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Old 09-27-19, 03:27 AM
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less nicotine more ADD

I am on my 28th day without a cigarette!
I feel amazing- healthy, energetic, and just generally happier. I'm using a 14mg nicotine patch daily, and even with the occasional craving I have zero desire to smoke another cigarette ever again

but...

My ADD symptoms are completely out of control.
I didn't know nicotine helps with ADD symptoms until I switched my nicotine patch from 21 mg to 14 mg (after 7 days w/o a cig). The first week was easy with the patch, but when I stepped down my dose I started getting real spacey, forgetting important items, getting lost, being late - my typical symptoms just amp-ed up a bit. But also I couldn't focus on people talking right in front of me, couldn't focus on a task for more than 20 minutes (even the stuff I normally like to work on), sleeping only 4 hours a night but not tired, I even forgot about what I was talking about mid-sentence (I'm a public speaker, losing your thoughts in front of an audience is not ok). My patch fell off last night and I didn't put a new one on until first thing in the morning- this morning was an absolute train wreck that ended with a box of smashed donuts, broken purse strap with contents strewn about my car and me sobbing while driving into work late again - I am not a crying person, especially over donuts...

I have been prescribed adderall, never really took it regularly though. I've been taking it the last few days and its definitely helping and I feel more like my typical self again.
Here's my fear though - While the patches are better for me than a cigarette, I'm still taking a medium sized dose of nicotine every day, how much worse is it going to get? And if this is ADD symptoms and not just nicotine withdrawal like I initially thought then does that mean this is my new normal? I always considered myself to have a "mild" case of ADD, have I just been self-medicating this entire time?!?!?

In true hyper-focus fashion I have scoured the internet reading "scholarly articles" about the link between nicotine dependence and ADD, but found very little in the form of actual ADD-ers talking about what that link feels like, and what happens when we cut the link...

Has anyone else quit smoking and experienced a sharp increase in ADD symptoms? Did it eventually fade back to where you were before or did you have to make other changes?
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Re: less nicotine more ADD

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00573248
https://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/news/...oncentration#1
I found these two articles about the link between adhd and nicotine.

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I am on my 28th day without a cigarette!
I feel amazing- healthy, energetic, and just generally happier. I'm using a 14mg nicotine patch daily, and even with the occasional craving I have zero desire to smoke another cigarette ever again

but...

My ADD symptoms are completely out of control.
I didn't know nicotine helps with ADD symptoms until I switched my nicotine patch from 21 mg to 14 mg (after 7 days w/o a cig). The first week was easy with the patch, but when I stepped down my dose I started getting real spacey, forgetting important items, getting lost, being late - my typical symptoms just amp-ed up a bit. But also I couldn't focus on people talking right in front of me, couldn't focus on a task for more than 20 minutes (even the stuff I normally like to work on), sleeping only 4 hours a night but not tired, I even forgot about what I was talking about mid-sentence (I'm a public speaker, losing your thoughts in front of an audience is not ok). My patch fell off last night and I didn't put a new one on until first thing in the morning- this morning was an absolute train wreck that ended with a box of smashed donuts, broken purse strap with contents strewn about my car and me sobbing while driving into work late again - I am not a crying person, especially over donuts...

I have been prescribed adderall, never really took it regularly though. I've been taking it the last few days and its definitely helping and I feel more like my typical self again.
Here's my fear though - While the patches are better for me than a cigarette, I'm still taking a medium sized dose of nicotine every day, how much worse is it going to get? And if this is ADD symptoms and not just nicotine withdrawal like I initially thought then does that mean this is my new normal? I always considered myself to have a "mild" case of ADD, have I just been self-medicating this entire time?!?!?

In true hyper-focus fashion I have scoured the internet reading "scholarly articles" about the link between nicotine dependence and ADD, but found very little in the form of actual ADD-ers talking about what that link feels like, and what happens when we cut the link...

Has anyone else quit smoking and experienced a sharp increase in ADD symptoms? Did it eventually fade back to where you were before or did you have to make other changes?
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Re: less nicotine more ADD

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Originally Posted by purple192 View Post
I am on my 28th day without a cigarette!
I feel amazing- healthy, energetic, and just generally happier. I'm using a 14mg nicotine patch daily, and even with the occasional craving I have zero desire to smoke another cigarette ever again

but...

My ADD symptoms are completely out of control.
I didn't know nicotine helps with ADD symptoms until I switched my nicotine patch from 21 mg to 14 mg (after 7 days w/o a cig). The first week was easy with the patch, but when I stepped down my dose I started getting real spacey, forgetting important items, getting lost, being late - my typical symptoms just amp-ed up a bit. But also I couldn't focus on people talking right in front of me, couldn't focus on a task for more than 20 minutes (even the stuff I normally like to work on), sleeping only 4 hours a night but not tired, I even forgot about what I was talking about mid-sentence (I'm a public speaker, losing your thoughts in front of an audience is not ok). My patch fell off last night and I didn't put a new one on until first thing in the morning- this morning was an absolute train wreck that ended with a box of smashed donuts, broken purse strap with contents strewn about my car and me sobbing while driving into work late again - I am not a crying person, especially over donuts...

I have been prescribed adderall, never really took it regularly though. I've been taking it the last few days and its definitely helping and I feel more like my typical self again.
Here's my fear though - While the patches are better for me than a cigarette, I'm still taking a medium sized dose of nicotine every day, how much worse is it going to get? And if this is ADD symptoms and not just nicotine withdrawal like I initially thought then does that mean this is my new normal? I always considered myself to have a "mild" case of ADD, have I just been self-medicating this entire time?!?!?

In true hyper-focus fashion I have scoured the internet reading "scholarly articles" about the link between nicotine dependence and ADD, but found very little in the form of actual ADD-ers talking about what that link feels like, and what happens when we cut the link...

Has anyone else quit smoking and experienced a sharp increase in ADD symptoms? Did it eventually fade back to where you were before or did you have to make other changes?

First up, smoking is much worse than nicotine gum/ patches.
Ive seen some interesting material from an osteopath who specialises in autonomic nervous system failure (resulting in low blood flow to the brain when upright- aka orthostatic intolerance).

He observes that stimulants and nicotine both have the same effect in countering this problem.
So that explains why we find both kinds of drug helpful.
Marked withdrawal effects are common with nicotine, and are expected to settle.
This sort of problerm would be expected to improve with aerobic fitness.
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