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Re: Were you oversensitive as child ?

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I do not understand how the awareness/education of more sensitive temperament could be a bad thing?

When a caregiver is punishing a child for having inherited hypersensitive/hyperreactive temperament, part of the problem is obviously a lack of awareness/education on the caregiver's part.


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If a caregiver is punishing a child for their reactions to things...they shouldn't be doing what they're doing. They're in the wrong profession or are likely poor parents to the child.

We don't punish. We don't want them to think they're bad or wrong for being what I personally...(for right or for wrong)...consider being "oversensitive" to certain things. That'd be like telling my mom that her fear of spiders were ridiculous, or that I'm bad for being scared of heights.
We just don't want them to hurt themselves!
So we do a lot of soothing, and praising and what I like to do (in the case of wind) is become like a solid rock for them. A big fat giant rock lol. I remain completely calm and act as if for me personally the wind doesn't bother me and I just see myself as toughing up. Standing a bit taller. Being a bit more sturdy. I do this so they can latch onto me (not physically...I'm talking like a slight breeze here)...to be a constant, unchanging, unflinching person they can lean on through their fears...like I'm a light house or something.

Punishing them for their oversensitivities is something I can't even begin to imagine doing. These kids are awesome and have it hard enough...anyone who punishes or teases them for their fears are a bunch of a-holes who don't deserve to have such great kids in their lives.

Luckily we live in a small town with a lot of professionals and programs set in place for people of all sorts of needs (from mental, to developmental, to the elderly...and even for trauma victims). I like to think these 2 boys are pretty well taken care of and loved .

I don't like the word invalidated...lol. It trips me up
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while its shown adhd babys have an irritable temperament , only 50% of irritable/sensitive babies go onto ADHD
You say that "adhd babys have an irritable temperament," but is this true of all ADHD babies? Does it vary by whether they grow up to have more hyperactive/impulsive symptoms or grow up to have mostly inattentive symptoms? My mother has told me that I was always a really good baby, unlike some of my cousins who, as far as I know, did not even grow up to have ADHD.
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Re: Were you oversensitive as child ?

No baby has AD(H)D.

There is no such thing as "AD(H)D babies" from a developmental perspective.

There are babies that are born with hypersensitive temperaments.

Development of neocortical self-regulation (or lack of) occurs during the first few years of life.

Being born with a more sensitive temperament may make delay in development more likely, depending on the individual temperament and circumstances.




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You say that "adhd babys have an irritable temperament," but is this true of all ADHD babies? Does it vary by whether they grow up to have more hyperactive/impulsive symptoms or grow up to have mostly inattentive symptoms? My mother has told me that I was always a really good baby, unlike some of my cousins who, as far as I know, did not even grow up to have ADHD.
i dont say it, russell barkley did

when he talks about ADHD, its usually combined
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while its shown adhd babys have an irritable temperament , only 50% of irritable/sensitive babies go onto ADHD
If 50% of babies with irritable temperaments go on to be diagnosed with ADHD a few years later, why is Dr Barkley calling all the babies with irritable temperament "ADHD babies".

Irritable temperament does not mean the babies have ADHD, but a more sensitive temperament can make interference in early development and later being diagnosed with ADHD more likely.




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Re: Were you oversensitive as child ?

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If a caregiver is punishing a child for their reactions to things...they shouldn't be doing what they're doing. They're in the wrong profession or are likely poor parents to the child.

We don't punish. We don't want them to think they're bad or wrong for being what I personally...(for right or for wrong)...consider being "oversensitive" to certain things. That'd be like telling my mom that her fear of spiders were ridiculous, or that I'm bad for being scared of heights.
We just don't want them to hurt themselves!
So we do a lot of soothing, and praising and what I like to do (in the case of wind) is become like a solid rock for them. A big fat giant rock lol. I remain completely calm and act as if for me personally the wind doesn't bother me and I just see myself as toughing up. Standing a bit taller. Being a bit more sturdy. I do this so they can latch onto me (not physically...I'm talking like a slight breeze here)...to be a constant, unchanging, unflinching person they can lean on through their fears...like I'm a light house or something.

Punishing them for their oversensitivities is something I can't even begin to imagine doing. These kids are awesome and have it hard enough...anyone who punishes or teases them for their fears are a bunch of a-holes who don't deserve to have such great kids in their lives.

Luckily we live in a small town with a lot of professionals and programs set in place for people of all sorts of needs (from mental, to developmental, to the elderly...and even for trauma victims). I like to think these 2 boys are pretty well taken care of and loved .

