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Old 06-30-05, 09:08 AM
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The Most Annoyingingly Awful Article Ever Written

1st up i'm pretty much new so if this needs to be in another section i would appreciate it if the mods could move it for me.
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Rightyho those of who live in England will know there is still so much more that needs to be learnt about the condition, for a start even trained professionals only really recognise extreme ADHD, and not any type of ADD.
While the public at large in England don't even know it exists. I told my friends I grew up with that I was diagnosed, hoping the symptons that i described would make them realise (since they've known me long enough, and have stood waiting outside my house waiting for me) it wasn't a joke, but they laughed it off as some fancy American excuse. Needless to say they are no longer friends but I still think that the population at large still think its bad parenting

Anyway Now the dreadful Article, with a clear hidden agenda
This was written in March 2005 by Leo McKinstry of the british paper 'The Spectator"

Warning please don't read if like me you get angry easily.

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Leo McKinstry on the scandal of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, whereby parents are paid to bring up their children badly


Apart from the weather, the food and the landscape, one of the great joys of visiting France is to witness the behaviour of the children there, which is in such contrast to the noisy, aggressive, defiant, whingeing, tiresome selfishness of all too many British youngsters. Even when surrounded by families in a French restaurant, you can still hold a conversation without being constantly interrupted by puerile screeching, crying, charging and table-thumping. And whenever I reach the Channel Tunnel terminal at Calais on the return leg of a trip to France, I know from the din of temper tantrums that I am once more approaching the land of the spoilt brat.

Yet, according to influential psychiatric opinion, the badly behaved child here deserves our sympathy rather than our condemnation. For the seven-year-old boy yelling his head off or kicking other children is actually suffering from a worrying medical condition, known as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, or ADHD. It is ADHD that causes him to hurl chairs at his teacher and abuse at strangers. It is ADHD that leads him into fights, crime and drug abuse. His lack of self-control is nothing more than a desperate cry for help in the midst of his illness.

Tragically, a large swath of Britain’s youth now appears to be in the grip of ADHD, with an estimated 6 to 8 per cent of our children suffering from this distressing ailment. Psychiatrists have long been aware of the problems of the ill-disciplined, overactive child; as long ago as 1865 the German physician Heinrich Hoffman wrote of a boy he called ‘fidgety Philip’ who ‘won’t sit still, wriggles, giggles, swings backwards and forwards, tilts up his chair’ and would probably grow up to be ‘rude and wild’. But it was only in 1987 that the label of Attention Deficit Disorder — later lengthened to include hyperactivity — was officially attached to such behaviour. First used in the USA, it soon became fashionable in England.

Predictably, once the condition had been created, huge numbers of children were soon found to be its victims. Because the psychiatric profession and child experts hold that ADHD is a neurobiological condition, caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, the main treatment they advocate is the use of mind-altering drugs, such as methylphenidate, widely sold in Britain as Ritalin, which is said to improve concentration and reduce impulsiveness, aggression and hyperactivity in ADHD sufferers. An indication of the growing popularity of the ADHD diagnosis can be gleaned from the fact that in 2003–04 no fewer than 329,300 prescriptions for methylphenidate were dished out, compared with 271,300 in 2002–3 and just 2,000 in the early 1990s, before awareness of ADHD really took off.

In official circles, including the Department of Health, the existence of ADHD as a physical medical condition is now accepted as a fact. ‘No evidence exists to suggest that ADHD is caused by anything other than neurobiological malfunctioning,’ claims Dr Nikos Myttas, consultant child psychiatrist at the Finchley Memorial hospital. Yet a glance at the symptoms for ADHD as listed in the latest edition of the Diagnostic Systems Manual — the psychiatrists’ bible for analysing disorders — points to an almost laughable vagueness. Most of these symptoms could apply to almost any child who is not a swot or teacher’s pet. So the ADHD sufferer is said to ‘dislike or avoid tasks that involve sustained mental effort such as homework’. He also ‘doesn’t appear to listen when told something’, can be ‘forgetful’, has ‘trouble waiting his turn’, makes ‘careless errors in schoolwork’, ‘talks excessively’, ‘loses materials needed for activities’ and ‘inappropriately runs or climbs’.

