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Old 04-24-10, 09:35 AM
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ADD-I traits, a community effort!

All of my life I thought I was pretty unique, both in weakness and in strong points, going through a number of threads its pretty amazing the similarities I have with people here.

I found the forum a few hours ago and I selected to see threads with the most replies. Most of the popular threads were asking to see if a trait was common with other ADD-I members. As I said it was quite amazing to me to find that I had most of these traits. I use the word traits and not symptoms, as some of the descriptions were positive.

Could you list traits that have been mentioned frequently? We could make a poll with many different traits to see what is closely correlated with ADD. Please try to be concise and specific, and mention one thing at a time, so it would be easier to answer in the poll. At this time I am in this over focused mode mentioned before, and I would really want to see the results in an ADD-I poll.

1. Lack of energy to follow through and finish chores, projects e.t.c.
2. Issues with social anxiety
3. Over thinking
4. High intuition, see connections that other people do not.
5. Low in emotional energy.
6. Issues with procrastination.
7. A dislike for schedules and structure even if we know that at times help.
8. A problem going to bed early.
9. Not very social.
10. Do not enjoy small talk.
11. Difficulty putting thoughts into words.
12. tip of the tongue phenomenon with words or names.
13. Natural inclination for pastries, sweet foods.

Please add more, random ideas are fine, either way we would get statistics from the poll.
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Old 04-24-10, 12:12 PM
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Re: ADD-I traits, a community effort!

I'd add
  • undirected hyperfocus, which is almost OCD in nature.
  • Tendency to lose things, objects, children.
  • Issues with with safe and aware driving (though for me it's mostly bumping into pillars that have magically sprung up in the middle of parking lots )
  • chronic disorganization (the paper monster takes over our homes/offices)
  • poor money management
  • timeliness (always running late/underestimating time to do or complete a task)
  • sleep disorders (RLS, PLMS, etc)
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Re: ADD-I traits, a community effort!

I think this is a very important thread. I am making this a sticky and I hope you will all contribute to arrive at a useful combined ADHD-I trait list.
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Re: ADD-I traits, a community effort!

i feel that i have many similarities but when I hyperfocused last about this i actually combined many small detailed traits into a more generic list....

1. Loss of Energy (ranging from severe to moderate, this can effect getting out of bed, taking hours to get ready and still being late, inability to finish tasks/projects, etc.... insert yours here lol)

2. Sleep Disturbance (anything from sleeping only during the day, always feeling tired, never sleeping at night, frequent napper, etc.)

3. Intelligence (exceptionally smart, more intuitive in all senses, commonly "too many smarts, not enough ways to let it out")

4. Impulsiveness/Indecisiveness (anywhere from money, putting things off, in all essence it can simply boil down to "i know the effects but i dont care to deal with it right now")

5. Solitude by nature (varying degrees of exclusion from society, peers, family, etc. for varying reasons; distractions, being in our own world, comfort, etc.)

6. Height.Weight (im not entirely sure of the bearing of this, but I'm extremely tall (6ft 2in) and insanely underweight but ive always tested healthy levels of everything LOL... ive noticed everyone I know that is AD/HD is skinny, and im beginning to wonder if being taller than the norm is included?

ehh that's it for now... someone just instant messaged me and totally f'ed up my groove lol
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Cool Re: ADD-I traits, a community effort!

WOW... so ME!

Brain not functioning well enough to do a list myself really... though I had to let you know I fit everything (except the skinny part... I wish!)

*talk too much... motor mouth... (at times)
*can't get out all that I'm thinking and have it sound right
*then somedays - I feel almost normal. But I can't count on it
*don't want to call anyone because I can't think of anything to say... then on other days... I want to call everyone and chat chat chat
*social inconsistency
*Don't remember how to have/be/get a best friend...
*Having someone just hang out or work beside me helps me get things done. I soooo wish I could afford a personal assistant... I would get so much done!
*did I say random thoughts?
*starting an exercise regime causes anxiety, can make me cry... (I've always had weight issues and food moods/cravings)
*starting any routine causes anxiety (what if it's not perfect? what if I go on vacation and can't do it... or something else happens and I can't maintain... or I'm not in the mood?)
*I plan ALOT
*I love reading about organizing and ideas for solutions to being organized

Sorry all... I'll finish there. Hope some of this makes sense and fits in.
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Re: ADD-I traits, a community effort!



