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I don't know how to make my husband understand. I am so tired of him tring to fix me. DAMN IT I am not broke!!!! I know I share in the blame when we fight.... but being told what I said was stupid. DAMN IT enough!!! Because I do not understand how to keep a check book does not make me stupid. And I am tring.... but anytime I screw up it is all heck breaks out at my house. I am tired of feeling like he would have been so much better off to have married anyone but me. I am tired of feeling like a failure. I am tired of sitting up nights (like now) cring while he is snoring away. I am sorry this may not be the place for this.....
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I know what you mean

I know exactly what you mean. My husband is the same way. Sometimes I do not know if it is him-or if it is me. He could just be mean and grouchy and always aggitated-or maybe I need to learn to do more. Sometimes I just wish I had a husband that was more senstive to me and would not mind taking care of things for me..
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i know this does help but ,, thats why i dont wanna get married ... for the reason you speak of, i wish i could offer you some support,,, and i cant keep a check book either thats what that feature at the atms for
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If he's using the word "stupid", honey tell him to stick it up his *****. You're not stupid. He married you, all of you, for better, worse, sickness and health. ADD is not a sickness it is a unique part of you. He can take it/you or leave it/you.

What the he!! does balancing a check book have to do with being smart or not? Nothing. We all have things we're good at or not good at. Hey, don't you have children, that you home school? Tell him to give birth and teach all the kids to read, write and DO MATH and see if he'd like the job.

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Perhaps the two of you need to sit down and divide things up a bit. You are not good at balancing the checkbook, so he can do that part, while you pay the bills and then you can sit down together to discuss the budget.

He does not deserve to sleep if you are crying. How can anyone sleep knowing they've hurt someone else's feelings? Some hate this advice, but it worked for me, don't go to bed angry. Mike and I have done it maybe twice in my memory of 11 years of marriage (I believe you've been married longer than I, so what the heck do I know). Mostly because I can't let an issue die. I need resolution or I stew on it. Even if I'm wrong I need to come to peace about it, make my apologies and be certain I'm forgiven.

You need his support, not his criticism. You need his love not verbal abuse. Calling you stupid is absolutely not OK, and "no name calling" is the rule. Keep things specific but don't get nasty. "I'm angry that we had another overdraft." "What can we do so that doesn't happen again?" In the real world people don't necessarily talk like that, but some variation of it that doesn't involve knee-jerk reactions and biting comments you'll regret later, will be fine.

When my darling hubby is in the doghouse I do try to make a mental note of the things I actually like and love about him, why I married him, why we are still together, yada yada, mushy stuff. Softens my b1tchy edge. (oops, crazy lady entered on that final sentence, please excuse my alter ego, she has a potty mouth)

big hugs Mrs. Nurse, even if all this stuff I said is garbage, I wish you well for what it's worth
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I may have a remedy for you.

If he thinks you are somewhat dumb on a few things,,,

Well act like a really dumby , one day all day. Just ask like the worse dummy he as ever seen...

Ideas, put vinegar instead of milk in is coffee...and say oh sorry honey, you know how stupid i am ( with a big smile).

Put the durty dishes in the oven, annoy the hell out of him , with real stupid stuff..

just my crazy 2 cents here.

I know that is what i would do

or kick is butt
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I don't know how to make my husband understand. I am so tired of him tring to fix me. DAMN IT I am not broke!!!! I know I share in the blame when we fight.... but being told what I said was stupid. DAMN IT enough!!! Because I do not understand how to keep a check book does not make me stupid. And I am tring.... but anytime I screw up it is all heck breaks out at my house. I am tired of feeling like he would have been so much better off to have married anyone but me. I am tired of feeling like a failure. I am tired of sitting up nights (like now) cring while he is snoring away. I am sorry this may not be the place for this.....
I know how you feel. I often feel like a failure and I'm terrible with money or keeping a checking account. So I quit doing it. I no longer have a checking account, only hubby does. Sometimes it's inconvenient but overall we're much happier this way with him being in contol of the checking account. I help, but I don't write checks. I just write when the bills are due on the calendar. So far, it's worked fairly well.

