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Taking the first steps for my first career change...

I have been working in IT for the past 2.5 years. This was never my plan, it just happened. In the end of my studies I got enthusiastic about learning programming, but I always saw it as a skill that was useful to know to support what I was doing.

Getting this job was great, and I have learnt a lot. I can make websites and apps now, which is very useful and interesting. However, I am working in another city (so I have to sleep there for 4 nights per week) and I am working at a semi-governmental agency, an innovative one (which is nice) but still, it's a world that I find pretty uninspiring. Everything seems very abstract and indirect to me. I like the techniques that we use, but I don't see myself as a hardcore IT specialist. I like to solve actual problems, close to the end user, and to be where the action is. And I would like to improve things in a sector that I am passionate about.

In my entire life, I have always been very enthusiastic about sports (with some years of little sports - during which things were not going well - and exercising again has always helped me get out of those periods), and getting active in general, and I have found an organization in my city that has the mission to get the whole world moving! I have decided to apply for a job there, even though I have a great employer, a nice car and a good salary, I think my life is to short to waste it playing safe.

I have a rare skillset, (I think) personality (oooh special snowflake :P), interest (sports has saved my life several times in the course of my life, almost literally, or perhaps actually literally) and lots of new ideas, so I think I could add a lot of value there. And most importantly to me, I can go to work every day and work on things that actually matter to me.

That is my dream. I have just started writing my letter and I will work on it every day from now on. I hope to send it this weekend, and meet them somewhere in the next weeks to see if there is a match or not. It's nice to do this from a strong basis, if it doesn't work out then I can always stay where I am and see if I can pursue my dream in another way, or explore another one.

I feel very good doing this. I have talked a lot about gratefulness lately, and I also want to talk about it now - I feel so thankful that I have the freedom to follow my heart, that I can let go of obeying my employer (even though he is a great one) and that I am not stuck where I am, but that I can actually pursue doing what I like most. I realize how rare that is, especially considering that I have ADD and that has been mostly bad during the course of life, I have always found it hard to believe that I could actually get my **** together and follow my dreams, even though I have made lots of choices stubbornly believing that I could.

Perhaps this is a terrible choice that I am making. Perhaps I am leaving the only employer that is patient enough with me (and to give me frequent big raises). But perhaps I am actually a capable person despite my flaws, and perhaps I can keep on growing. I am trusting the latter is the case.

I have wasted enough of my life feeling miserable. I now want to do what I like, no matter the consequences.
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Thanks stef!

Update: I just sent an email to a the coordinator of a Master's program (in a field related to psychology, which I'd like to combine with my interest in sports and my current background) in my city as well. I'd like to combine working at this new place with doing an MSc. Probably not starting them at the same time.

Don't worry, I will not rush any decisions, and it's fine if it takes a few years to end up where I want to be - life is a journey anyways, it's nice to always have something on the horizon that you want to chase. It feels good to explore other options of where I can take my life.

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Re: Taking the first steps for my first career change...

My cousin who I swear has adhd even though hes not diagnosed is the kind of person that always seeks a new challenge and quickly grows tired with the old. Because of that, no matter how much he loves a job in the beginning, he has always ended up wanting to switch to something else sooner or later (usually sooner). . I think he's switched careers 5 times now and he is just a millennial like you. Fortunately for him, he's been happy enough switching between somewhat similar fields (i.e. went from hardware engineering to programming within the same large company). So he didn't rack up a lot of education debt and his salary only grew.

Don't answer if you don't want to Jacksper. I was just wondering, if you've already paid off all your old college debt yet and would a masters program add a lot more debt. If so, could you pay off all your old debt by working say just one more year in your current field?

I know my cousin could never be happy staying in a single job once he gets bored so I believe he does the right thing by switching careers. But I also wonder if people like us burn bright in the beginning but have the potential to burn out faster than most. If we develop a ton of debt, I get worried cause I see a future where we can never climb out of the money pit we dug or if we do, by the time we just came out, we have burned out and need to early retire but have nothing saved.

Anyway, these are just thoughts. Thoughts that can contain bad ideas and be wrong.
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Tuition in Europe can be much lower than in the states.
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Re: Taking the first steps for my first career change...

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Thanks stef!

Update: I just sent an email to a the coordinator of a Master's program (in a field related to psychology, which I'd like to combine with my interest in sports and my current background) in my city as well. I'd like to combine working at this new place with doing an MSc. Probably not starting them at the same time.

I am done feeling sorry for myself, I decide my own fate!

This seems like the best you can do. Once all the forms are filled out and theres no way back no one, execpt you yourself, can stop you of becoming happy for the future. Im really happy for you that you did this step and I wish you all the best for your further career (and of course your further future in general :-) )
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My cousin who I swear has adhd even though hes not diagnosed is the kind of person that always seeks a new challenge and quickly grows tired with the old. Because of that, no matter how much he loves a job in the beginning, he has always ended up wanting to switch to something else sooner or later (usually sooner). . I think he's switched careers 5 times now and he is just a millennial like you. Fortunately for him, he's been happy enough switching between somewhat similar fields (i.e. went from hardware engineering to programming within the same large company). So he didn't rack up a lot of education debt and his salary only grew.