I would add:



Reading a book is near enough impossible, unless it's something I really feel a driving need to finish it.

I'm mildly dyslexic, sorry, can't spell either.

Verbal dyslexia, saying things that totally don't make sense, when you know the word you should have used, but it doesn't come out. For example, "I went on a train...I mean boat."

To piggy back that one, misspeaking, has never stopped my verbal diarreha. Spend hours on the phone.

Continually going somewhere in your home and forgetting what you went in the room for.

Talking over other people, especially on the phone.

When talking a mile a minute, doing it so loudly that family and coworkers give you the hand gester to bring it down.

Crying so easily.

And I certainly have an uncany ability to read people. Really wish I wasn't as good as I am, because it makes my anxiety worse.

Well, that's it for now, hope I've added something useful.
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Re: ADD-I traits, a community effort!

I am really glad that you liked the idea sarek, also thank you for making this a sticky. There is any way to make a poll, after we collect everyone's ideas?

Thank you for all the contributions so far, I am countinuously surprised how many things we seem to have in common, even in small details some times.

I started this, thinking that we might put a poll together. In case this is possible I would take every idea from this thread, brake it down to a single, (yes or no) simple statement, so we can see what is really common with ADD - innatentive, folks.
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I don't have time (or patience) to write a full list right now; but i did want to comment on the over-thinking and excessive speaking aspect. I'm putting this into a lot of detail (that may just be my personal traits) and trying to relate one trait to another; so please let me know what you think.

1.) Perfection - I personally have to do everything perfectly or else its not worth finishing. I also won't start a project unless i know i have time to finish it. This may contribute to our impulsiveness and procrastination.

2.) Over-Thinking - I'll run through scenarios in my head before I attempt something until I either exhaust all the possibilities or get them perfect. This includes projects, activities, conversations, etc. I'll also run over events in my head after they happen; sometimes to figure out if I took the right course of action, but usually for no reason at all.

3.) Speaking/Flexibility - Conversations are organic and change. Because I tend to plan out an entire conversation in my head before hand, I have trouble adapting to them when they take a different route (depending on the circumstance.)

4.) Speaking/Excessiveness - I alllllllways have something to say and constantly feel the need to hold myself back. I'm pretty sure I would have no friends if I talked every time a thought popped into my head. That being said, one on one is fine, but in groups or places with lots of activity I clam up and not a single thought flows through my head. I feel like i can only have so much input-output going on at once.

5.) Speaking/Expression - I am highly intelligent and spend most of my time thinking up new ideas, businesses, plans, etc. I can in no way express my opinions (or ideas) without sounding like I know nothing, because my mind goes blank when I try to recall even the things that I'm most passionate about. I think that this is why most of us feel more comfortable typing up our thoughts. I'm pretty sure most people who meet me think I'm either dim or dull (if i chose not to make a fool of myself and keep quiet) because I can't formulate my ideas/opinions in a clear and concise manner.

5.) Speaking/Vocab - I feel like my brain works faster than my mouth. Even though I think things out before hand, I tend to stutter a lot (not really a problem, but it does happen.) Sometimes I'll get to a word that I know I want to use and I'll switch it out with a completely different one (most likely something more vulgar, less intelligent, or just completely random) for no reason. This happens with entire sentences too.

6.) Memory/Speaking - I personally don't feel like I have any issues with general memory (short or long term, although it seems that I am alone with this.) My problem is that I remember general concepts (and real life events, etc.); but the long term details always escape me. I consider myself a black hole for information(hyperfocus.) I'll learn everything I can about my (flavor of the week)passion, and then forget all the important details that would normally help define a person as an expert. When speaking, I'll lose track of where I was going with a thought. I frequently finish a thought with "I don't know" because I can't remember the information I need to conclude my statement. I'll also go off on tangents that loosely relate and end with "what was i supposed to be talking about again?"

