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Old 12-26-10, 01:55 PM
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cant feel effects of dex...tiredness? expecting too much? need a higher dose?

Iv been on dex 2 weeks now and feel like it doesnt do anything now.

first week on 2x5mg didn't do anything. this past week on 2x10mg i felt a bit and for the first time ever I felt more engaged in what people were saying In social situations.
But today and yesterday it has done nothing.

I never felt euphoria. perhaps in a better mood and more motivated.

Why has the effect gone?

I have had a bad sleeping pattern recently so could this be the reason? ( got to sleep at 4.30am last night and very tired today and night before about 3am.

Also iv dropped my citalopram from 20 to 10mg 2 days ago.

if I have adhd pi (but I fit the descripton for sct) could it be that I need a higher dose? I'm 6'3.5" and weigh 67kg. do people with sct need larger doses in general than other adhd types?

Or was I just feeling that initial effect the people talk about which goes away and I don't notice the effect now because its more subtle than that initial few days/week and now I'm expecting too much?

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Old 12-26-10, 03:15 PM
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Re: cant feel effects of dex...tiredness? expecting too much? need a higher dose?

Hi Johnny. I've been on Dex for 1.5 years. What I feel: I am better at doing "boring" and exciting things for longer, like: being in a meeting, long family visits, seeing a movie etc. I have less the inclination to stand up after 10 minutes and talk a walk etc.

I did not experience an effect on motivation - I still have to do my work 'by myself'. The meds don't do my job so to speak!

Euforia: no. But that is fine, you're not taking it to get a high.

Stimulants can cause insomnia, yes. The best thing is to make sure you get enough excercise. Also, try to go to bed even if your not tired, just lay down and relax, you don't have to sleep.

My guess is you are expecting too much. Maybe ritalin is better for you? (to me, ritalin was like a sledgehammer, for that reason I prefer the smoother dex.)

Good luck, take it easy
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Re: cant feel effects of dex...tiredness? expecting too much? need a higher dose?

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Iv been on dex 2 weeks now and feel like it doesnt do anything now.

first week on 2x5mg didn't do anything. this past week on 2x10mg i felt a bit and for the first time ever I felt more engaged in what people were saying In social situations.
But today and yesterday it has done nothing.

I never felt euphoria. perhaps in a better mood and more motivated.

Why has the effect gone?

I have had a bad sleeping pattern recently so could this be the reason? ( got to sleep at 4.30am last night and very tired today and night before about 3am.

Also iv dropped my citalopram from 20 to 10mg 2 days ago.

if I have adhd pi (but I fit the descripton for sct) could it be that I need a higher dose? I'm 6'3.5" and weigh 67kg. do people with sct need larger doses in general than other adhd types?

Or was I just feeling that initial effect the people talk about which goes away and I don't notice the effect now because its more subtle than that initial few days/week and now I'm expecting too much?

Jonny
You should feel a big difference. If you don't feel a big difference but you do feel some euphoria, you are trying to treat a problem that is not there. Like we say...don't fix it if it ain't broken. Lol

You probably don't have ADD, talk to your doctor.
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Old 12-26-10, 04:38 PM
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Re: cant feel effects of dex...tiredness? expecting too much? need a higher dose?

Thanks for the replies.

I tried Ritalin and it did nothin except make me feel strange and zones out. Dex is much smother and has made a difference.

The effects i felt at first was like i wanted to do things more than before. Like I wanted to do something rather than just sit at home watchin tv. And it was easier to follow a conversation and I found it easier to partake in it to be funny, whereas I used to find it hard to keep up and I felr like I coulnt be bothered to say anything. Like it was too much effort to think of something and to say it. im not sure if I was more motivated to do these things or if I did it because it was now less effort to do as my focus and thinking speed was better.

Is this what dex is supposed to do or is that just a result of the initial effect which goes away?

Ppl say its the euphoria that goes away and that u shouldn't Chase. But i did not feel euphoric. I think my mood was a bit better but it was def not euphoria.

Could the initial effect have gone cos I'm not getting good enough sleep? Or cos coming off citalopram is making my mood worse?

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You probably don't have ADD, talk to your doctor.
I'm almost certain I do. I was officially diagnosed this year and have always been the one in class not paying attention. Not hyper or naughty, just drifting off. my teacher wanted me to get a hearing test when i was 4 cos i never listened. But ears were fine.

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Old 12-26-10, 05:18 PM
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Re: cant feel effects of dex...tiredness? expecting too much? need a higher dose?

I am no doctor! So I won't make a diagnosis. But, your experience differs from mine and from most other adhd-people. So, maybe time to check again with the doc?

I have split this in parts:

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1) i wanted to do things more than before. Like I wanted to do something rather than just sit at home watchin tv.
Hmmm.....in my case, Dex does not make me more active. Rather more relaxed.

