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Flooding - is it really caused by ADHD?

I was reading a post on the adhd support forum and the poster brought up the subject of flooding.

I guess supposedly "flooding" is when a person has anger/rage outbursts. They say logic flies out the door during these floods. Below is a link sarahsweets had provided which explain it more.

Is this really caused soley by ADHD? It doesn't feel like it to me. I can see how ADHD can make it so you can't think straight, that you can't help but vocalize uncontrolled thoughts.

But I can't see how it can generate the anger unless something else is wrong. Like low self-esteem making you angry at the world. Or that it can let you constantly hurt others with your yelling unless deep inside, you are a selfish person that just doesn't care enough about how your actions affect others.

Am I sounding like a not understanding NT here? My guess is yes but I just don't understand.

I'm cool as a cucumber (compared to most people anyway) even though ADHD does make me blurt thoughts out sometimes.

My Daughter's Emotional Floods -- and the Unseen Damage Left Behind by Rebecca Brown Wright at ADDitude Magazine

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Re: Flooding - is it really caused by ADHD?

Thomas Brown (clinical psychologist) writes a lot about emotional dysregulation as a core symptom of ADHD. I'm not knowledgeable about "flooding", but it doesn't seem too much of a stretch to think that flooding might be one of the ways that emotionally dysregulated people express their anger.
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Re: Flooding - is it really caused by ADHD?

Flooding doesn't have to just occur as an an experience of anger. It can be any emotion. I would sometimes get overwhelmed by an experience of sudden washes of Respect or Awe and burst into tears... Flooding ties into mood lability (I hope I spelt that right), which you can also look up.
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Re: Flooding - is it really caused by ADHD?

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I was reading a post on the adhd support forum and the poster brought up the subject of flooding.

I guess supposedly "flooding" is when a person has anger/rage outbursts. They say logic flies out the door during these floods. Below is a link sarahsweets had provided which explain it more.

Is this really caused soley by ADHD? It doesn't feel like it to me. I can see how ADHD can make it so you can't think straight, that you can't help but vocalize uncontrolled thoughts.

But I can't see how it can generate the anger unless something else is wrong. Like low self-esteem making you angry at the world. Or that it can let you constantly hurt others with your yelling unless deep inside, you are a selfish person that just doesn't care enough about how your actions affect others.

Am I sounding like a not understanding NT here? My guess is yes but I just don't understand.

I'm cool as a cucumber (compared to most people anyway) even though ADHD does make me blurt thoughts out sometimes.

My Daughter's Emotional Floods -- and the Unseen Damage Left Behind by Rebecca Brown Wright at ADDitude Magazine
If you don't have extreme moments of emotion, you're very lucky.

If you don't feel overwhelmed at least once a day, you're very lucky.

But it doesn't necessarily mean that you don't have adhd.

This is a spectrum disorder, we all have different symptoms and they can be
different varieties of severe or mild.

I do think the mom in the article has the right idea of putting good stuff into
the adhd'ers emotional banks.

My adhd granddaughter went through that stage of hating herself and
being convinced that everyone else hated her too.

I'm happy to say that she's 20 now and left that stage behind long ago.
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Re: Flooding - is it really caused by ADHD?

maybe a lot of this comes from a combination of sensory overload and sheer frustration;
Also a quieter person with adhd may not actually vocalize these moments, in the first place
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Re: Flooding - is it really caused by ADHD?

I think it comes from my inability to organize multiple stimuli. The most salient stimuli wins and becomes the thing upon which I perseverate: I take anger, mix it with rage and resentment, and I make 'crazy soup!'
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Flooding doesn't have to just occur as an an experience of anger. It can be any emotion. I would sometimes get overwhelmed by an experience of sudden washes of Respect or Awe and burst into tears... Flooding ties into mood lability (I hope I spelt that right), which you can also look up.
I agree. I rarely get angry, but I do sometimes have something happen which will trigger feelings of extreme distress and sadness that are utterly out of proportion to what happened. These feelings might be triggered by my not being able to find something that I've misplaced whereby I jump to the conclusion that it has probably been permanently lost (which is almost never the case) or by something of mine getting damaged or broken. The feelings will come flooding in and then after they've subsided maybe a half an hour or an hour later, I'll wonder how I could have felt so distraught by what happened.
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Re: Flooding - is it really caused by ADHD?