7.) Speaking/Memory - I don't find most jokes funny because I can't remember what they refer too; and now that I think about it, I have a hard time being funny because I don't remember the details enough to relate something I've done, seen, or experienced to the current situation.

Damn; Hyperfocus, perfection, and over-thinking are dangerous when combined. I just missed a class while writing this...

Edit: Sorry for the text wall, and the lie stating that this would be short. I guess considering the skipped class, I did have time! :P

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Re: ADD-I traits, a community effort!

I can add this...

I have a huge desire to be perfect in all that I do
I have so many creative interests..but never get to them
I feel like I should have the phone 'extracted' from my ear most days
I want to control everything, maybe because I can not control myself
I can have hyperfocus on some things
I have a hard time staying away after 9PM
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avoidance of unpleasant work or things
Temper with ADD-I child is low.
Intelligent but don't 'use it'
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Re: ADD-I traits, a community effort!

Greetings All; This is my first post. I'm a 63-year-old, smart, single ADD woman with three professional degrees and no retirement.

For me the two interlinked traits that give rise to everything else mentioned above are:


1. Compromised executive function (prefrontal cortex does not prioritize normally for decisions which are re-routed to the pleasure center) leading to mostly doing what you're interested in at the moment. This can only be over-ridden by fear, shame, adrenaline, etc.

2. Underdeveloped working concept of TIME. In ADD brains there are two time frames: 'now' and 'not now' and 'not now' never comes. I live always and forever in the present like a young teenager.
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Re: ADD-I traits, a community effort!

OP. that pretty much covers it, but I would change number 13 to natural inclination to sour foods.... especially kosher dill pickles..... ever since I was little. Never that into chocolates and such. The rest are spot on. Each one.

Also as others have noted:
* Lack of control regarding money
* OCD Perfectionism at times - worsens lack of project completion
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I don't have time (or patience) to write a full list right now; but i did want to comment on the over-thinking and excessive speaking aspect. I'm putting this into a lot of detail (that may just be my personal traits) and trying to relate one trait to another; so please let me know what you think.

1.) Perfection - I personally have to do everything perfectly or else its not worth finishing. I also won't start a project unless i know i have time to finish it. This may contribute to our impulsiveness and procrastination.

2.) Over-Thinking - I'll run through scenarios in my head before I attempt something until I either exhaust all the possibilities or get them perfect. This includes projects, activities, conversations, etc. I'll also run over events in my head after they happen; sometimes to figure out if I took the right course of action, but usually for no reason at all.

3.) Speaking/Flexibility - Conversations are organic and change. Because I tend to plan out an entire conversation in my head before hand, I have trouble adapting to them when they take a different route (depending on the circumstance.)

4.) Speaking/Excessiveness - I alllllllways have something to say and constantly feel the need to hold myself back. I'm pretty sure I would have no friends if I talked every time a thought popped into my head. That being said, one on one is fine, but in groups or places with lots of activity I clam up and not a single thought flows through my head. I feel like i can only have so much input-output going on at once.

5.) Speaking/Expression - I am highly intelligent and spend most of my time thinking up new ideas, businesses, plans, etc. I can in no way express my opinions (or ideas) without sounding like I know nothing, because my mind goes blank when I try to recall even the things that I'm most passionate about. I think that this is why most of us feel more comfortable typing up our thoughts. I'm pretty sure most people who meet me think I'm either dim or dull (if i chose not to make a fool of myself and keep quiet) because I can't formulate my ideas/opinions in a clear and concise manner.

5.) Speaking/Vocab - I feel like my brain works faster than my mouth. Even though I think things out before hand, I tend to stutter a lot (not really a problem, but it does happen.) Sometimes I'll get to a word that I know I want to use and I'll switch it out with a completely different one (most likely something more vulgar, less intelligent, or just completely random) for no reason. This happens with entire sentences too.

