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Old 03-20-16, 02:25 PM
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Hi, I just joined the forums so I could ask this specific question: do I have ADHD/ADD? I'm currently a teenager (15 years old) and I have tried to diagnose for ADHD once.

About 1 month ago I went to my doctors and told them my symptoms and wondered if I have ADHD; however, my mom kept trying to convince the doctor that I do not have ADHD. My doctor listened more to my mother, and so he believed I didn't have ADHD. However, he did give me a certain ADHD medication named "Vayarin" which was a Omega 3 non-stimulant something pill that helped with ADHD symptoms. He still gave me the pills even though I WAS NOT truly diagnosed with ADHD, and my doctor still believes that I do not have ADHD because of my mother but he still gave me Vayarin to test.

About a month later, after using all of my Vayarin pills, I did not feel any difference in my performance or social life. I looked online to hear out other people's stories on using these medical supplements and many of them stated that it takes around 3 or so months for the drug to work. I only used it for a month. A website also stated that only 40% of ADHD children who utilized Vayarin for 3 months worked for them

I don't think the doctor knows too much about ADHD medications considering that he only let me use Vayarin for such a short amount of time. So I'm thinking of asking my doctor for stimulant drugs, but my doctor doesn't believe that I have ADHD and he especially won't believe it if the Vayarin didn't work for the month I had it...

My symptoms and problems:
- After I read a paragraph, I always forget what I read
- Ever since I was 2 years old I've been rocking back and forth in chairs no matter how comfortable or uncomfortable it was
- Since pre-school my teacher's have been questioning my fidgety movement on chairs
- I'm really hyper during school and after school and I usually blurt random offensive things out in the worst situations
- I tend to get frustrated really quickly
- I quickly lose focus whenever I'm doing like a project or essay by doing something I would like to do (Most of my friends take only an hour for a specific essay, yet I take around 4 or so hours to finish)
- I tend to crumple my papers up and when I turn it in my teachers always complain on how wrinkly it looks
- Sometimes, without me knowing, I would crumple my papers and my school friends would tease me on my inability to stay calm
- When I was in the 4th grade teacher's told me to stop playing with my hands and legs, so they told me to put my hands near my face and stand up; however, this led me to start hitting my chin with my arms because I always had the urge to move my arms or legs
- I'm terrible on learning vocabulary because I tend to forget things really quickly
- People say I have no common sense
- I repeat my self a lot
- I tend not to get to the point and say a lot of extra information

Academic and Extra-circular Life:
- My middle school grades were B's and C's, but I mentally changedin high school since I wanted people to stop thinking I was stupid and I wanted to go to a good University
- My high school grades are actually pretty good with majority of A's and 1 or 2 B's, but that's because I try EXTREMELY hard for everything I do and I take forever in doing it compared to other people
- I'm very creative, I actually program and animate Mobile Apps for the Google Play Store and I founded a mini-buisness in app development
- I joined a variety of clubs in school; ex: model un, HOSA, robotics, etc.

Sure my life is good right now, but I have to work excessively hard and I'm really unhealthy when working. I think by consuming stimulant drugs I could finish my work with good timing and be calmer. I'm not planning on selling or sharing the drug to anyone else, I just want to be seen as a normal person...

So I was wondering if you could tell me if I POSSIBLY have ADHD/ADD? If you do believe I have ADHD, could you ask me how I should approach my doctor? If not, could you please explain why?
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Old 03-20-16, 02:55 PM
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Re: Medical Supplmenet ADHD Drug Didn't Work. Do I really have ADHD?

40% is an obvious lie. It's likely your doctor will never prescribe medication as he/she is prescribing a substance that has no science based evidence behind it.

You may have to wait until you are an adult. Your life is really busy, you have a lot on your plate. It may be adhd, it might not. Unfortunately too many kids your age want adhd meds to help them manage the stress of education and the Dr's do need to be careful.

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Re: Medical Supplmenet ADHD Drug Didn't Work. Do I really have ADHD?

Vayarin is not an FDA-approved ADHD treatment in the US.