I cry at night a lot too. Last night especially. So I know all about feeling like a failure. Sometimes I feel I have no purpose or that I'm worthless, especially now that I have problems in the sexual area. I guess in a way that is a big part of who I am as far as a woman and a wife. He doesn't like my cooking, I'm terrible with housework, so what else is there? But of course I love him and hopefully I'll eventually find something I can do that makes me feel I'm worth something in his eyes lately.

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I dont have that problem with worring about a check book. I dont have a checking account since I dont work. I am on government funding and I feel immature because I am not where someone my age should be emotionally.

I am so behind in my development.

I dont know how to drive and I have this message going through my head..."What would you drive anyway? You can't afford it"

I dont work.

Am emotionally immature.

Not married

No chidren

No career.

Feeling like I have to prove myself to everyone but myself.

I like the idea that Digitl said get sarcatic and "dumb" OH hun I am so sorry, You said________________________( fill in the blank.)
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Thanks to all.... I know I am not "stupid".... at least in my head. My husband...welll we are working on it. And one way or another we will come through this.... and we will come through this with out me feeling stupid..... spent to many years feeling that way. I did find and see a really good person who works with ADD people. I think it is way past time for me to learn the skills I need to deal with the rest of the world. And auntchris ADD people grow up slow don't beat yourself up about it..... HUGS
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Quoting Dr Hallowell on " What it is like to have ADD "

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What's It Like To Have Add?





by Edward M. Hallowell, M.D.


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What is it like to have ADD? What is the feel of the syndrome? I have a short talk that I often give to groups as an introduction to the subjective experience of ADD and what it is like to live with it:

Attention Deficit Disorder. First of all I resent the term. As far as I'm concerned most people have Attention Surplus Disorder. I mean, life being what it is, who can pay attention to anything for very long? Is it really a sign of mental health to be able to balance your checkbook, sit still in your chair, and never speak out of turn? As far as I can see, many people who don't have ADD are charter members of the Congenitally Boring.

But anyway, be that as it may, there is this syndrome called ADD or ADHD, depending on what book you read. So what's it like to have ADD? Some people say the so-called syndrome doesn't even exist, but believe me, it does. Many metaphors come to mind to describe it. It's like driving in the rain with bad windshield wipers. Everything is smudged and blurred and you're speeding along, and it's reeeeally frustrating not being able to see very well. Or it's like listening to a radio station with a lot of static and you have to strain to hear what's going on. Or, it's like trying to build a house of cards in a dust storm. You have to build a structure to protect yourself from the wind before you can even start on the cards.

In other ways it's like being super-charged all the time. You get one idea and you have to act on it, and then, what do you know, but you've got another idea before you've finished up with the first one, and so you go for that one, but of course a third idea intercepts the second, and you just have to follow that one, and pretty soon people are calling you disorganized and impulsive and all sorts of impolite words that miss the point completely. Because you're trying really hard. It's just that you have all these invisible vectors pulling you this way and that which makes it really hard to stay on task.

Plus which, you're spilling over all the time. You're drumming your fingers, tapping your feet, humming a song, whistling, looking here, looking there, scratching, stretching, doodling, and people think you're not paying attention or that you're not interested, but all you're doing is spilling over so that you can pay attention. I can pay a lot better attention when I'm taking a walk or listening to music or even when I'm in a crowded, noisy room than when I'm still and surrounded by silence. God save me from the reading rooms. Have you ever been into the one in Widener Library? The only thing that saves it is that so many of the people who use it have ADD that there's a constant soothing bustle.

What is it like to have ADD? Buzzing. Being here and there and everywhere. Someone once said, "Time is the thing that keeps everything from happening all at once." Time parcels moments out into separate bits so that we can do one thing at a time. In ADD, this does not happen. In ADD, time collapses. Time becomes a black hole. To the person with ADD it feels as if everything is happening all at once. This creates a sense of inner turmoil or even panic. The individual loses perspective and the ability to prioritize. He or she is always on the go, trying to keep the world from caving in on top.

