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Old 06-06-20, 03:46 PM
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Quick tolerance to caffeine, exercise or ginseng.

Few months ago i started to do exercise by doctor's recommendation. First few days it worked great, gave me energy and improved my mood. But then i started to feel no difference.
About 1 year ago i started to take Korean red ginseng pills. It was working very good at first and then never worked.
Also i realised that caffeine works almost like ritalin if i take it after a week break.
Why do i develop tolerance to everything so quickly? Do you have any suggestion?
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Re: Quick tolerance to caffeine, exercise or ginseng.

it is normal for everybody, in general people build tolerance to caffeine very quickly ( there are exceptions)

i suggest you to increase the amount of caffeine that you consume, after a point you find stabilization point. Filter coffee is good choice for it because it has highest cafein content among all coffee types.
Also there are special products on market, some coffee products which has 2x caffeine compared to other products

but do not expect ritalin like affects, caffeine is not CNS stimulant. Pharmacological properties of caffeine or any other otc stimulant cant be compared with a CNS stimulant

also it will be bad suggestion smoking or consuming nicotine would help ( nicotine tables etc. alternative way)

personally , i use my adhd medications beside i use wellbutrin, i smoke cigarette, i drink too much coffee but i dont build tolerance
because after a point body stops building tolerance in my opinion
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Re: Quick tolerance to caffeine, exercise or ginseng.

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it is normal for everybody, in general people build tolerance to caffeine very quickly ( there are exceptions)

i suggest you to increase the amount of caffeine that you consume, after a point you find stabilization point. Filter coffee is good choice for it because it has highest cafein content among all coffee types.
Also there are special products on market, some coffee products which has 2x caffeine compared to other products

but do not expect ritalin like affects, caffeine is not CNS stimulant. Pharmacological properties of caffeine or any other otc stimulant cant be compared with a CNS stimulant

also it will be bad suggestion smoking or consuming nicotine would help ( nicotine tables etc. alternative way)

personally , i use my adhd medications beside i use wellbutrin, i smoke cigarette, i drink too much coffee but i dont build tolerance
because after a point body stops building tolerance in my opinion
Have you ever tried cafe crown action (instant coffee(1.71 gr coffee) with guarana(90mg) and ginseng(it was 108 mg but now they lowered to 54mg))? When i used it for the first time it increased my mood, gave me self-confidence, concentration etc... I slept only 2-3 hours and woke up refreshed. It's unbelievable but i felt the effect even the next day. It's effects decreased day by day. It's effects were different and much better than coffee. It works (not as good as the first time) if i use it once a month. I drink double but it doesn't work when i use it daily. I don't think it was placebo because i had discovered it incidentally. I used 300 mg ginseng tablets also i don't know why but the effects of cafe crown action were better.
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Re: Quick tolerance to caffeine, exercise or ginseng.

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Have you ever tried cafe crown action (instant coffee(1.71 gr coffee) with guarana(90mg) and ginseng(it was 108 mg but now they lowered to 54mg))? When i used it for the first time it increased my mood, gave me self-confidence, concentration etc... I slept only 2-3 hours and woke up refreshed. It's unbelievable but i felt the effect even the next day. It's effects decreased day by day. It's effects were different and much better than coffee. It works (not as good as the first time) if i use it once a month. I drink double but it doesn't work when i use it daily. I don't think it was placebo because i had discovered it incidentally. I used 300 mg ginseng tablets also i don't know why but the effects of cafe crown action were better.


I use pharmaton gingseng, i just checked box, each pill contains 40mg panax gingseng root extract G115

I have been using it for more than 8 years , i guess but as i remember i didnt notice any difference. Ofc if we use same thing, 40mg is small amount compared to those doses

On the other hand , i have been drinking coffee ( high amounts) since i was 17 years old,
I started drinking it really much due to avoid sleeping during classes in high school. I was drinking it with cold water, nescafe gold.
Then drinking too much with empty stomach , disturbed the intestines. Only filter coffee allows me to drink as much as i want , and partially espresso or americano
but i really drink much , i had kidney sand because of it 3-4 years ago.

If you are going to increase amount of the caffeine that you consume , i suggest you to buy a machine or french press and thermos(there are also french press thermos') and make your own coffee, probably it is going to be really cheap.
Otherwise other coffee types are going to disturb your stomach and intensities

Ahh also it may cause gastritis, i remember that i had to deal with it for a month in past because i was drinking too much coffee with empty stomach and smoking cigarette

In summary, filter coffee is best choice for more caffeine wiithout problems

But also i want to remind you , see those stimulants as reinforcement, even combination of all of them can make the difference that methylphenidate makes
Because none of them can directly inhibit reuptake of dopamine in certain areas of brain
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Re: Quick tolerance to caffeine, exercise or ginseng.

It feels like probably sometimes you feel that methylphenidate is not enough alone despite the fact that dose increment doesnt help

I have the same problem, i researched about legality of dextroamphetamine in Turkey

And i found interesting detail Turkey medicines and medical devices agency allows it's import, but it isn't sold in Turkey
I will ask it to my doctor soon , maybe patients can import personally but got no idea how do they do, from which country how whom etc.

I assumed that you arent completely happy with methylphenidate just like me
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Re: Quick tolerance to caffeine, exercise or ginseng.

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I started drinking it really much due to avoid sleeping during classes in high school. I was drinking it with cold water, nescafe gold.
That's interesting. I was swallowing raw Turkish coffee with water especially just before important exams when i was in high school
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