Don't answer if you don't want to Jacksper. I was just wondering, if you've already paid off all your old college debt yet and would a masters program add a lot more debt. If so, could you pay off all your old debt by working say just one more year in your current field?

I know my cousin could never be happy staying in a single job once he gets bored so I believe he does the right thing by switching careers. But I also wonder if people like us burn bright in the beginning but have the potential to burn out faster than most. If we develop a ton of debt, I get worried cause I see a future where we can never climb out of the money pit we dug or if we do, by the time we just came out, we have burned out and need to early retire but have nothing saved.

Anyway, these are just thoughts. Thoughts that can contain bad ideas and be wrong.
I really appreciate your replies everyone, also your more critical ones, you have excellent points. I am like your cousin for sure!

My plan already changed a bit.

I will stay with my employer for 8-10 more months. During these months, I hope to save maximally, I can save up to 25000 euro's if I do my best.

That gives me the power to invest in myself and my future.

Additionally, I will start my own company as soon as possible. I can program, so while it's not allowed to compete with my employer (so I can't do jobs in the same niche), I can do general programming. Now that I have Wednesdays off, and that I spend 4 evenings in hostels, I have some time on my hands to start building something for myself. I plan to create a second revenue stream, which can become my primary stream once I am studying. I hope to make the company where I wanted to work a customer, not an employer - so I still plan to do what I did in my OP, but I will use another strategy and take a little more time.

I may start studying in September. It will take me about a year to finish the premaster, and then another year for the master. During the premaster I expect to have some gaps in my schedule (I don't think I have to do an entire year's worth of courses), so that time can be spent working.

When I am studying and no longer working for my employer, I can compete with him and use the skills in my niche of IT, which will be great. I already have some potential customers and partners now, and I plan to keep the contacts warm before that time comes.

The buffer will ensure that I don't have to rely on my business completely for my income. If necessary, I am open to burning it all.

About study costs: the tuition fee is about 2000 euros per year, so that is very doable. Living expenses are also pretty cheap, I can live from about 800-1000 euros per month.

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This seems like the best you can do. Once all the forms are filled out and theres no way back no one, execpt you yourself, can stop you of becoming happy for the future. Im really happy for you that you did this step and I wish you all the best for your further career (and of course your further future in general :-) )
Thanks! I got an email back from the university and they suggested that I go to the admissions office and talk to a study advisor. So, those are the next steps that I will take!

I have not decided anything yet, but it feels very good to actively explore all the options.

Who knows, perhaps I will read this post back in a few years and see that I actually did it!
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I have been working in IT for the past 2.5 years. This was never my plan, it just happened. In the end of my studies I got enthusiastic about learning programming, but I always saw it as a skill that was useful to know to support what I was doing.

Getting this job was great, and I have learnt a lot. I can make websites and apps now, which is very useful and interesting. However, I am working in another city (so I have to sleep there for 4 nights per week) and I am working at a semi-governmental agency, an innovative one (which is nice) but still, it's a world that I find pretty uninspiring. Everything seems very abstract and indirect to me. I like the techniques that we use, but I don't see myself as a hardcore IT specialist. I like to solve actual problems, close to the end user, and to be where the action is. And I would like to improve things in a sector that I am passionate about.

In my entire life, I have always been very enthusiastic about sports (with some years of little sports - during which things were not going well - and exercising again has always helped me get out of those periods), and getting active in general, and I have found an organization in my city that has the mission to get the whole world moving! I have decided to apply for a job there, even though I have a great employer, a nice car and a good salary, I think my life is to short to waste it playing safe.

I have a rare skillset, (I think) personality (oooh special snowflake :P), interest (sports has saved my life several times in the course of my life, almost literally, or perhaps actually literally) and lots of new ideas, so I think I could add a lot of value there. And most importantly to me, I can go to work every day and work on things that actually matter to me.

That is my dream. I have just started writing my letter and I will work on it every day from now on. I hope to send it this weekend, and meet them somewhere in the next weeks to see if there is a match or not. It's nice to do this from a strong basis, if it doesn't work out then I can always stay where I am and see if I can pursue my dream in another way, or explore another one.

I feel very good doing this. I have talked a lot about gratefulness lately, and I also want to talk about it now - I feel so thankful that I have the freedom to follow my heart, that I can let go of obeying my employer (even though he is a great one) and that I am not stuck where I am, but that I can actually pursue doing what I like most. I realize how rare that is, especially considering that I have ADD and that has been mostly bad during the course of life, I have always found it hard to believe that I could actually get my **** together and follow my dreams, even though I have made lots of choices stubbornly believing that I could.

Perhaps this is a terrible choice that I am making. Perhaps I am leaving the only employer that is patient enough with me (and to give me frequent big raises). But perhaps I am actually a capable person despite my flaws, and perhaps I can keep on growing. I am trusting the latter is the case.