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2) And it was easier to follow a conversation
OK, if this is because less mind-wandering, this would be expected

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3) I found it easier to partake in it to be funny, whereas I used to find it hard to keep up and I felr like I coulnt be bothered to say anything. Like it was too much effort to think of something and to say it.
Totally unlike my experience! (Too much) dex will mute me


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4) my focus and thinking speed was better.
What is "better"? If you mean slower, that would be good. Faster would not be typical adhd reaction to stimulants.


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5) Could the initial effect have gone cos I'm not getting good enough sleep?
Could be.......not sure.

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6) Or cos coming off citalopram is making my mood worse?
Yeah, there might be some interaction...


Maybe dex is not the right med for you, or your dose is wrong, or you need a combination of other meds, or the diagnosis is incorrect, or "co-existing conditions" play a role....

Go see your doctor again, or find another good expert (psychiatrist).

Good luck!
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Re: cant feel effects of dex...tiredness? expecting too much? need a higher dose?

Thanks Peterr,

Are you combined or hyperactive type?

Remember I am ADHD-PI but think I am SCT so it may be different for me. i have NO hyperactive symptoms. My problems are inattention, fatigue, brain fog, no motivation, etc. So I need to be brought up a notch. My brain feels too slow like it can't keep up with things. I need it to be faster, to be able to think quicker and clearer, more focus, more motivation, more energy.

I think stims have the effect of calming combined and hyperactive types, whereas as inattentive or SCT need to feel more stimulated.
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Re: cant feel effects of dex...tiredness? expecting too much? need a higher dose?

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Thanks Peterr,

Are you combined or hyperactive type?

Remember I am ADHD-PI but think I am SCT so it may be different for me. i have NO hyperactive symptoms. My problems are inattention, fatigue, brain fog, no motivation, etc. So I need to be brought up a notch. My brain feels too slow like it can't keep up with things. I need it to be faster, to be able to think quicker and clearer, more focus, more motivation, more energy.

I think stims have the effect of calming combined and hyperactive types, whereas as inattentive or SCT need to feel more stimulated.
How do you feel when you take opioids? (there's a catch ^.^)
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Re: cant feel effects of dex...tiredness? expecting too much? need a higher dose?

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Thanks Peterr,

Are you combined or hyperactive type?

Remember I am ADHD-PI but think I am SCT so it may be different for me. i have NO hyperactive symptoms. My problems are inattention, fatigue, brain fog, no motivation, etc. So I need to be brought up a notch. My brain feels too slow like it can't keep up with things. I need it to be faster, to be able to think quicker and clearer, more focus, more motivation, more energy.
I am the combined type. My brain is always on full speed.

- Be easily distracted, miss details, forget things, and frequently switch from one activity to another YES
- Have difficulty maintaining focus on one task YES
- Become bored with a task after only a few minutes, unless doing something enjoyable YES
- Have difficulty focusing attention on organizing and completing a task or learning something new or trouble completing or turning in homework assignments, often losing things (e.g., pencils, toys, assignments) needed to complete tasks or activities YES
- Not seem to listen when spoken to YES
- Daydream, become easily confused, YES and move slowly NO
- Have difficulty processing information as quickly and accurately as others NO
- Struggle to follow instructions. YES

- Fidget and squirm in their seats YES/NO
- Talk nonstop YES...
- Dash around, touching or playing with anything and everything in sight YES
- Have trouble sitting still during dinner, school, and story time YES
- Be constantly in motion NO
- Have difficulty doing quiet tasks or activities. YES

- Be very impatient YES
- Blurt out inappropriate comments, show their emotions without restraint, and act without regard for consequences YES
- Have difficulty waiting for things they want or waiting their turns in games YES

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I think stims have the effect of calming combined and hyperactive types, whereas as inattentive or SCT need to feel more stimulated.
Sounds logical !
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Re: cant feel effects of dex...tiredness? expecting too much? need a higher dose?

Again, I am not a physican but I'm on 12.5 mg twice a day, and then I also take a 10 mg once a day. Are you being followed by an ADHD specialist? A doctor who specializes in ADHD isn't overly cautious about prescribing what may seem like high doses because they have th knowledge and experience. I will speculate and say your dose seems rather on the low side, compared to mine.
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Re: cant feel effects of dex...tiredness? expecting too much? need a higher dose?

I was but he just told me that I dont need to see him again.

He deals with child ADHD mostly so I'm not sure how clued up he is about adult doses etc. and here in the Uk docs in general seem to be less clued up about adult ADHD.

He even said that its not worth trying adderall cos he thinks they have exactly the same effect and that adderall is just a way for the drug companies to have a new patent. but I get the impression that while adderall and dex have similar effect (because adderall is mostly dex), the levoamp in adderall can help with inattention more and motivation, but can also make people feel more jittery.
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Re: cant feel effects of dex...tiredness? expecting too much? need a higher dose?