What the Diagnostic Manual appears to be describing is the average British school pupil. Indeed, the magazine Practical Parenting stated in a feature on ADD that ‘tasks that are boring, routine and uninteresting are especially difficult for people with ADD’, though they ‘can readily perform on easy tasks such as watching TV and playing video games’. On that basis, 95 per cent of teenagers must have ADD. Yet in the name of the so-called disease, tens of thousands of children are now being given heavy doses of government-sanctioned drugs which could cause lasting damage to their brains. A host of studies have shown that Ritalin, which is far more powerful than cannabis, can cause users to become robotic, lethargic, depressed and even suicidal, as well as promoting addiction to other drugs and stunting growth. Only last week, health regulators in Canada suspended Adderall XR, a drug for ADHD made by the British pharmaceutical giant Shire, following the deaths of 20 people, including 12 children, who had taken it between 1999 and 2003.

Given the flimsiness of the symptoms of ADHD and the potential harm caused by such drugs, it might seem surprising that there has not been a stronger outcry against the way that children in Britain and America are now so casually labelled as mentally unbalanced. But there is a sinister alliance at work here, one which has a vested interest in promoting the diagnosis of ADHD. This coalition includes child psychiatrists, counsellors, special-needs advisers and pressure-group lobbyists whose work depends on the belief that large numbers of children are suffering from mental illness. Just as important are the drug companies like the Swiss giant Novartis, which makes Ritalin and needs to create a growing demand for its products to boost its profits. Tellingly, several of the leading ADHD pressure groups in the USA are partly funded by drug manufacturers.

Then there are the thousands of parents of ‘difficult’ children. Two different factors have often led them to jump on the ADHD bandwagon. The first is the way that an ADHD diagnosis absolves them of responsibility for any failures in child-rearing. They are not to be blamed if their offspring are wilful, disobedient, inattentive or violent; it is all the fault of neurotransmitters in the brain. Parenting means years of hard, demanding work and a willingness to impose discipline and boundaries on children. For those who are not up to the task, it is so much easier to rely on a few chemicals to keep a child in line.

But the second factor is even more insidious. Thanks to the generosity of Gordon Brown’s ever-expanding welfare state, it now pays parents financially to have their children diagnosed as having ADHD. With that label, the child is now officially classified as ‘disabled’ under the present social security system. And so the way is opened to a cornucopia of taxpayer-funded benefits. The family with an ADHD child can claim a weekly Disability Living Allowance, worth a maximum of £99.85, plus a carer’s allowance of up to £44.35 per week, and the disabled child tax credit, now standing at £2,285 per year. If the family is on income support — and, inevitably, many ADHD children are brought up in jobless households — the parents can also claim a disability premium worth up to £42.49 per week, plus a carer’s entitlement of £25.55 a week, a reduction of 50 per cent in the TV licence fee, and grants from the social fund which can help with basic household goods.

This is the madhouse of modern Britain, where families of badly behaved children are rewarded by the state with an increase in welfare benefits. It is no wonder that juvenile violence and classroom anarchy are spiralling out of control. According to the latest government figures, the families of no fewer than 42,500 children are now receiving Disability Living Allowance because of ‘behavioural disorders’. In one survey carried out in the north-east of England, two thirds of families with ADHD children are receiving Disability Living Allowance. In fact, my interest in this problem was first aroused when a postmaster in Essex complained to me about the flood of parents smugly queuing up to receive their benefits because of their ill-disciplined ADHD children. ‘It’s quite a racket,’ he said bitterly.