Museums. (Have you noticed how I skip around? That's part of the deal. I change channels a lot. And radio stations. Drives my wife nuts. "Can't we listen to just one song all the way through?") Anyway, museums. The way I go through a museum is the way some people go through Filene's basement. Some of this, some of that, oh, this one looks nice, but what about that rack over there? Gotta hurry, gotta run. It's not that I don't like art. I love art. But my way of loving it makes most people think I'm a real Philistine. On the other hand, sometimes I can sit and look at one painting for a long while. I'll get into the world of the painting and buzz around in there until I forget about everything else. In these moments I, like most people with ADD, can hyperfocus, which gives the lie to the notion that we can never pay attention. Sometimes we have turbocharged focusing abilities. It just depends upon the situation.



Lines. I'm almost incapable of waiting in lines. I just can't wait, you see. That's the hell of it. Impulse leads to action. I'm very short on what you might call the intermediate reflective step between impulse and action. That's why I, like so many people with ADD, lack tact. Tact is entirely dependent on the ability to consider one's words before uttering them. We ADD types don't do this so well. I remember in the fifth grade I noticed my math teacher's hair in a new style and blurted out, "Mr. Cook, is that a toupee you're wearing?" I got kicked out of class. I've since learned how to say these inappropriate things in such a way or at such a time that they can in fact be helpful. But it has taken time. That's the thing about ADD. It takes a lot of adapting to get on in life. But it certainly can be done, and be done very well.

As you might imagine, intimacy can be a problem if you've got to be constantly changing the subject, pacing, scratching and blurting out tactless remarks. My wife has learned not to take my tuning out personally, and she says that when I'm there, I'm really there. At first, when we met, she thought I was some kind of nut, as I would bolt out of restaurants at the end of meals or disappear to another planet during a conversation. Now she has grown accustomed to my sudden coming and goings.

Many of us with ADD crave high-stimulus situations. In my case, I love the racetrack. And I love the high-intensity crucible of doing psychotherapy. And I love having lots of people around. Obviously this tendency can get you into trouble, which is why ADD is high among criminals and self-destructive risk-takers. It is also high among so-called Type A personalities, as well as among manic-depressives, sociopaths and criminals, violent people, drug abusers, and alcoholics. But is is also high among creative and intuitive people in all fields, and among highly energetic, highly productive people.

Which is to say there is a positive side to all this. Usually the positive doesn't get mentioned when people speak about ADD because there is a natural tendency to focus on what goes wrong, or at least on what has to be somehow controlled. But often once the ADD has been diagnosed, and the child or the adult, with the help of teachers and parents or spouses, friends, and colleagues, has learned how to cope with it, an untapped realm of the brain swims into view. Suddenly the radio station is tuned in, the windshield is clear, the sand storm has died down. And the child or adult, who had been such a problem, such a nudge, such a general pain in the neck to himself and everybody else, that person starts doing things he'd never been able to do before. He surprises everyone around him, and he surprises himself. I use the male pronoun, but it could just as easily be she, as we are seeing more and more ADD among females as we are looking for it.

Often these people are highly imaginative and intuitive. They have a "feel" for things, a way of seeing right into the heart of matters while others have to reason their way along methodically. This is the person who can't explain how he thought of the solution, or where the idea for the story came from, or why suddenly he produced such a painting, or how he knew the short cut to the answer, but all he can say is he just knew it, he could feel it. This is the man or woman who makes million dollar deals in a catnap and pulls them off the next day. This is the child who, having been reprimanded for blurting something out, is then praised for having blurted out something brilliant. These are the people who learn and know and do and go by touch and feel.

These people can feel a lot. In places where most of us are blind, they can, if not see the light, at least feel the light, and they can produce answers apparently out of the dark. It is important for others to be sensitive to this "sixth sense" many ADD people have, and to nurture it. If the environment insists on rational, linear thinking and "good" behavior from these people all the time, then they may never develop their intuitive style to the point where they can use it profitably. It can be exasperating to listen to people talk. They can sound so vague or rambling. But if you take them seriously and grope along with them, often you will find they are on the brink of startling conclusions or surprising solutions.

What I am saying is that their cognitive style is qualitatively different from most people's, and what may seem impaired, with patience and encouragement may become gifted.

The thing to remember is that if the diagnosis can be made, then most of the bad stuff associated with ADD can be avoided or contained. The diagnosis can be liberating, particularly for people who have been stuck with labels like, "lazy", "stubborn", "willful", "disruptive", "impossible", "tyrannical", "a spaceshot", "brain damaged", "stupid", or just plain "bad". Making the diagnosis of ADD can take the case from the court of moral judgment to the clinic of neuropsychiatric treatment.

