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Old 10-23-07, 09:30 AM
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Scary effects when trying to sleep

I experienced this last night and it's not the only time it has happened. It usually happens when I've been staying up too late but it happens at random too.

I'll usually wake up out of the blue from strange/creepy dreams after only about an hour of sleep. I find that it's usually when im just entering the REM stage of sleep.

The scary part is that the other night when this happened my brain was completely out of whack. I noticed that my audio/visual awareness was very slow and the timing was off. I'd move my head to look around the room and everything seemed like it was in slow-motion like it wasn't real. All the sounds I could here in the bedroom were delayed to what I was actually seeing. It's like I was drugged or something.

Now I have taken Adderall for years and I'm sure this had some effect but I had only taken 1 early in the day at about 2 PM and it was around 1 AM when this happened.

It seems to me that some of the chemicals in my brain are messed up when this happens. It's always a really tired state where things just don't feel right. It also creates a feeling of paranoia and anxiety too.

The solution for me was to turn on a light in the room, so I could feel safer and hopefully snap out of it. It took about 20 minutes but things slowly went back to normal. I'm always ok once I get up in the morning but it's a terrible thing to experience when it happens.

Just wondering who if any has ever experienced anything strange like this before?
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Re: Scary effects when trying to sleep

Hard to say what it is but I've experienced sleep deprivation (psychosis?) and it is pretty horrible and sounds similar. Go see your doctor and tell him what happened. Did you see or hear things that weren't actually real ?

How much sleep did you miss when these things started to happen?

What dose of Adderall are you on? Any change of dose recently or any other medications you've started taking?

Maybe it's a anxiety attack? have you ever experienced something like that in the day? I don't know if it's possible for a dream to trigger a panic attack but it seems like it would be possible.

Sorry about all the questions I'm just curious as what it might be. I'm sure some people here will have had similar experiences.
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Re: Scary effects when trying to sleep

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Hard to say what it is but I've experienced sleep deprivation (psychosis?) and it is pretty horrible and sounds similar. Go see your doctor and tell him what happened. Did you see or hear things that weren't actually real ?

How much sleep did you miss when these things started to happen?

What dose of Adderall are you on? Any change of dose recently or any other medications you've started taking?

Maybe it's a anxiety attack? have you ever experienced something like that in the day? I don't know if it's possible for a dream to trigger a panic attack but it seems like it would be possible.

Sorry about all the questions I'm just curious as what it might be. I'm sure some people here will have had similar experiences.
Well it could be some sort of mini-panic attack I suppose but anyone would feel some panic if you experienced what I did. From what I've gathered, people that have panic attacks usually have all of their senses together but just get an overwhelming feeling of fear. This was much different and only ever happens when I'm trying to sleep. Never happens in the day.

I know it's more than likely from lack of sleep. Lots of times have trouble sleeping but when I fall asleep, it's hard to get up again. I've heard people have some similar things happen because of Adderall though.

I don't have the money or insurance to see a doctor right now. It's not that serious I don't believe anyway.. I'm always fine once I take an hour to get up.

P.S. I have actually experienced a very short halucination once in my life because I only had only a few hours of sleep in 2 days. But I did not halucinate anything this time, it was just an episode where everything was moving slow and just didn't feel right.
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Re: Scary effects when trying to sleep

I would ask for a sleep medication or a low dose of either an atypical antipsychotic or a benzodiazepine or both. Seroquel and Klonipin in combination seem to be popular with the insomniacs in my area.
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Re: Scary effects when trying to sleep

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I wouldn't.

More meds may just further obscure the problem.


We'd be falling into the Polypharmacy trap. See how easy it is to solve a side effect with another pill? Scarily, it's too easy. BTDT.


I would query if the Poster is sleep deprived

Sleep doesn't just mean hours in BED, but also quality of sleep. Adderall (all stimulants) can interfere with sleep. e.g. Are you getting all your Stages of Sleep? (Only a Sleep Study can tell, really.)

ALL People who are too sleep deprived (not getting the right kinds of sleep Stages needs) will start to hallucinate. (Great form of mind-bending Torture.)

These are called Hypnagogic and Hypnopompic hallucinations. They can happen to anyone.

Dreams that seem real or are emotionally disturbing can occur when we are sleep deprived.

I have a friend who has Hypnagogic Hallucinations PLUS Sleep Paralysis (ive had that a few times w/o hallucinations; in mine i just can't move).

In his Sleep Paralysis, he said he hears 'screaming demons' and is feeling terrorized with a fear like someone near him is being killed from the screaming.

You may want to consider a drug holiday (weekends?) supervised by your Doctor.

Talk to your Doctor.

Doing a little research into sleep disorders might shed more light onto your situation than just adding a hard hitter like sleeping pills or seroquel (!).

You can Google the terms I mentioned.
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re: hallucinations

Pretty much all stimulants are psychotogenic. However, I think (a) you would have had symptoms by now (you say you've taken Adderall for years!), and (b) we don't take this stuff at the levels that most people who rather regularly become psychotic take it at. [e.g. street users are taking half a gram at once. That is 500 mg. One hundred times (100x) my regular dose. I don't know how they don't die, but, anyway.

I would BET a nickle that your issues are more Sleep Deficiency Related. Possibly you could consider a somewhat lower dose, if you think it is messing up your sleep stages too much. Or the drug holiday thing.

As I said in the previous post, TTYD. (Talk to your Doctor.)


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Re: Scary effects when trying to sleep

Thanks for the responses. Don't think I'm psychotic though lol. Figured there would be fellow ADD insomniacs that might of experienced the same things.

It's not that I can't sleep really because I can if I force myself too. Just have bad habits of staying up too way too late and surfing websites such as these. Kind of an electronics freak too, for some reason I'm drawn to them.

