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Old 02-19-18, 08:28 PM
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ADHD and pathology.

this has been a difficult subject to get my mind around for a while, and I'm just now sorting out why.

I also realize that with this subject I have to be conscious of what I'm saying.

"be yourself" that was a riddle for the longest time, and all other techniques and things I'll put under the table for now.

"when you are a kid you are yourself, but we often forget who we are along the way" this is paraphrased of what my therapist told me a long time ago and has stuck in my mind, the meaning is so deep that the meaning can be fractured.

such is pathology.

For myself, the best way to come to understand what patholgy is is, well listening to psychiatrists on youtube about the subject (because the actual meaning is somewhat limited on just a google search). One of my favorites is Jordan Peterson.

I think one of the greatest ways to understand what pathology is is to look directly at the worst candidates in history, nations that where lead in Fear by ruthless tyrants, the Fear was so brutal it lead to the famous saying in history class from one such regime, "why is everyone else paranoid".

this fear led to the entire populace doing, saying and thinking a common narrative. the people of those populations slowly lost the "who am I", or the ability to think for themselves. that is Pathology in a nutshell.

it's also a grand scale approach, but it's also the best way for me to wrap my head around it.

but what does this have to do with ADHD.

I'm not suggesting that ADHD is made up, on the contrary. with social media we can be exposed to falsehoods about what ADHD is. These falsehoods can be made by people we respect (often are in my experience).

A while ago my therapist told me in the office what my intelligence and ADHD mean to me after observing me for a good while, what I could do that where Atypical and so forth(and as he guided me away from a lot of the split association from multifaceted pathologies).

what ADHD ment to me from this reflection, in comparison with my intelligence, was different than anything I have ever been told.

for me (and I MUST stress this is just for me), High attention for things that interest you, the ability to change topics at the blink of an eye (both cognitively and actually doing things, High flued intelligence), boosted creativity beyond the general populace, Divergent/convergent thought, affective behavior, high empathy, strong visualization, etc....

this is different than everything I have ever seen relating to ADHD. Why is that?

at one point I read an article explaining pathology and the two other thought processes differently than the grandiouse.
"**Pathological thinking does not see itself. When it starts to see itself, it dissolves, like a witch in water. Pathological thinking is mixed with emotion, and it is the (unrecognized) emotion that directs it.
***Logical thinking works without emotion. It works by comparison, yes or no, either/or. It seeks conclusion, decision between two opposing choices. It is impartial, non-subjective. It works like a computer, composed of bits, dissecting but never understanding.
***Psychological thinking is intellect in harmony with emotion. It is aware of itself. When that awareness vanishes, so does the cooperation of thought and feeling. Thought then becomes logical, pathological, or disappears entirely.

this is the reason why the question "be yourself" is so freaking complex. the only reason why it's complex is when one is inside pathological thought, in otherwords, one doesn't know who they are when they are engaged in pathological thought.

this is why self diagnoses can be impossible, both in context of if one has ADHD or not and in what that exactly means to them. I can read tons of articles online that say "adhd is this and that, they are just hyper, it's made up etc...etc..." and can start thinking "well people with ADHD are just hyper all the time" and start behaving pathologically. the danger in that is, it's a rabbit hole to get out of(heh, play on words).

it's been a while coming but I'm just now starting to think for myself in ways I haven't in the past, to stand up for myself without being a complete di**, to be loving to myself in so many dimensions(and behavior is reciprocal) and to finnaly take on and slay the rest of these pathological thoughts, replacing them with my own beliefs.

it really is somewhat of a challenge to be a unique person, but hey I like challenges.

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Re: ADHD and pathology.

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it's been a while coming but I'm just now starting to think for myself in ways I haven't in the past, to stand up for myself without being a complete di**, to be loving to myself in so many dimensions(and behavior is reciprocal) and to finnaly take on and slay the rest of these pathological thoughts, replacing them with my own beliefs.

it really is somewhat of a challenge to be a unique person, but hey I like challenges.
I am really glad to read things like that. It seems you unmasked one of the nasties pathologies one can have, the idea that one is so broken that one does not deserve to be loved (including by him/herself).

I don't think AD(H)D itself is pathological, it could one day even be seen as a valued specialised skillset. Until then, its mainly the traumas, pain, rejections and failures that it can cause in a neurotypical world that start the pathology within us.

I like your comparison of pathology with fascist states. Pathology ussually is born out of fear, and so are fascist regimes. A fascist regime only survives if it can keep its inhabitants afraid and paranoid.

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"**Pathological thinking does not see itself. When it starts to see itself, it dissolves, like a witch in water. Pathological thinking is mixed with emotion, and it is the (unrecognized) emotion that directs it.
And this leads me to think that the "unrecognized/subconscious" emotion driving pathological thinking ussually is a form of fear (rejection, abandonment, failure)
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