6.) Memory/Speaking - I personally don't feel like I have any issues with general memory (short or long term, although it seems that I am alone with this.) My problem is that I remember general concepts (and real life events, etc.); but the long term details always escape me. I consider myself a black hole for information(hyperfocus.) I'll learn everything I can about my (flavor of the week)passion, and then forget all the important details that would normally help define a person as an expert. When speaking, I'll lose track of where I was going with a thought. I frequently finish a thought with "I don't know" because I can't remember the information I need to conclude my statement. I'll also go off on tangents that loosely relate and end with "what was i supposed to be talking about again?"

7.) Speaking/Memory - I don't find most jokes funny because I can't remember what they refer too; and now that I think about it, I have a hard time being funny because I don't remember the details enough to relate something I've done, seen, or experienced to the current situation.

Damn; Hyperfocus, perfection, and over-thinking are dangerous when combined. I just missed a class while writing this...

Edit: Sorry for the text wall, and the lie stating that this would be short. I guess considering the skipped class, I did have time! :P
Well said! 95% me, have you checked your Myer-Briggs type? Are you INTP or something close?
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Greetings All; This is my first post. I'm a 63-year-old, smart, single ADD woman with three professional degrees and no retirement.

For me the two interlinked traits that give rise to everything else mentioned above are:


1. Compromised executive function (prefrontal cortex does not prioritize normally for decisions which are re-routed to the pleasure center) leading to mostly doing what you're interested in at the moment. This can only be over-ridden by fear, shame, adrenaline, etc.

2. Underdeveloped working concept of TIME. In ADD brains there are two time frames: 'now' and 'not now' and 'not now' never comes. I live always and forever in the present like a young teenager.
Hi babu,

I can relate to the first one, but could you elaborate on the underdeveloped working concept of time? If I get this right, it sounds the exact opposite from my experience. I am always focused on future projects, ideas, possibilities while in a large part I am missing the present.
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Well said! 95% me, have you checked your Myer-Briggs type? Are you INTP or something close?
I'm INTP. 95% introverted Though I consider that a tad off, as even though I live like a hermit, I know deep down there's a socialite in there :P

Anyways, most of the things I would have said have been covered here, but here's a few of mine I'd like to add.

1) More clear headed, focused and motivated in the late afternoon/evenings. Often times I will be full of great ideas for new projects in the evenings, then, the next morning, the fuel tank is empty and I'm left wondering how the hell I was so pumped up about it the night before.

2) Memory. Horrendous working memory and difficulty commiting things to my short term. At 28 I still count on my hands, and when I have to relay information (say, transferring something I've read or heard into something I'm doing/saying/writing.) I often have to check it several times because by the time I've come to write/say/do it, it's gone again!!

3) Speech. I tend to mumble a lot! I think this is due to a combination of things. Firstly, I find expressing my thoughts tiring, especially when it's about something I'm not stimulated by. Secondly, self confidence, in social situations I don't believe my opinion holds much value so I'm more likely to utter things under my breath, and allow others to interrupt, than be very vocal. And finally, the whole "brain going faster than the mouth" thing. My mind is often onto the next thing before my mouth has finished speaking and syllabes may be skipped and words melded together to compensate. I think the closest thing one can relate this to is "Cluttering".
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Yea, I just took a test (and even though its incredibly biased) INTP is right on. This feels like the overall impression that other ADHD-Iers give off as well. Whats the verdict? Is an INTP personality trait an ADHD-I Trait as well?

INTP (Introverted, Intuitive, Thinking, Perceiving)
Seek to develop logical explanations for everything that interests them. Theoretical and abstract, interested more in ideas than in social interaction. Quiet, contained, flexible, and adaptable. Have unusual ability to focus in depth to solve problems in their area of interest. Skeptical, sometimes critical, always analytical.


BTW, introverted is such a harsh word... I like social interaction (and go out frequently), I'm just not very good at it.

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