What is the treatment all about?

Anything that turns down the noise. Just making the diagnosis helps turn down the noise of guilt and self-recrimination. Building certain kinds of structure into one's life can help a lot. Working in small spurts rather than long hauls. Breaking tasks down into smaller tasks. Making lists.

Getting help where you need it, whether it's having a secretary, or an accountant, or an automatic bank teller,

or a good filing system, or a home computer, getting help where you need it. Maybe applying external limits on your impulses. Or getting enough exercise to work off some of the noise inside. Finding support. Getting someone in your corner to coach you, to keep you on track. Medication can help a great deal too, but it is far from the whole solution. The good news is that treatment can really help.

Let me leave you by telling you that we need your help and understanding. We may make mess-piles wherever we go, but with your help, those mess-piles can be turned into realms of reason and art. So, if you know someone like me who's acting up and daydreaming and forgetting this or that and just not getting with the program, consider ADD before he starts believing all the bad things people are saying about him and it's too late.

The main point of the talk is that there is a more complex subjective experience to ADD than a list of symptoms can possibly impart. ADD is a way of life, and until recently it has been hidden, even from the view of those who have it. The human experience of ADD is more than just a collection of symptoms. It is a way of living. Before the syndrome is diagnosed that way of living may be filled with pain and misunderstanding. After the diagnosis is made, one often finds new possibilities and the chance for real change.

The adult syndrome of ADD, so long unrecognized, is now at last bursting upon the scene. Thankfully, millions of adults who have had to think of themselves as defective or unable to get their acts together, will instead be able to make the most of their considerable abilities. It is a hopeful time indeed.

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Garry, what a great post...

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No man should ever call his wife stupid. Not only is it hurtful it certainly calls into doubt his taste in women.

My take on guys that roll their eyes as if to say "I could have done so much better"... is that if they could have -they would have. There's not a man in the world who would take the "second best" woman in the world if they could get the "very best". Anyone that says they would is trying to fool themselves.

Not sure why people act like that. No one makes themselves look better by diminishing their mate.


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I have to admit that I have been getting to abusive in my language with my wife.

I have ADD, and I am dealing with a work environment that can be seen as less then perfect. I have just changed my career path from CAD design/drafting to one of Construction Management. This is causing a lot of stress with me. One of the big reasons I am hanging with it is the person that hired me. He saw the potential that I have and understood that I have a tremendous set of "self defense mechanisms” that are blocking my potential greatness. He has undertaken the task of breaking these bad habits and showing me that there is more to me than an impulsive man.

This is causing stress and frustration between Lisa and I. She has been very supportive, but this has been a very difficult time for me. At times I feel as if there is nothing good that I am doing. I lose my temper and lash out, usually breaking thing around me. I have never, and will never strike my wife!! I have never thrown anything at her. If I do, I would probably end it at that moment. I would have become one of the people that I hate the most.

In these frustrated arguments, I have said that she is stupid. I think I do this because I feel like she is not understanding what I am going through. The truth is, I don’t understand what I’m putting her through. She is angry with me because I am not helping with the household chores. We both work full time, and the chores have to be divided or else there is no time free time. I have been shirking my responsibilities due to my ever increase stress level. It is a lame excuse. And just this last Friday it came to ahead.

We had a fight, a short one. It ended with a broken dinner plate, a broken stack of CD’s (mine), and almost the greatest loss of all, her walking out of my life.

We have had fights before, and I think I have started to use my anger to avoid things that I don’t want to deal with, a way for me to stop her from pushing too hard. I did this as an unknowing, or a melodramatic act. I do not want to lose the best thing that has happened to me.

I have jumped around a lot here, mostly because I need to confess, but in this confession I hope that I have a different point of view. He called you stupid, proving his own stupidity and frustration. I did the same when said that to my wife. I use to handle the money in this house, but she does it now. We have not had a missed payment since. My mistake is not to follow-up with the other chores.

The only way to solve a problem is to face it from as many sides as possible. Understanding his side dose in no way shape or form excuses him from his abusive tact, but it gives you a way of proving how wrong he was.

I hope this helps.
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