I have wasted enough of my life feeling miserable. I now want to do what I like, no matter the consequences.
Good luck man, you can do it!!!!

And remember, if you fall down or stop pushing, that's NOT a loss! Part of the lifecycle of every habit change is falling off and failing. You just have to get back up without castigating yourself and push onwards. The big mistake people make (I've done this so many times) is you fall off, you stop going to the gym, whatever, and then you feel you've failed and you give up. NO, that's PART OF THE PROCESS!!!! Just begin again.

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About study costs: the tuition fee is about 2000 euros per year, so that is very doable.
Wow, I can't believe how cheap schooling is there. I looked up the cost of a masters degree in the US and it averages from $30K to $100K. That plus your years in undergrad, and I didn't paint a pretty picture in my head (though I did expect Europe to be cheaper, didn't think it was THAT much cheaper).


Nevermind what I said. You're living in a different world. One where you can afford to follow your heart.
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Nevermind what I said. You're living in a different world. One where you can afford to follow your heart.
If I remember correctly, basic public college tuition here was 600 a few years ago.
unemployment is high though, it's hard to change jobs or get started;
people tend to stay trapped in jobs where they are miserable. if you have a project to do something different you can reach a signed " end of longterm contract" agreement with your employer and receive unemployment benefits. ( if you just resign, you get nothing...)
if you get fired you get unemployment but that costs the employer, also and then they have to justify it.

anyway for a year i will receive unemployment each month and the government will take out whatever " salary" i make from my freelance work so i have a safety net. so yes, it's quite complicated, but also possible here.
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@stef - are you changing careers right now?

anyways, it's quite similar here. If I quit my job, I don't get any unemployment benefits. So, I choose to stay in my field/job (which isn't too bad) until I can make the jump. my safety net is that I am working in a field where there is a lot of demand, so it's always possible to land another job.

it's also useful that I do data science and programming in my job, those skills are also useful in the field that I have in mind.

Today I learned that there is a highly reputable dutch online university where I can do courses in my field of choice (or many other ones for that matter) and earn study credits, priced at 107 euros per credit. So, that's really good. Means that I can just stay in my job and use the evenings to study. I stay at ho(s)tels for 4 nights per week, so it's nice to have something meaningful to spend my time on.

If I do this, I don't have to do a pre-master, which would require me to do full-time courses, and which subsequently would require me to quit my job, possibly for an extra year (the master itself takes another year). I can start at the university in February, I will do some soul searching, hard thinking, and I will talk to some people who can advice me, to see if this is really a good plan, but if I still believe it is, I will start in February.

Additionally, I will start my own company early Januari. I plan to do little job here and there and earn a few hundred euros per months, which I will save. I don't work on Wednesday, but I am prepared to do so if I can pick my own assignments and do things that I like and am good at. As a bonus, I learn enterpreneurial skills which never hurts.

So, I will be busy, but I will make sure that I won't take on more than I can chew.

I feel very fortunate for being able to make take on this challenge and I look forward to see where it will lead!
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@stef - are you changing careers right now?

anyways, it's quite similar here. If I quit my job, I don't get any unemployment benefits. So, I choose to stay in my field/job (which isn't too bad) until I can make the jump. my safety net is that I am working in a field where there is a lot of demand, so it's always possible to land another job.

it's also useful that I do data science and programming in my job, those skills are also useful in the field that I have in mind.

Today I learned that there is a highly reputable dutch online university where I can do courses in my field of choice (or many other ones for that matter) and earn study credits, priced at 107 euros per credit. So, that's really good. Means that I can just stay in my job and use the evenings to study. I stay at ho(s)tels for 4 nights per week, so it's nice to have something meaningful to spend my time on.

If I do this, I don't have to do a pre-master, which would require me to do full-time courses, and which subsequently would require me to quit my job, possibly for an extra year (the master itself takes another year). I can start at the university in February, I will do some soul searching, hard thinking, and I will talk to some people who can advice me, to see if this is really a good plan, but if I still believe it is, I will start in February.

Additionally, I will start my own company early Januari. I plan to do little job here and there and earn a few hundred euros per months, which I will save. I don't work on Wednesday, but I am prepared to do so if I can pick my own assignments and do things that I like and am good at. As a bonus, I learn enterpreneurial skills which never hurts.

So, I will be busy, but I will make sure that I won't take on more than I can chew.

I feel very fortunate for being able to make take on this challenge and I look forward to see where it will lead!
Inspirational to read your posts. Sounds like you are on a good path!

Just a question regarding programming jobs. I started up a company with the intent to take on shorter assignments (as I get bored quickly, maybe I'm not alone here...;-)). I find that most companies, at least where I'm at, don't want to hire contractors for less than 6 months.

Perhaps understandable, because they need to allocate resources to get the hire up to speed etc.

Maybe it's different if the work is more of the website (like Wordpress) kind.

You may also have better connections than me, I'm pretty worthless when it comes to selling myself to new companies.

Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this one.
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