I don't like the word invalidated...lol. It trips me up

I wonder if the same people that feel "invalidated", by the terms "oversensitive temperaments" also feel "invalidated" when Dr. Barkley says people with ADHD have "irritable temperaments"?

In general, saying a baby is born with a "irritable temperament", is the same thing as saying a baby is born with a "hypersensitive temperament".





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If 50% of babies with irritable temperaments go on to be diagnosed with ADHD a few years later, why is Dr Barkley calling all the babies with irritable temperament "ADHD babies".
Is he actually saying that, or is he only referring to those who go on to be diagnosed with ADHD?




OP: For general purposes of this discussion, I don't think it's a "stupid question". I do think that "oversensitive" is a poorly-defined term that might mean different things to different people. What do you mean when you say "oversensitive"?

I think members are referring to a wide range of things as "oversensitive" because we don't share a standard idea of what that term means.

For what it's worth, I'm not convinced that everyone with ADHD is/was necessarily more "sensitive" than others -- emotionally, physically, or in other ways.
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For what it's worth, I'm not convinced that everyone with ADHD is/was necessarily more "sensitive" than others -- emotionally, physically, or in other ways.
I agree> To me it seems to be more of an emotional regulation issue that goes across the board with all the emotions someone with adhd may have.
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Is he actually saying that, or is he only referring to those who go on to be diagnosed with ADHD?




OP: For general purposes of this discussion, I don't think it's a "stupid question". I do think that "oversensitive" is a poorly-defined term that might mean different things to different people. What do you mean when you say "oversensitive"?

I think members are referring to a wide range of things as "oversensitive" because we don't share a standard idea of what that term means.

For what it's worth, I'm not convinced that everyone with ADHD is/was necessarily more "sensitive" than others -- emotionally, physically, or in other ways.
yes, my wording was bad, as always

it was people with ADHD, and how they were as babies

"For what it's worth, I'm not convinced that everyone with ADHD is/was necessarily more "sensitive" than others -- emotionally, physically, or in other ways.[/quote]''''''

agreed, everyone with ADHD isn't anything, we know it's a heterogenous disorder with many causes

though some absolutely are

especially the phenotypes with a proven genetic diathesis (fragile x is the only name that i can remember, but there is a few more and it's probably only equals a quarter of ADHD people tops)

i try not to, but at times i may generalize, when it's a fact that ADHD is made up of people with several different pathways to the symptoms
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Re: Were you oversensitive as child ?

i think

emotional sensitivity -more prone to at least some emotions (mainly anger and fear) science shows this is true in at least some cases of ADHD

physical oversenstive-cloth tags , lights, sound etc- definitely the case for some, even alexander crichton mentioned it in the 1790s

interpersonal sensitivity - sensitive to criticism , possibly when it isnt even there 'thin skin'

again true for a large amount of ADHD, in my experience thomas brown is the best source for this
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with the emotional sensitivity the way I've interpreted the research is that the visceral part of the emotion is the stronger than average part, the strictly nervous system, heart primitive response

not the cognitive portion that would turn us into some super empathetic caring heroes
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again true for a large amount of ADHD, in my experience thomas brown is the best source for this
I've got quite a few books about ADHD but haven't read anything by Thomas Brown yet. But his books look interesting. I'll have to get some of them. Which ones are the best?
  • Attention Deficit Disorder: The Unfocused Mind in Children and Adults (2006)
  • A New Understanding of ADHD in Children and Adults: Executive Function Impairments (2013)
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  • Outside the Box: Rethinking Add/Adhd in Children and Adults - a Practical Guide (2017)
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I've got quite a few books about ADHD but haven't read anything by Thomas Brown yet. But his books look interesting. I'll have to get some of them. Which ones are the best?
  • Attention Deficit Disorder: The Unfocused Mind in Children and Adults (2006)
  • A New Understanding of ADHD in Children and Adults: Executive Function Impairments (2013)
  • Smart But Stuck: Emotions in Teens and Adults with ADHD (2014)
  • Outside the Box: Rethinking Add/Adhd in Children and Adults - a Practical Guide (2017)
smart but stuck, the other read more like a barkley book(just mean it's just pretty much the same info listed the same way a bunch of times)

just bought outside the box yesterday, I'll let you know if it has anything new in a few days when i read it
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here is the full E version of smart but stuck if you'd like it poppn

https://play.google.com/books/reader...ver&pg=GBS.PP1
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smart but stuck, the other read more like a barkley book(just mean it's just pretty much the same info listed the same way a bunch of times)

just bought outside the box yesterday, I'll let you know if it has anything new in a few days when i read it
Thanks for the recommendations and I look forward to hearing what you think of Outside the Box.
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