‘Racket’ is exactly the word. There is simply no hard scientific evidence to support the theory of ADHD. The fact that some brain scans show differences between ADHD and non-ADHD children only reveals the dire effects of methylphenidate. Nor can neuroscience explain why boys are three times more likely to have ADHD than girls. If ADHD were really caused by neurobiology, it could not be affected by behavioural therapy, yet even the most fervent ADHD enthusiasts admit that the problem can be reduced by the imposition of strict discipline. The independent health provider Bupa, for instance, states in a current advice fact-sheet on ADHD, ‘Parents can help their child by providing a structured environment with clear rules of acceptable behaviour. Good behaviour should be reinforced with rewards and bad behaviour should be ignored.’ In other words, the treatment lies in nothing more than solid, traditional parenting.

In ADHD, the psychiatric profession is peddling pseudo-science to match social attitudes, as it always has done. Thus until the 1960s psychiatrists used to claim that homosexuality was a mental disorder; today, homophobia is the mental problem. The founding father of American psychiatry, Dr Benjamin Rush, declared in 1797 that black people’s skin colour led to a disorder he called ‘negritude’. Now racial prejudice is classified by some as an illness caused by brain malfunction. In the same way, ADHD is exactly in line with pervasive, grievance-fixated liberal thinking which states that we are never responsible for our actions, that we are all victims of our genetic make-up.

The real reasons for the growth in the number of poorly behaved children in modern Britain are not hard to fathom and have absolutely nothing to do with chemical imbalances in the brain. Primary causes include: the collapse of discipline in schools due to the introduction of child-centred learning and the loss of teachers’ authority; the breakdown of the two-parent family, which has left a generation of boys without fathers as role models; the politically correct, post-1960s theories of childcare experts who have made parents feel guilty about punishing their children for wrongdoing; and the dangerous emphasis on so-called children’s rights, which has helped to make them tyrants at home and in the classroom. Few of these notions prevail on the Continent, where traditional teaching and the family still exist. And is it a coincidence that the neurological disorder called ADHD is almost unknown across the Channel?

www.spectator.co.uk
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Hi Zulu:

I understand your reaction to this article.

People used to think the earth was flat, too, it took awhile to convince them.

I have concerns, too, about over-medicating children and I wonder if some children aren't misdiagnosed with ADD/HD.

I also wonder about the modern lifestyle, it is too sedentary. We ask children and adults to curb their need for physical movement, hours on end. I don't think it's natural to sit at a desk 8 hours a day.

Sadly, his article fails to include children who don't throw temper tantrums or misbehave but suffer in silence with fears, anxieties, and low self-esteem while fighting to appear normal.

From my understanding, the British press can be quite vicious.

Rather than focus on those who do not accept the diagnosis of ADD/HD, look at a wide range of fact-based studies for yourself to determine your own opinions about the use of drugs, and their side effects, etc.

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It's not that ADHD is unknown by the majority here,it's just pure ignorance-many still think only kids get it,and they are that way because they are hyped up on sugar or some other pathetic steriotype.

The article writer should be hit over the head for judging something he knows naff all about.

I'm fed up of people assuming those with ADHD just have a problem with sitting still,
how dare the writer make out we are not deserving of disability status,it really shows who is the real
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"aggressive, defiant, whingeing, tiresome selfish"
person of this article-not the innocent people he is steriotyping,but himself.


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I might if anyone else is thinking of doing it,the more,the merrier as that saying goes.
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Hi Zulu:

I understand your reaction to this article.

People used to think the earth was flat, too, it took awhile to convince them.
What do you mean people USED to think the world was flat. Apparently, Leo McKinstry still does!

The only way that I can find to deal with people like this is to tell myself that they are part of the lower half.

The lower half being those under the average IQ.

So, since the average IQ in the U.S. is 100 that would mean half of the people are over an IQ of 100 and half are under. People like this are so obviously UNDER or LOWER half.

And the sad thing is there isn't any medication, therapy, or meditation techniques that will EVER change that!