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Thomas Brown (clinical psychologist) writes a lot about emotional dysregulation as a core symptom of ADHD. I'm not knowledgeable about "flooding", but it doesn't seem too much of a stretch to think that flooding might be one of the ways that emotionally dysregulated people express their anger.
I might be able to buy that ADHD could possibly cause flooding (though still not sold) but it's really hard to embrace this idea that emotional dysregulation is a core symptom of ADHD.

If it were, why is it that not a single DSM listed symptom of ADHD is caused by emotional dysregulation?

You'd think if it was a core symptom that every single one of us have then you'd see flooding, mood swings, etc - things related to emotional dysregulation as part of the DSM symptoms.

Is this just one "expert" says or is this something that is overall accepted. I also had thought some things Barkley said were garbage as well. I don't think just cause one or some experts think something, makes it true.
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Re: Flooding - is it really caused by ADHD?

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If you don't have extreme moments of emotion, you're very lucky.

If you don't feel overwhelmed at least once a day, you're very lucky.

But it doesn't necessarily mean that you don't have adhd.

This is a spectrum disorder, we all have different symptoms and they can be
different varieties of severe or mild.
Tbh, I don't even think I have mild emotional dysregulation. I just don't think I have it.

I know about a handful of adhders. Of those, about 60% don't seem to have emotional dysregulation to me.


ADHD makes us prone to many comorbids. Like we are much more likely to have bipolar or some other mental illness. Maybe it's the same with emotional dysregulation? Or perhaps a comorbid cause it? Like autism could cause flooding couldn't it?

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Flooding doesn't have to just occur as an an experience of anger. It can be any emotion. I would sometimes get overwhelmed by an experience of sudden washes of Respect or Awe and burst into tears... Flooding ties into mood lability (I hope I spelt that right), which you can also look up.
That's interesting.
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I might be able to buy that ADHD could possibly cause flooding (though still not sold) but it's really hard to embrace this idea that emotional dysregulation is a core symptom of ADHD.

If it were, why is it that not a single DSM listed symptom of ADHD is caused by emotional dysregulation?

You'd think if it was a core symptom that every single one of us have then you'd see flooding, mood swings, etc - things related to emotional dysregulation as part of the DSM symptoms.

Is this just one "expert" says or is this something that is overall accepted. I also had thought some things Barkley said were garbage as well. I don't think just cause one or some experts think something, makes it true.
ADHD is a spectrum disorder. Very few have all of the symptoms, much less to
the same degree.

At this time, the DSM-5 lists emotional dysregulation as a separate disorder:
DMDD or Disruptive Mood Dysregulation Disorder.

Emotional dysregulation may also play a part in impulsivity and depression.

And no, it's not just one expert saying this is a core feature of adhd ...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5110580/
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Re: Flooding - is it really caused by ADHD?

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I might be able to buy that ADHD could possibly cause flooding (though still not sold) but it's really hard to embrace this idea that emotional dysregulation is a core symptom of ADHD.

If it were, why is it that not a single DSM listed symptom of ADHD is caused by emotional dysregulation?

You'd think if it was a core symptom that every single one of us have then you'd see flooding, mood swings, etc - things related to emotional dysregulation as part of the DSM symptoms.

Is this just one "expert" says or is this something that is overall accepted. I also had thought some things Barkley said were garbage as well. I don't think just cause one or some experts think something, makes it true.
Emotional dysregulation used to be a core symptom listed in DSM, but it got eliminated. Not sure why. Russell Barkley said that he thinks the elimination was a huge mistake.
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Emotional dysregulation used to be a core symptom listed in DSM, but it got eliminated. Not sure why. Russell Barkley said that he thinks the elimination was a huge mistake.
Thanks. Well if it specifically got removed, then there are obviously others that don't believe emotional dysregulation is part of ADHD. I think I still lean toward agreeing with them right now.


Though I admit, it's hard to tell what's a comorbid and what's part of ADHD.
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Re: Flooding - is it really caused by ADHD?

I guess flooding can be a thing but how you choose to act on that is my issue. It cant be used as an excuse to be mean or hateful or violence.
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