually goes into more detail about the co-morbidity than the ADHD.

However- in diagnostic terms the distinction is simple. The diagnosis should be able to be made by a history of attention problems that have always been present to some degree- even if they are currently worse in the context of depression secondary to the social and psychic wounds caused by the unrecognised ADHD.

Less commonly one will see a latent ADHD unmasked in the course of treatment for depression or during the course of depth psychotherapy.

The mindless use of standard questionnaires in much more common at lower levels in Medical practice.

For instance- in Australia one can have one's family doctor draw up a "Mental Health Care Plan" - which entitles one to 10 visits to a psychologist with a significant monetary rebate from Medicare.

That is all well and good, but the Plan requires a measure of one's current level of psychological distress.

The preferred measure is the "Hamilton Anxiety and Depression Scale".

Again that is all very well- and maybe it does give a measure of current distress- but it also biases the unwary towards the diagnoses of anxiety and depression.

We see the same problem in the ACE (Adverse Childhood Events) study- which correlates adverse health outcomes with childhood trauma.

The hard fact is that childhood trauma can produce a picture that is clinically identical to ADHD (right down to the response to stimulants), and additionally that virtually all ADHD children are traumatised repeatedly at school.

However the trauma specialists tend not to think in the ADHD model- so they tend to mislabel the ADHD that is hidden in the statistics of the ACE study.

As for Richard Saul--- he simply does not understand the basic tents of how DSM is constructed- and that shows in the silly title of his book.
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Re: ADHD does not exist according to Neurologist Richard Saul

For openers, Neurologist Richard Saul is obviously an egocentric, attention-seeking,

passive-aggressive, narcissist. The reason being that ADHD is THE most widely

researched, developmental disability / childhood disorder on earth; dating back to Sir

Alexander Crichton's initial research study in 1798 (do the math). In addition, ADHD is

recognized the world over as a valid (and devastating) disorder. The fact that it's

"invisible," only serves to make it more so. The reality here is that this individual is com-

-pletely out of step with the world scientific community; not because he possesses some

"special" knowledge or break through data, but because he wants the attention derived

from "going against the grain." The problem is that his opinion, whether it be data driven

or not, simply CANNOT refute 218 years worth of evidence based, peer reviewed data;

supporting ADHD as "real."

In closing, just remember that approximately 524 years ago, virtually everyone on this

planet were completely convinced that the Earth was "flat;" and they were FOS 2.


(My Point: Looking for the simplest, "black & white," knee jerk reaction, is rarely right. The

same thing applies here to Peter Jensen, and his bff's at the "Church" of Scientology; who'd

much rather charge you (and Tom Cruise) $2K a week to "pull" aliens out of your body).


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Re: ADHD does not exist according to Neurologist Richard Saul

I actually read this book. I had never heard of it before, and I borrowed it from the library over the summer, on a whim.

Why?

Because I thought it would be a good idea to expose myself to a completely different viewpoint than my own, even though I didn't anticipate it would change my mind. (It didn't.) Believe me, I braced myself before reading it because I expected to get... umm, annoyed.

I can't really remember all the details about the book, but what I recall is that he described different conditions that mimic ADHD, by chapter. For instance, there is an entire chapter about visual impairment, with case studies for examples.

The thing is, I can't help but wonder if the book would be (or is) mainly read by people who already agree with the title, and perhaps are seeking a "professional" to validate their "beliefs" about this disorder.

Personally, the title caught my eye out of curiosity. I don't know that a book titled "ADHD Does Not Exist" would catch the eye of someone wondering "Why is my son having trouble in school?" instead of, say, "Driven to Distraction." (What I mean is, that title gives a little more indication that it's about a specific problem to which one could relate.)

He did dedicate a chapter to "neurological ADHD," which is what I believe he called "true ADHD." (Please don't quote my fuzzy memory about those quoted terms; I don't have the book to check.) In my opinion, that negates the entire point of the book:

ADHD does exist.

I think someone in this thread already mentioned that he probably used the title to sell more books.

I would agree on that one!

Would I recommend the book to anyone? Sure, if you're bored and you want to gain a different perspective. It made think.

But if you are seeking information about ADHD, while there is some in that book, I would recommend something else.
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Re: ADHD does not exist according to Neurologist Richard Saul

Beth,

Excellent points. Well said (and waaay nicer than mine)

Is nice to cu back.

Later,

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Re: ADHD does not exist according to Neurologist Richard Saul

Looks to be using the following promotional / marketing trick to further his business -

"Controversial ideas have a huge ripple effect because people take an interest – clicking, reading, commenting, and often sharing – whether or not they agree. That's because it tends to hit people's emotional triggers, like surprise and anger."

I wouldn't use it.
Though it's a useful indicator of a dishonest or unscrupulous character, because they don't care about the damage they cause others when they use such tactics.
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