So we tolerate their existance......for now.
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This guy isn’t a reporter; he’s a columnist. From what I can gather, he occupies a place similar to the more conservative lowbrow opinion mongers here in the USofA.

So it isn’t an article, it’s just opinion. Since the guy’s career depends on him being controversial, he finds ways to justify lying.

If I were you, I wouldn’t give him the satisfaction of being upset about it. That would help justify his salary.
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The worst thing of all is there's obviously a hidden agenda, and unfortunately it is at our (ADD/ADHD sufferers) expense
I honestly don't think he cares if it is real or not, I think he wrote this coincidently (or not IMO) before the elections.
He was obviously trying to promote his conservative views, by trying to make people angry at the fact that their tax money goes to aid, "bad parents"

Obviously we know other wise and thankfully the socialist ideals of englands more liberal political parties are still going strong.
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no hidden agenda here. BLATANT rabble rousing inconvincing junk
sooo
when a lot of people do something its automatically invalid? just by virtue of the sheer numbers of people involved?
if there are ppl who use the fact that adhd wasn't identified until recently, does that mean that it never existed?
could it be that ppl used to relegate us to such categories as....loser, good for nothing, failure, rude persons..etc.
so could we have been living under a different guise as we still do until we inform people that our universe is different?
i don't think that the world should conform to suit us. this isn't my ultimate reason for being frustrated about the ignorance out there its more about the harm that happens when children grow up without the help and support they need
and when already disadvantaged populations are given the double whammy: hey the rest of the world thinks that your everyday struggle to conform in a one shape world when your another- is not valid!
just because someone doesn't recognize something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
most of these naysayers have similiar perspectives..they say: i have moments where i am tired, can't pay attention- don't want to do stuff. i don't have adhd.
and what they fail to understand is that..this is like saying hey you're not blind (for example) b/c sometimes my eyes struggle to see fine print two miles away...and i'm not blind..so you must not be blind. we both can't see that.
wtf?
never mind if the print is on the nose of a blind person they STILL CAN'T READ IT
idiots.
maybe i should change my name to rant-a-licious
perhaps i shouldn't go to the net when the spector of insomnia haunts me, causes this delirous submission to any concious thought/blurryyy things
the docs are fighting about this. that means adhd doesn't exist. some ppl have more adhd and less adhd. that means its not real. companies like to make money selling drugs. that means adhd doesn't exist. your neighbor thinks you're just a crappy parent. hey! guess what? the theme of our lives : it don't exist.
nevermind your REALITY
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ADD is a scapegoat for ignorant, bitter and angry old farts to whinge about declining moral standards.
It would be poetic justice if some of them ended up with hyper-ADHD children/grandchildren.
Be interesting to hear what they had to say on the subject then.
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Thank you for posting that.

About 6 years ago, our local community college brought nationally syndicated columnist and (unlicensed) "family therapist" Joh Rosemand up to Minnesota form Charlotte,NC.

His topic was ADHD, but I wasn't prepared for when he said it was "fake" and there was no genetic research, etc. He then blamed it on "bad parenting."

The funny thing is that I went to grad school in N.C. and one of my good friends from school is one of his best friends, so we hit it off personally.

When he was finished, it was supposed to followed by a panel discusion on ADHD with Mr. Rosemand, a pediatric psychiatrist,a pediatrician, an Occupational Therapist who specializes in Sensory Integration Disorder and a child psychologist who specializes in ADHD kids and is an adult ADHD ( ) The other panel members are friends of mine and they're all excellent in their fields.The psychiatrist's parent's ran a Summer camp for disabled children while he was growing up, so he had strong feelings as well.

Maybe he could tell by the "stroke " I was politely having on the front row or maybe he REALLY did have a sudden emergency that required him to leave just before we started, it really didn't matter.

We all did an excellent job of debunking him and it was fun to boot. After passing out handouts on landmark research studies (that supposedly didn't exist) and then going over the premier molecular genetics study at that time (Cook, et.al., 1995), we got a positive response form the audience.