The makers of Vayarin call it a "medical food", which means it is exempt from the rules that even "dietary supplements" have to follow in terms of making claims about treating specific conditions like ADHD. Regular dietary supplements -- which may contain essentially the same ingredients! -- can't claim to treat medical conditions. There is evidence that some people with ADHD benefit from certain omega-3 fatty acids, but Vayarin has not put their product through the kind of testing expected of prescription medications that claim to treat ADHD.

In my opinion, they are using a loophole in the laws about "medical foods" to make inadequately-evaluated claims about "treating" ADHD. In fact, the pills bottles are legally not supposed to say "Rx only" on them, but they appear to (on their website). They are fairly expensive, too. I have actually contacted the FDA about Vayarin, but they were more interested to hear from people who'd actually used the product and told me to contact another department...


...In any case -- response to medication does not confirm or rule out a diagnosis of ADHD. Even with the stimulants, which are considered "first-line" treatments for ADHD, some people with ADHD don't respond well, and some people without ADHD may experience benefits.

I agree that your doctor is probably uninformed about ADHD and medical treatment if he recommended a hyped product instead of a thorough evaluation for ADHD.

I agree with Ginniebean that it is not possible for us to say whether or not you have ADHD, as there are many medical and environmental conditions that can lead to restlessness, poor focus, etc. I also agree that even if you have ADHD, medications may help a lot, but you will also need to learn strategies to help yourself, and you can't necessarily expect medication to be a silver bullet that makes your problems disappear.

Given that you are feeling stressed out by how hard you're working, I do think it might be valuable for you to see a mental health clinician. I don't know what kind of health insurance you may have, or how difficult it would be for you to see a psychologist or psychiatrist, but that may be one avenue for getting a thorough evaluation for ADHD and the conditions that can sometimes look like it or coexist with it (for example, learning disabilities, anxiety, and depression).

Another possibility, if you're in high school, would be to talk to a guidance counselor or school psychologist at your school. I wouldn't necessarily say, "I think I have ADHD and stimulants would help me," but rather, "I feel like I have to work excessively hard to keep up, and I'm really unhealthy when working -- any thoughts on how to manage my time better?" and go from there. If you will be going to college in the fall, you can check out the college's counseling center, as well.

Best wishes!
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Re: Medical Supplmenet ADHD Drug Didn't Work. Do I really have ADHD?

Perhaps confiding in and educating your mother about ADHD would help. Hopefully, you can convince her of your concerns and the reality of possibly having it.

See if she will book you an appointment with an ADHD specialist for an evaluation. Ask her nicely, to please let you discuss your concerns with the Dr. in private.

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Re: Medical Supplmenet ADHD Drug Didn't Work. Do I really have ADHD?

I would personally just go see a psychiatrist.
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Re: Medical Supplmenet ADHD Drug Didn't Work. Do I really have ADHD?

Some great responses here. Namazu, thanks for your detailed "detective" work on Vayarin, I learned a lot from your post. Vayarin comes across to me as a speculative treatment that is based on some solid evidence but it's almost as if the developers of the "medical food" stopped halfway through when they developed their formula. The formula contains phosphatidylserine (which is a natural fat-like component on the inside of cells which plays a role in maintaining an appropriate cell life cycle, wound healing and has at least somewhat of a track record of reducing stress in athletes and the elderly). Again, this is a good thing to have in adequate doses, but the jury is out as to how useful this is for ADHD.

The formula does contain a mixture of 2 of the most common omega 3's, EPA and DHA. Recent evidence suggests that EPA is the more effective of the 2 fatty acids in treating ADHD, and the formula does have a higher percentage of this EPA fatty acid.

While fatty acid supplements are some of the most studied natural treatments for ADHD (and have some of the fewest side effects), they still don't pack anywhere near the wallop of most stimulants in reducing symptoms.

One way to stack the deck in your favor if you do take these types of supplements is to take these healthy fats formulas with antioxidants such as vitamin C/vitamin E combos or even some of the fancier ones you might have heard about (such as pycnogenol/pine bark extracts). Additionally, to metabolize these omega 3 fats, it helps to have adequate intakes of magnesium and zinc combined with vitamin B6. I think that adding these to the "next generation" of this so-called "medical food" might boost its effectiveness a bit. In its current form, though, I'm not surprised by the lack of results.