I agree with what some have said about double checking with doc, amphetamines are meant to calm people with adhd down enuf so they can function better. well better might not be the right word, but "be a better contributor to society" how bout that. I notice if im on meds with nothing to do, i feel very lethargic, probably why some docs say to only take meds when your doing stuff. But if you do truly have this bittersweet condition, imo, you need a higher dose for your size. I'm 5'11'', 165 lbs and take 60mg/day. this seems to give me coverage from 8am till about 7pm. tho i didnt take this much at the start, your doc might be starting you off light, which most do, cuz they know you will develop tolerance. Also, i dont know first hand since ive only ever taken dex, but i heard that dex is more of the "mind" stim where as the salt mix or whatever levo is more of a "body" stim. put it this way, i move around alot more off meds
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Re: cant feel effects of dex...tiredness? expecting too much? need a higher dose?

I think it is different depending on the ADHD type you have tbh. I mean arent there some that think the inattentive and hyperactive ADHD types could be seperate disorders?

Now Iv been on 20mg Dex for about 3 weeks now and I am off citalopram since 2 weeks ago.

I dont know if the citalopram was stopping the de from working or not before but I definately feel the dex now.

Unfortunately it seems inconsistent. sometimes I feel good, focused and in a good mood. Other times still focused but quite irritable and in a bad mood.

Today I took 7.5mg in the morning and noticed that I felt quite irritable and in a bad mood 2-3 hours later. So I took 10mg 3 hours after the first dose to see how it affected my mood. I then felt in quite a good moo and less irritable.

Im not sure why this is tho...I might experiment and take 15mg as the first dose tomorrow and see if it feel worse or better. I'm confused as to whether my doses are too high or too low. Or maybe it is because of another reason.
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Re: cant feel effects of dex...tiredness? expecting too much? need a higher dose?

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You should feel a big difference. If you don't feel a big difference but you do feel some euphoria, you are trying to treat a problem that is not there. Like we say...don't fix it if it ain't broken. Lol

You probably don't have ADD, talk to your doctor.
I'm sorry, but I find this statement rather insulting; just because he DOESN'T feel a "big difference" and has felt "euphoria" from his medication DOESN'T mean that he isn't ADHD/ADD. I've felt euphoric on Dexedrine before and there are PLENTY of times (take today, for example) when it doesn't seem to be working. However, I take it primarily for Depression and not so much for my ADD as my Depression is of bigger concern to me even though the ADD is pretty bad as well.

No offense, but I don't think ANYBODY is entitled to say whether somebody is "not" or "probably not" or anything ADHD/ADD (not to mention any and all other diseases, ailments, afflictions, etc.) unless they've walked in that person's shoes and seen the world through their eyes, which is impossible for a human. Just imagine all the skeptics out there that ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY KNOW that there's no such thing as ADHD/ADD[I'm being sarcastic...I'm just speaking from how they see things].

It's like when people I've known/know tell ME that my Depression is not real...in what position are they in to say such a thing! The way a person feels is a subjective experience and cannot be felt by anyone else except by the Creator from which they came. In my humble opinion, the only "mortal", for lack of a better word, who is even remotely qualified to say what somebody else "is" or "isn't" would be a doctor who is physically "there" with that person...and even the best doctor on Earth cannot say for certain what someone "is" or "isn't" or how they feel and how they should feel.

I hope I'm not coming across as being mean...it's just that a lifetime of having to deal with all these B.S. mental health issues I've got plus all the stigma and judgement that comes along with them has put me in a place where I try not to ever judge a person or whatever condition they may or may not have. And by "B.S." I mean "pain-in-the-***"...not "bull****."

Please let this serve as a reminder to everyone who reads this.

"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." - Matthew 7:2
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Re: cant feel effects of dex...tiredness? expecting too much? need a higher dose?

if you dont feel some euphoria from dexedrine, that would be odd. it increases dopamine which is the "pleasure" neurotransmitter. i dont mean like tweaking euphoria, but there should be an enhancement in your engagement with what youre doing, at least asense of satisfacstion in actually doing what you have to do. remember, these drugs used to be antidepressants,and are used as such still.....your also a big dude, id imagine 15-20mg would be a startin dose for you, but thats a guess
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Re: cant feel effects of dex...tiredness? expecting too much? need a higher dose?

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I agree, although I think the term euphoria implies a feeling which is greater to that which is normal. I think if it is euphria that is felt then the dose is probably too high. I think it will and should make someone with ADHD feel better...in a better mood and less ADHD sypmtoms, but the mood shouldnt be better than the normal persons mood.

Of course, comparing your mood and how good you feel with that of other non-adhd people is another matter.

I took 15mg today about 90 mins ago and feel fine. Not jittery or anxious or anything, just more focused and that strange numbing/drowsy sensation in my temples. Strange tho since 7.5mg the other day made me feel in a worse mood. Ill see how I feel in the next few hours. If I start to feel worse then maybe the dose I have been taking are too high and thats why I dont feel good.

If not, is it possible that a low dose could make me feel anxious or jittery but a higher dose not? Perhaps norepinephrine agonism is stronger than dopamine agonism at low doses but dopamine is stonger at higher doses?
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