The following week I also received a letter from a member the local county health dept thanking me for having the "courage to stand up in public and call him a liar."

I must confess that I'm guilty of that. I also said that it's "unethical to deceive the public (and that ignorance doesn't count when it's about the world's most widely researched childhood disorder) and that it's fraudulent to charge money for that." In Minnesota, if he were licensed, he would probably lose his license for that.

Earlier he had said quite bluntly..... "Don't trust people with capital letters after their last names. They only want to take your money and get rich."

I later said........."The only person getting rich here was the one signing his new book out in the hall before this started"... and that... "psychiatry is among the lowest paid medical specialties." I also made it clear that I would not have hesitated to say the same things if he were present than in absentia.

I also offered to sell anyone who believed he really had to leave for a sudden emergency instead of sitting in on the panel discussion, swamp land in Florida;cheap.

The best part was that at the end of my turn, I added FOS and BFD to his last name
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FOS I'm pretty sure I can figure out; but, BFD? if unappropriate for the forums please pm me with the answer. I may be ADHD; but, life's truly important questions are never forgotten. And being the true ADD'er I'm going to take a stab at it...Big duhduhdunnnnnn Deal?

When I read articles such as this two things come to mind.

1. I never notice them mentioning their own children and have to chuckle at their stupidity and how it will eventually bite them in the pants or they are not a major part of their children's up bringing and feel sorry for all they miss out on tantrums included.

2. News is sensationalism and the more negative reaction the higher the paycheck, why would I want to endorse ignorance with my reaction?
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Nuts,

You're one of my faves. It is as you suspected.......Big F...... Deal.

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oops.... I misspelled his first name...... it's John.

I know, I know, its no bfd, but accuracy counts when you're kicking ***

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Nicely done, mctavish. Ten master points for that.

One of our favorite implications of the theory that AD/HD marks an ongoing speciation event is that these people are literally the dinosaurs of our time. The roar we're hearing is the death throes of their kind.

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You never heard BFD before, Futs? Even our kids use it around here. (grin…)
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Thanks. I appreciate it.

Nice metaphor btw.
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i can't read the article but the title alone is enough to answer to. we are not ill. and we are not naughty either. well, not most of the time anyway. and not the way it is implied in that article which i kind of breezed though in an impressionistic way.

the brits are always very dismissive of anything to do with psychiatric stuff. england is the home of the stiff upper lip after all. i'm married to a brit and was married to another brit before (glutton for punishment?). although this one actually did go for counselling once upon a time, the other one, who is a healthcare professional btw, even claimed that allergies are just an American invention. (did i ever mention he's judgemental and intolerant?) imagine what he'd say if he found out his ex-wife has this wonderful style of mental functioning mislabeled as ADD???....perish the thought.......LOL!!!! on second thought (the dex has worn off so i'm being a bit the usual....trying to grab thoughts as they fly about through the air) i don't want to hear what he'd say at all at all. (now i need that icon, that modified happy face which is blowing a raspberry...)
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I have wondered about what is REALLY underneath this for years. 'This' being screaming, angry denial that biochemical disorders directly cause behavioral and mental differences.

No matter what compelling evidence is laid out for these folks, they cling, almost desperately, to perjorative, shaming, blaming explanations, i.e., parental disipline is to blame, the schools are to blame, television is to blame etc.. In other words it's SOMEONE'S FAULT.

My theory is that they don't want to give up their feeling of moral superiority because they don't have messy houses, terrible memories, trouble with foreign languages or whatever. Embracing the idea that people who do have trouble with such things are actually physically ill not "lazy" or ""don't apply themselves" or "stupid" would devastate their self-esteem, since it is construted entirely of self-righteous indignation.

Soon it will be universally known ADD is 100% medically caused, and the most vociferous of these people will be viewed by the world at large as compassionless, mean-spirited, intellectual bantom-weights.

I guess it never pays to be an ***.
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