Thanks for sharing your story, Shadowsych, I definitely like hearing about experiences involving real people, not just test subjects with these new developments!
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Re: Medical Supplmenet ADHD Drug Didn't Work. Do I really have ADHD?

That medicine says nothing about whether or not you have ADHD, and I've never heard of it being used. It's not a stimulant or non-stimulant medicine used for ADHD, and there's almost no clinical testing on this stuff.

Omega 3's never really helped my ADHD and same goes for fatty acids. From talking to others I'm definitely not alone in this regard. Stimulants gave me an overnight improvement, and your doctor should stick with the tried and true medicines, not who knows what especially if he didnt inform you and give you a chance with the alternatives.
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Re: Medical Supplmenet ADHD Drug Didn't Work. Do I really have ADHD?

You know, you came here which shows a lot of confidence and can-do ability. I would say and I know this is a challenge ... really get clear within yourself that you want to be evaluated for ADHD ... and then insist to your mother that you want to go to a really good psychiatrist for an evaluation. You can say you're open to whatever this person concludes ... and go for it.

Since you do well in school and probably aren't in any trouble, I think there's a good chance you have credibility with your mom ... But here's the deal ... and this is hard ... you can't go to her expecting her to switch her views. You can't go to her with the idea of shaming her or making her feel guilty. Won't work. You have to go to her with the attitude of I'm worried, I think I might have this condition. I do well in school, I work really really hard and it really feels like I work too hard and certainly I work much harder than other people to get the grades I do. I'm responsible, mom, I have good judgment. You raised me well. I'm not a drug addict. I think I deserve the respect of getting evaluated for ADHD. I feel it's only fair that I get to learn more about a feeling I have about my brain.

Keep hitting that note of "You raised me well, you've been a great mom and I have good judgment because of how you raised me."

Just an idea.

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There are a few of us here on this forum who find that Omega 3 is very helpful.

It didn't take 3 months to see a difference, and we can tell within a week of stopping that it was helping while we took it.

However, it doesn't work for everyone with ADHD. There are several different stimulant meds now because there isn't just one that works for everyone.

See someone who has the experience to diagnose you, whatever is causing your problems. A psychiatrist is a good choice because they can also prescribe meds.

Part of the exam will probably include an evaluation form to be filled in by you, by your parents, and by your teachers.
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Re: Medical Supplmenet ADHD Drug Didn't Work. Do I really have ADHD?

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There are a few of us here on this forum who find that Omega 3 is very helpful.

It didn't take 3 months to see a difference, and we can tell within a week of stopping that it was helping while we took it.

However, it doesn't work for everyone with ADHD. There are several different stimulant meds now because there isn't just one that works for everyone.

See someone who has the experience to diagnose you, whatever is causing your problems. A psychiatrist is a good choice because they can also prescribe meds.

Part of the exam will probably include an evaluation form to be filled in by you, by your parents, and by your teachers.

What sort of improvements did you notice with omega 3? I took omega 3 for like 3 years for ADHD alongside meds and noticed absolutely no difference because of the omega 3. Vyvanse helps my ADHD a ton, but when I went off omega 3 nothing changed either, so it doesn't work for me.
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What sort of improvements did you notice with omega 3? I took omega 3 for like 3 years for ADHD alongside meds and noticed absolutely no difference because of the omega 3. Vyvanse helps my ADHD a ton, but when I went off omega 3 nothing changed either, so it doesn't work for me.
I actually started taking a multi-supplement from Avon that included Omega 3 back when I had just reached menopause.

When I ran out I didn't get more because it was expensive and it wasn't helping my hot flashes.

But I noticed that while I was taking it I didn't have to stop when posting at every other sentence to think of what word I wanted to use.

I wasted so much time looking up words in the dictionary and then would lose my train of thought.

I was thinking more clearly, remembering without so much frustration.

So I went to Walmart and bought some Omega 3. Within a few days I was able to type a whole paragraph without getting stuck. Yay!

I ran out of Omega a few months later and once again I had awful brain fog. I even got lost driving in a part of town I was familiar with.

When I got to a familiar intersection, I thought about where the nearest Walmart was and bought another bottle immediately.

I haven't run out since then.
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