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Insomnia on Dexedrine Vs. Ritalin (experiences?)

Hi,
Just curious - anyone have any experience with both of these meds and if say Ritalin has less chance of causing insomnia?

Twice I've tried dexedrine and by the second day (two doses a day), I had horrid insomnia. I will try the doses earlier but if i need coverage all day, this won't work out.

Or will the insomnia effects wear off after a week? Do i just have to regulate my body over time? Or will I know from the get-go how my body reacts sleep-wise.

Btw...the dexedrine made me sleepy , and then i felt it work mildly, and then wear off, and it was long out of my system as far as it's effects and yet i had horrid insomnia and did not feel good (happened twice and long after i felt the effects wore off)

Curious about others' experiences - thanks
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Re: Insomnia on Dexedrine Vs. Ritalin (experiences?)

Hi JBB, I can't help w/ your question in the OP. The following is a previous post that I hope you will find helpful. Of course if you have any questions, pls post them. GL & HTH, -LN

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Hi *****, Keep in mind this is MY EXPERIENCE w/ amphetamines. YOUR EXPERIENCE will/may be different.

Your body takes time to adjust to starting a new med or changing dosage or changing dosing frequency. During this adjustment period you can't fully evaluate how well/poorly the med is doing for you. You just try to ride it out. You likely will have a euphoric period for a few days initially and then it will go away.(This has nothing to do w/ treating your symptoms. The euphoric period going away is often mistaken for the med wearing off. It isn't wearing off.) You will/may have side-effect that will/may lessen during the adjustment period. How well each of your symptoms are addressed may stay the same during the period, get better, get worse, start worse initially and then get better. The way to approach all of these unknown issues IMVHO is to keep a daily journal and just wait until YOUR adjustment period is over and it "lines-out" for you. Then you can look over your journal and evaluate how well the meds are working FOR YOU. On top of this, the adjustment period can be different for everyone. For me it is ≤2 weeks for most things, but up to 4 weeks for others (sleep disturbances). If it helps, we have all gone through this and it was equally confusing, but only at first.

How long should you wait until you are pretty much done adjusting to the Meds? I donno. Initially that is something you need to talk to your Doc about. Then after you go through it a few times you will find out what works for you. Then talk to your Doc about incorporating into your titration.

When should you discontinue taking the meds and talk to your Doc? This is something you need to get from your Doc and feel comfortable with before starting on a new med. In addition to serious side-effects associated with your new med, your medical history history needs to be taken into account.

How much latitude did your Doc agree to give you with respect to adjusting your dose and/or frequency? You need to stay within these boundaries. If you want to reduce your dose and your Doc didn't explicitly OK it already, you need to talk to your Doc. The same especially goes for increasing your dose. If you want to change your dosage frequency and your Doc didn't explicitly OK it already, you need to talk to your Doc.


Getting back to your explicit questions in your OP...

How long the dose lasts is different for everyone. My experience is that it is somewhat dose dependent but not much. Your dose can be too low and not all of your symptoms are being treated. Your dose can be too high and you experience side-effect and/or some of your symptoms get worse. If you're lucky enough to find an acceptable range with good treatment AND acceptable side-effects the duration will be pretty much the same over that range. For me with Adderall and dexedrine IR it is 2 - 3 hours. I believe other's have talked about 4-5 hours. Bottom line is YOU need to find this out by trial and error, keeping good notes, and doing good reviews.

How do you know what the right effect is? You were diagnosed w/ ADHD based on symptoms that you have. You were given meds to treat these symptoms. So write down each of YOUR symptoms. Next to each one, write down specific real-life examples of the symptom causing you problems in the past. Next to that write down specific real-life examples of that symptom, improving, staying the same, or getting worse. For some you may not have examples for, but others you should be aware of at any given moment. For me that is "focus" and working memory. If you keep a daily journal and try to evaluate each one, examples will occur for the others. Be sure to document undesirable side-effects too.

Should you wait for the crash to leave to evaluate? The answer is yes and if you can get your dose right and/or after your body adjusts there won't be a crash. At that point you will be able to evaluate your focus as well as other symptoms for treatment effectiveness. Sorry about the long response. May be too much coffee. Good luck and hope this helps. -LN
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Re: Insomnia on Dexedrine Vs. Ritalin (experiences?)

i had a similar experience but i simply switched meds and after about a week my insomnia was gone. anyways since i switched to Adderall I have been fine
also it is worth mentioning that i do not take this medication with other medication except in cases where i have a cold or some other meds like xanax

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Re: Insomnia on Dexedrine Vs. Ritalin (experiences?)

So dexedrine gave you insomnia but adderall didn't?
Was it adderall IR or XR?
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Re: Insomnia on Dexedrine Vs. Ritalin (experiences?)

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Hi,
Just curious - anyone have any experience with both of these meds and if say Ritalin has less chance of causing insomnia?

Twice I've tried dexedrine and by the second day (two doses a day), I had horrid insomnia. I will try the doses earlier but if i need coverage all day, this won't work out.

Or will the insomnia effects wear off after a week? Do i just have to regulate my body over time? Or will I know from the get-go how my body reacts sleep-wise.

Btw...the dexedrine made me sleepy , and then i felt it work mildly, and then wear off, and it was long out of my system as far as it's effects and yet i had horrid insomnia and did not feel good (happened twice and long after i felt the effects wore off)

Curious about others' experiences - thanks
Ive had insomnia only when increasing dose and taking an extra dose too close to bedtime.

The half life of dex is actually longer than the few hours we were brought up to think:
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Wikipedia dextroampetamine
The half lives of amphetamine enantiomers differ and vary with urine pH.



At normal urine pH, the half-lives of dextroamphetamine and levoamphetamine are 911 hours and 1114 hours, respectively.

Highly acidic urine will reduce the enantiomer half-lives to 7 hours; highly alkaline urine will increase the half-lives up to 34 hours.
The immediate-release and extended release variants of salts of both isomers reach at 3 hours and 7 hours post-dose respectively.

Amphetamine is eliminated via the kidneys, with 3040% of the drug being excreted unchanged at normal urinary pH.[3] When the urinary pH is basic, amphetamine is in its free base form, so less is excreted.
So the bottom line is that many of us are slow metabolisers of amphetamine and actually only need a single dose in the morning.


I wonder if anyone has thought of using a daily does of urinary acidifier to increase the detection and terminate the effect for the day.
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That's only speculation and I wouldnt go there without your doctors approval, but I have heard of many people who have used urinary alkalinisers to increase the effect of their tablets.
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