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I don't think there's anything wrong with what you do for yourself. However, I do care about the influence of ideas on others. When an idea props up that can hurt people, I cannot turn the other way and let that idea run unchallenged.
So as I wrote in my last post, THIS is not the hurtful idea. I suggested that what we're reacting to another idea that we view as related, ie. ADHD is not disability.

I have the same reaction when people say ADHD=Asset. my first reaction is a negative one. But factually speaking I know they're not related, and I can hate the idea that ADHD is not a disability, while still appreciating that it may be the source of some skills.
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Speculating about Stevuke79's question (not sure if I've got a good analogy, and if it is good then I'm not certain why):

If my finances are audited by the tax authorities, and some of my major debts are counted as assets, should I be pleased about that?
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I picked up one of the reasons why my tax-audit analogy may have a little bit of merit to it: I feel (and maybe a lot of us feel) that every day we are on trial for the crime of having the symptoms of ADHD.
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I picked up one of the reasons why my tax-audit analogy may have a little bit of merit to it: I feel (and maybe a lot of us feel) that every day we are on trial for the crime of having the symptoms of ADHD.
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So as I wrote in my last post, THIS is not the hurtful idea. I suggested that what we're reacting to another idea that we view as related, ie. ADHD is not disability.

I have the same reaction when people say ADHD=Asset. my first reaction is a negative one. But factually speaking I know they're not related, and I can hate the idea that ADHD is not a disability, while still appreciating that it may be the source of some skills.
I don't agree. Any skills I have are not related to my having ADHD. I would
have them even if I didn't have this disorder. If ever I see some evidence
that shows skills or talents or "gifts" are somehow tied to having a mental
health disorder, I'll reconsider.
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I think that ADHD symptoms are very often considered character flaws. And in that sense we feel on trial or audited. So your saying, if you believe it's a disability,.. Don't look more deeply for the good and the bad because some jeerk will use that to prove its not a disability.

my feeling is: that jerk isn't my concern.

Do blind people take offense when people consider whether they might have super-sharp hearing? Would they care if some fool turned around and said, "Ah ha! Told you it's not a disability! He's just too self centered to look where he's going!!!"
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I consider the fact that neurologists are unsure about this one. Whether ADHD is related to improved senses, creativity, or out of the box thinking, .. the prevailing theory is it looks like there are connections but there is nothing conclusive. And keep in mind, these scientists who say "there may be a connection", these are the same people who say unequivocally ADHD IS A BONAFIDE DISABILITY. So these folks aren't our enemies.

So I don't feel I can be sure myself.
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Speculating about Stevuke79's question (not sure if I've got a good analogy, and if it is good then I'm not certain why):

If my finances are audited by the tax authorities, and some of my major debts are counted as assets, should I be pleased about that?
What if the audit concludes that you have both debts and assets?
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I consider the fact that neurologists are unsure about this one. Whether ADHD is related to improved senses, creativity, or out of the box thinking, .. the prevailing theory is it looks like there are connections but there is nothing conclusive. And keep in mind, these scientists who say "there may be a connection", these are the same people who say unequivocally ADHD IS A BONAFIDE DISABILITY. So these folks aren't our enemies.

So I don't feel I can be sure myself.
Well *I* know for sure that my ADHD hasn't given me anything positive.

I think this is going to vary with each individual. And it isn't because some are simply not looking hard enough for the positives, there just *aren't* any positives for some....
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I think that ADHD symptoms are very often considered character flaws. And in that sense we feel on trial or audited. So your saying, if you believe it's a disability,.. Don't look more deeply for the good and the bad because some jeerk will use that to prove its not a disability.

my feeling is: that jerk isn't my concern.

Do blind people take offense when people consider whether they might have super-sharp hearing? Would they care if some fool turned around and said, "Ah ha! Told you it's not a disability! He's just too self centered to look where he's going!!!"
No, for a very good reason that isn't involved in our situation: a blind person's lack of sight is easy for anyone to understand. (Not that his life is easy to understand - but the simple fact "He can't see" is not something that will ever be commonly misunderstood.) Because I have a widely-misunderstood and widely-denied condition, I'm touchy about hearing false news about it being spread. If rumours are spread about the blind man being too self-centred to look where he's going, his response is a simple, swift, and fully-understood-by-everyone "I'm blind; I can't see."
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I'm actually not debating whether its an asset or not. I certainly don't honk it's an asset for everyone bc other things have to also fall in line for that to be.

What interests me, is that it's a valid scientifically founded suggestion that relates to what some people experience... And while we disagree on many issues around here, rarely do we attack.

(I don't feel attacked, .. That's not what sparked me.. And when I am attacked I can take it... That's not my point.. I'm not bemoaning an attack... I'm pointing out that we really react to this idea... And it seems to me like what we're actually reacting to is something else.)

This thread is a little like a zombie.,. It just wont die. It doesn't even seem to be tiring... Maybe I should be taking t-virus instead of adderall.
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No, for a very good reason that isn't involved in our situation: a blind person's lack of sight is easy for anyone to understand. (Not that his life is easy to understand - but the simple fact "He can't see" is not something that will ever be commonly misunderstood.) Because I have a widely-misunderstood and widely-denied condition, I'm touchy about hearing false news about it being spread. If rumours are spread about the blind man being too self-centred to look where he's going, his response is a simple, swift, and fully-understood-by-everyone "I'm blind; I can't see."
So it sounds like your bothered that someone will not understand ADHD is a disability.

your not actually fundamentally bothered that it might have benefits.
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So it sounds like your bothered that someone will not understand ADHD is a disability.

your not actually fundamentally bothered that it might have benefits.
In a way, it's both.

I am bothered that someone will acquire a positive belief that ADHD is mainly good (as opposed to a negative lack of understanding of ADHD).

I am also bothered that there are benefits claimed for ADHD that are not true. (for example ADHDers are intelligent or we're creative or we're this or we're that.)

OK - I've got it - what bothers me is the purposeful teaching of false "facts", (perhaps unwittingly) spreading misunderstanding and disrespect.

Perhaps the fact that I only recently found out I'm not lazy or stupid has something to do with my touchiness.
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