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Brain waves for diagnosis?

"It's Finally Here: The First Brain Wave Test to Diagnose ADHD" by Wayne Kalyn in ADDitude

I saw this article and was wondering if studying brain waves for diagnosing adhd has gone anywhere?

I was actually looking up brain waves cause my mom has abnormally fast ones. It said these people tend to feel high anxiety and stress, so true for my mom.

And then surprisingly it mentioned possible slower brain waves (forgot which type) for adhders.

Is this for real?

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Old 09-01-19, 09:00 AM
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Re: Brain waves for diagnosis?

Hmm, that article is 6 years old. You'd think we'd have heard if there has
been any progress. I'd be more interested in getting an MRI and see how a
map of my brain functions compares to a 'normal' brain.
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Old 09-01-19, 10:17 AM
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Re: Brain waves for diagnosis?

A large number of people with adhd have comorbid anxiety.
How would the brain waves function in those people (me)?
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Re: Brain waves for diagnosis?

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A large number of people with adhd have comorbid anxiety.
How would the brain waves function in those people (me)?
I didn't get the impression that anxiety caused abnormal brain waves. I thought abnormally high brain waves caused anxiety. So most people with anxiety (like yourself, would not have fast brain waves) but people with fast brain waves would mostly have anxiety.

I don't know about someone who has the fast brain wave problem and adhd - would that balance out and make their waves normal lol - I don't know.

But mrzphl is probably right. The article is 6 years old. I remember people talking about a new test just for kids maybe a few years ago but haven' heard anything since. So maybe it just didn'tn pan out.
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Re: Brain waves for diagnosis?

I do not know anything about the theta and beta waves but I can share something interesting about my own alpha and delta waves. I suffered horrible insomnia my whole life. About 10 years ago I had a sleep study done. When our brain is in its active state we have more alpha waves- so these generally occur when we are awake, or thinking. When we are in deep sleep we have delta waves which is just basically the brain being at rest with very little activity going on(this is not to be confused with REM sleep). Well with my study during my deep sleep phases I still had a lot more or above average alpha waves so even in my rest periods my brain is always going a little bit. Now what this has to do with sleep is up for debate. My doctor told me that it could explain the bipolar and adhd in her opinion and possibly why I am such an early riser but most importantly it is why I do not need the standard 8 hours of sleep that we are all told is a must. You know how old people always get up super early? As we age our need for sleep is lessoned a bit. Being an alcoholic I needed to be careful with controlled substances and I never really felt like I was getting true sleep with those types of meds. So I went through my own sleep training that took nine months. I go to bed and wake up in the same window of time every day. For me its bed between 10-12 and up between 4-6 and since I did that I feel wonderful. The routine works most nights like clockwork although the bipolar mania manifests in sleeplessness sometimes (like tonight). I do not have scientific proof that any of this is true or know of any studies proving it. I only know what I discussed with the sleep doc and how it turned out for me. But I believe in general there are a lot of things that could be explained or studied more when it comes to brain waves.
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Re: Brain waves for diagnosis?

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I do not know anything about the theta and beta waves but I can share something interesting about my own alpha and delta waves. I suffered horrible insomnia my whole life. About 10 years ago I had a sleep study done. When our brain is in its active state we have more alpha waves- so these generally occur when we are awake, or thinking. When we are in deep sleep we have delta waves which is just basically the brain being at rest with very little activity going on(this is not to be confused with REM sleep). Well with my study during my deep sleep phases I still had a lot more or above average alpha waves so even in my rest periods my brain is always going a little bit. Now what this has to do with sleep is up for debate. My doctor told me that it could explain the bipolar and adhd in her opinion and possibly why I am such an early riser but most importantly it is why I do not need the standard 8 hours of sleep that we are all told is a must. You know how old people always get up super early? As we age our need for sleep is lessoned a bit. Being an alcoholic I needed to be careful with controlled substances and I never really felt like I was getting true sleep with those types of meds. So I went through my own sleep training that took nine months. I go to bed and wake up in the same window of time every day. For me its bed between 10-12 and up between 4-6 and since I did that I feel wonderful. The routine works most nights like clockwork although the bipolar mania manifests in sleeplessness sometimes (like tonight). I do not have scientific proof that any of this is true or know of any studies proving it. I only know what I discussed with the sleep doc and how it turned out for me. But I believe in general there are a lot of things that could be explained or studied more when it comes to brain waves.
that's very interesting. I just found the below which provides more details on the type of waves affected by adhd. It's from a center that is still active so I assume the info on the webpage is still up-to-date.

Maybe they are still using the brain waves test in some places though the test isn't supported by all (or this guy is a quack I don't know). According to this, I got it wrong, it's not that we have slower brain waves, its that we have lower frequency theta waves and excessive alpha activity like you sarahsweets.

"Understanding Brainwaves" from Center for Attention Deficit and Learning Disorders

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"It's Finally Here: The First Brain Wave Test to Diagnose ADHD" by Wayne Kalyn in ADDitude

I saw this article and was wondering if studying brain waves for diagnosing adhd has gone anywhere?

I was actually looking up brain waves cause my mom has abnormally fast ones. It said these people tend to feel high anxiety and stress, so true for my mom.

And then surprisingly it mentioned possible slower brain waves (forgot which type) for adhders.

Is this for real?

Yes,this is for real. The test has been used for about 15 years, and that article was focussing on the fact that it is now FDA approved for this purpose.


Usually it will show up as a higher theta to beta ratio in ADHD.
It can identify quite a number of psychiatric conditions.


It is possible to train a person into a more suitable brainwave pattern using neurobiofeedback. This is also effective, but it is expensive as it is labour intensive.

Strictly speaking there is no need to use any special apparatus to diagnose ADHD, as ADHD is a clinical diagnosis, and there are probably quite a few different causes, and there is no one single pathology. However it is helpful in some cases where the clinical diagnosis is unclear.
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that's very interesting. I just found the below which provides more details on the type of waves affected by adhd. It's from a center that is still active so I assume the info on the webpage is still up-to-date.

Maybe they are still using the brain waves test in some places though the test isn't supported by all (or this guy is a quack I don't know). According to this, I got it wrong, it's not that we have slower brain waves, its that we have lower frequency theta waves and excessive alpha activity like you sarahsweets.

"Understanding Brainwaves" from Center for Attention Deficit and Learning Disorders
No, he is not a quack. The test is FDA approved. That is stated in the article.
The common pattern is INCREASED theta wave activity and DECREASED beta.
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Re: Brain waves for diagnosis?

this need to by double checked by a specialist doctor.
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Re: Brain waves for diagnosis?

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Yes,this is for real. The test has been used for about 15 years, and that article was focussing on the fact that it is now FDA approved for this purpose.


Usually it will show up as a higher theta to beta ratio in ADHD.
It can identify quite a number of psychiatric conditions.


It is possible to train a person into a more suitable brainwave pattern using neurobiofeedback. This is also effective, but it is expensive as it is labour intensive.

Strictly speaking there is no need to use any special apparatus to diagnose ADHD, as ADHD is a clinical diagnosis, and there are probably quite a few different causes, and there is no one single pathology. However it is helpful in some cases where the clinical diagnosis is unclear.
I thought you posted somewhere else about getting training yourself. Did it help with maintaining eye contact? Also, did you undergo the brain waves training and did it help with other adhd symptoms as well?

This subject is pretty interesting. I wish it were more well known that our brain wave patterns are different. It's an actual noticeable difference in the brain.
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