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Stimulant treatment - uncontrolled bipolar.

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So precisely what is known about the use of stimulants apon those with out bipolar underwraps?

Can stimulant use over time create a worsening of bipolar issues?



See for all intents and purposes I suffer from ADHD at all times.

I've noticed my mood disorder which I perceive to not be any more extreme either way has steadily increased to a rather rapid cycle.

Then again, I don't know any more.
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Re: Stimulant treatment - uncontrolled bipolar.

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Hi,

So precisely what is known about the use of stimulants apon those with out bipolar underwraps?

Can stimulant use over time create a worsening of bipolar issues?



See for all intents and purposes I suffer from ADHD at all times.

I've noticed my mood disorder which I perceive to not be any more extreme either way has steadily increased to a rather rapid cycle.

Then again, I don't know any more.
I have bipolar and I have taken stimulants for over 13 years. Monitoring bipolar while taking stimulants is a must. There are chances that it could cause mania or mood swings however it is possible to take stimulants.
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Re: Stimulant treatment - uncontrolled bipolar.

What SaraSweets said! Just like to add that bipolar is not a show stopper for adderall or any stims. But since it's hard enough for just about anyone to find a pdoc to even entertain the thought of trying stims, it may be harder for people with bipolar finding pdoc that has the experience with both. I find older pdocs are better then younger ones. The younger ones rely too much on what they read and lack the actual experience so they are reluctant to give anyone stims or any controlled drug.

I had the unfortunate luck of being diagnosed with bipolar back when it was still called manic depressive. The label hounded me for decades! Finally just 2 years ago I finally ran in to a pdoc willing to at least entertain this possibility for me. Once you find a pdoc that tries stims on you, and you react good on it, their records will carry over to the next pdoc should your pdoc retire or die or get another job. I've gone threw a lot of pdocs! Once you establish your ok on stims, and you benefit from them, most pdocs will just continue the previous pdocs findings and treatment.

It was specially hard for me to get started because of my previous label and my age too! Believe it or not, some pdocs don't believe you need stims after 55 or there abouts because the health risks out weigh the benefits in their opinion. Total bs of course, but good luck convincing a pdoc that believes that!

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Re: Stimulant treatment - uncontrolled bipolar.

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I have bipolar and I have taken stimulants for over 13 years. Monitoring bipolar while taking stimulants is a must. There are chances that it could cause mania or mood swings however it is possible to take stimulants.
Do you at the same time feel the need to take something that relaxes the mind or are you able to function monotherapeutically on stimulants?
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Do you at the same time feel the need to take something that relaxes the mind or are you able to function monotherapeutically on stimulants?
I take cymbalta,lamictal,buspar,and geodon among other meds for other reasons. Those meds are a must with or without the adderall I take.
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I take cymbalta,lamictal,buspar,and geodon among other meds for other reasons. Those meds are a must with or without the adderall I take.
Out of sheer curiosity, have you ever had stimulant therapy without mood stabilizers/anticonvulsants at the same time?

If so, how did that affect you? As a backdrop for why I'm asking, I'm trying to figure out this puzzle of "stimulant sensitivity," if it is just the way I am (exaggerated response to all drugs) or a possible result of latent mood disorder.

Without mood stabilizers, do you describe yourself as "hypersensitive to stimulants"?

Forgive if it seems a strange or personal question, I don't mean to come off that way.
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Out of sheer curiosity, have you ever had stimulant therapy without mood stabilizers/anticonvulsants at the same time?

If so, how did that affect you? As a backdrop for why I'm asking, I'm trying to figure out this puzzle of "stimulant sensitivity," if it is just the way I am (exaggerated response to all drugs) or a possible result of latent mood disorder.

Without mood stabilizers, do you describe yourself as "hypersensitive to stimulants"?

Forgive if it seems a strange or personal question, I don't mean to come off that way.
No, I have never had stimulants without those other meds. The reason is because stimulants can make someone with bipolar rapid cycle or sort of flip them into mania. It can be hit or miss though. Alot of people are misdiagnosed with bipolar and take stimulants without anything else and Ive always wondered if that means they really arent bipolar.
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No, I have never had stimulants without those other meds. The reason is because stimulants can make someone with bipolar rapid cycle or sort of flip them into mania. It can be hit or miss though. Alot of people are misdiagnosed with bipolar and take stimulants without anything else and Ive always wondered if that means they really arent bipolar.
no it would not mean that

i can be just on my stimulants without a bipolar switch
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No, I have never had stimulants without those other meds. The reason is because stimulants can make someone with bipolar rapid cycle or sort of flip them into mania. It can be hit or miss though. Alot of people are misdiagnosed with bipolar and take stimulants without anything else and Ive always wondered if that means they really arent bipolar.
A bit long and tangential, but.. Can someone with ADHD *without* mood disorders exhibit sensitivity to stimulants, getting the traditional "upper" effect from all stimulants, even at low doses? It's a simplistic question that may have no easy answer, but I'm asking anyway in case anyone has any thoughts on this.

It has been my lifetime experience. I am *ridiculously* sensitive, although this extends to all drugs and all classes of drugs, there is nothing that "does not" affect me for instance. I wonder if the very NON-adhd response to stimulants is indicative of a mood disorder, or if it is--as I still suspect--it's just the fact that I'm HSP and wired that way.

A recent article I read on HSP was scarily accurate, even suggesting a lot of ADHD folks meet criteria for HSP. (Highly sensitive person)
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