One thing I forgot to mention is that whenever this happens I usually dream about myself lying in bed. As if I haven't fallen asleep yet. Usually believe it's real untill something odd happens which freaks me out and I wake up for real feeling very strange. This is a cycle that keeps happening until I get up and wake myself up and snap out of it. Then I can go back to sleep without a problem. It's just a certain "Phase" that happens randomly some nights when I first go to sleep.

Again I can assure you I'm 100% normal(well ok that might be a stretch) but this is the only really strange thing that happens to me from time to time. I'll have to force myself to go to sleep more... Sigh.

Oh and I've taken Adderall for only about 4 years but these things proabably started happening around then. If this is a side effect of it, I would just deal with it as a minor annoyance as long as it's not serious. It helps in allot of others areas.
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Re: Scary effects when trying to sleep

Hi,

When you wake out of nasty dreams do you decide to wake up because the dreams too nasty?

Sometimes I do this, then I wake up and become conscious that I am in my room and sometimes conscious enough to look over at the alarm clock and what not...but it's very much like I'm still asleep...like I'm asleep and my eyes are open to the room but if I shut them to the room I go back into the same dream that I'm scared of...and sometimes this happens over and over until I decide to snap out of it which like you say often involves turning on the light for a bit.

I've had awake but dreaming states like this where I was also seeing the dream in my room..i.e hallucinating.

Do you have any other strange sleep habbits. Are there any themes in the dreams that cause these states you find yourself in? I.E are you being chased?
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Re: Scary effects when trying to sleep

Hi! :: Dreamer Waves:::

I was on my way to the Newbie introduction area when I passed by to take a peek in here.

I have Aspergers and one of my main focuses is on Dream-Journaling (hence my user name)

When I first started dream journaling about 10 years ago, I had a lot of nightmares. And after a while I learned that my mind was merely trying to tell me things I needed to know. (Whether it was about health related issues, or the world and people around me)

It IS harder to do than it sounds. But if you are open to training your brain to not be afraid and to open your heart to explore your sleep state, I would be willing to bet that those nightmares will turn into learning experiences.

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Re: Scary effects when trying to sleep

i have experienced something like that..I posted my story in the anxiety section under "my inner monologue screams at me*.

So glad to see people writing about this kind of stuff as we all pretty much know we are not crazy but we have these weird things happen to us.

To summarize mine is like this..when going to bed I used to as a child hear my own voice (i.e inner monolgue) screaming instead of talking. When this would happen it was as if time slowed down and I was in a trance. Spacial things seemed off to, like the room walls felt like they were coming in at me and then going out (think alice in wonderland) or my body felt like it was getting smaller or bigger. when i tried to tell myself to calm down and make my inner voice stop it would only get louder. i would sometimes stay up for over an hour trying to make it go away, usually by passing out.

Such a weird experience.
I also used to suffer from sleep paralysis and can lucid dream. Wonder if it is related in any way.
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Re: Scary effects when trying to sleep

Take a drug holiday....not more drugs. And I'd suggest finding the closest sleep clinic to you - you actually sleep there and they monitor your brain waves - I'm sure they could help you with this issue.

But as for taking the drug holiday - Amphetamines cause REM deprivation or dream deprivation...it's not sleep deprivation b/c you are sleeping...but without spending enough time in REM sleep.

People who are REM depraved tend to be more irritable and anxious...and of course, have trouble concentrating.

Amphetamines work on a part of our brain called the reticular formation - this is the arousal (not sexual, just general...like being awake) centre of our bodies...it basically gets us going. When we are sleeping, it turns off - which is why you don't hear anything..you're basically "dead to the world". But, when you're taking amphetamines, this system never shuts off completely. So you are sleeping...but you're not completely sleeping.

Once you stop the amphetamines - you get something called REM rebound. Basically, once you fall asleep...you go into REM very quickly and stay in it for a very long time...it's your bodies way of catching up.

So yeah, I'd really suggest a drug holiday. But just so you know, REM rebound can cause nightmares, so don't be alarmed.

From what you wrote - I wonder if you were actually awake when this happened. I know that REM sleep is where the very bizarre and emotionally loaded dreams happen - but we also dream in non-REM sleep (NREM)...and although those dreams tend to be random thoughts - maybe you are so REM deprived that REM type dreams are leaking into NREM sleep. If you wake someone up during the first phase of NREM, they will swear they were NOT sleeping. But they were. I wonder if you think you're awake...but you're really asleep.

Something to consider at least. Good luck!
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Re: Scary effects when trying to sleep

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Again I can assure you I'm 100% normal(well ok that might be a stretch)
Off topic but one of my old teachers polled all of his classes with random questions. This was about 200 people. One of the questions was: "do you consider yourself normal?" or something similar. 90% answered no When he asked people to put their hands up if they consider themselves normal afterwards - over half put their hands up.

Pretty cool that it's un-normal to consider yourself normal. At least when asked in private and not publicly.

I know you were probably saying 'healthy' normal - and you did say it was a stretch.
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Re: Scary effects when trying to sleep

This happens to me a lot. Not as much, recently, though. I used to think my brain was being taken over by demons. I really thought that! Because it feels creepy, right? I remember reading that there is a reason for this... something like your brain wakes up before your body and senses are awake. There is also a newage theory that this happens when you were having an out-of-body experience while dreaming... it takes a minute fort you to get back into your body!
Whatever the reason, I agree that it is horrid! Turninug on the lights does help to feel less disoriented though.
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Re: Scary effects when trying to sleep

I've only had this once that I can recall. I woke up and my vision was still a bit blurred, then my band posters were moving, kind of like how a dyslexic sees the words move on a page.
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