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adhd, hyper focus and the hunter

no, I'm not talking about the myth of narcissus

(I'll refrain from the word you and just use myself as an example)

last week therapy was the biggest trip I've ever taken, I had a eurika moment so long in the making. (only time I'll use the word in a moment) I decided to share, to give back to this community if I could. this was it, that magic bullet so to speak that answered the question "how do you work" I've had for so long. I pose that question to you guys specificly because we all have ADHD and while I know each of us our seperate in our diagnoses, behavior tends to be reciprocal . and if any of you are ****** off at me for saying I have a High IQ before, I'm sorry, I do but I was focusing on the wrong thing(I've tried 3 times not say that but I'm starting to trust myself more, so there it is), that being said, I might have some wisdom here, or I could be behind the times.

for me I work with a combination of 3 things, my want to learn (ya IQ) emotion and creativity. this however isn't just reflected in what I want to do with my life, I've known what I want to do, it's just how to get from point A to point B, or the question I think most of us ask, HOW DO I WORK. focusing on the micro, nada, doing something I'm not interested in, nope.

I think I share the same sentiment as many here do, we have been told to bottle in our emotion instead of learning how to focus our emotion, like a bloody laser, coming to terms with the beast inside (carl jung, the shadow) and using that beast to our advantage instead of being scared of it, taking our love for things (I'll say it, I freaking love video games) and applying it to other places. the how is the big question I faced.

these are direct quotes from me in the things I have done well at in life
"I shine on stage"
"I'm a beast at the guitar"
"I love photography"
"I love the rapid fire nature of summer classes"
"I ******* love video games"

things I'm not good at
"I get stuck in the mud"

shine on stage
beast at guitar
really love photography
rapid fire summer classes
******* love video games
Hyper Focus

I shine on stage because of my love of astronomy and science, that creates an emotional affective response. beast at guitar, well I took the energy of being a little **** and applied it another way. Really love, self explanitory, rapid fire, hell I love video games and applied the rapid fire action of some of my favorite guns (and maybe kung fu movies) to summer classes. ******* love...... ya no explanation needed:

even the stuff I thought I was horrible at before, when I started to think about the task at hand (task list is the most boring thing ever, Action list however)and applying what I learned in therapy (I use to suck at cleaning, now I think of turning chaos into order, oh ya, I love D&D but also the concepts behind Jungian psychology) I could start.... doing

I could start making action plans with multiple steps, something I learned through therapy, when I get done with those steps I would mark them off, check mark, that would send some dopamine surging, I would feel better.

the hunter is a bit different of a concept. it goes to the idea of hunter/gatherer society.

the question goes, would one like to be a farmer or a hunter, or the question can be split up, would one like to be a farm, if no, you would be a hunter. some of that is instinctual, some of that is based on faculty, some of that is formed on hell, straight openness and consciousnesses scores. the more open the more of a chance someone is going to be a hunter, the less and more consciousness they are, the more they are going to be a farmer.

hunter's in today's world are Researchers (lots of stuff going on), rescuers, doctors, artists, musicians, scientists, writers, policemen etc. this seems to be somewhat ingrained in us, we would play as children, our novel idea's came out early (my first was wanting to be an archaeologist)

basically we have what is refereed to as grit and doggedness, only that information is eschewed through the very same reason going to therapy is, stigma. we see what other's say about us online and start thinking something is.

we get our mental energy, that being the stuff that gives us clarity through what we want and that is focused on our emotional responses to things and how we describe them. being told to shut up instead of harnessing our mental focus is completely detrimental. good news though, if any of this jives with anyone well, you (sorry) can start to up your ante.

the other type of thinking get's there mental energy from tactile responses, emotion is important but not as important, it's not that big of a driver, to us emotion is the driver.

I just got to say this was one part acceptance piece and one part a hope that someone else might get something from it, I'm still trying to wrap my head around it, but the more I wright and think about it and work on it the better it comes into clarity.
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Re: adhd, hyper focus and the hunter

My friend, say no more. You are but in so many ways like me. Boring tasks are unspeakably hard to pay attention to for me as well. It's not just lack of interest or lack of caring per se, but just a profoundly strong deficit of focus, or perhaps if you are like me which it sounds, hyperfocus can be just as annoying because at least for me it is almost like my eyes and mind are sort of deadlocked into one task and as though they are kind of paralyzed into the task at hand and even just moving my eyes away from said activity proves daunting.
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Living a life with a Hunter brain in a world populated and structured by farmers is confusing. Cause by default you are not designed to fit in, and from a young age you are feeling this, but not sure why. You may try to adapt but fail enough times that in the end you just give up and create a survivable niche where your hunter mindset can thrive, and at the same time you choose to stay far away from all those farmer-controlled areas of life. You may even look down on that sort of society and way of life, as it simply does not work for you and totally brings your brain offline just thinking about it.

But although it is a totally natural course of events to withdraw, it still leaves us alienated and conflicted.

On one hand we may proud ourselves to be a hunter braintype, to achieve and excel in moments where that IQ and hyperfocus create a powerfull "perfect storm" of clear insight and activeness in even the most complex of issues, to only moments later feel like a total fraud and be ashamed for failing in simple everyday farmer activities.

Lately i see that ADD does not necessarily have to mean that i have low self-esteem, my self-esteem is just totally scattered accross this hunter/farmer paradigm and consists of conflicting highs and lows that i am constantly navigating between.

I may be very different as a "Hunter", the type has it's strengths and weaknesses, and that's okay. but perhaps the cruelty in our lives comes from the fact that we judge ourselves from that farmers perspective. And that's almost like judging a fish on its ability to climb trees.

I want to grow better at the farmer stuff, because i know it will improve my life in some ways. But since I have stopped expecting that it will ever fit on me naturally, and know that i will always struggle with certain aspects, i have gotten less scared to fail at it. Which ironically encourages me to try adapting it more.
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Re: adhd, hyper focus and the hunter

I haven't come across and read the hunter vs farmer analogy in a while.. and in retrospective.. I can see how I am very much a hunter.

as Declutter mentioned, all of us here are inclined towards being hunters.. but if you want to get ahead and be `successful` in the modern sense of the term.. you do need to grow some `farmer` wings.

I do hate to grow those farmer `wings`, as its kindof outside my comfort zone.. but I have always like pushing my limits. Not having those `farmer` wings has cost me and also gained me lots historically.
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I haven't come across and read the hunter vs farmer analogy in a while.. and in retrospective.. I can see how I am very much a hunter.

as Declutter mentioned, all of us here are inclined towards being hunters.. but if you want to get ahead and be `successful` in the modern sense of the term.. you do need to grow some `farmer` wings.

I do hate to grow those farmer `wings`, as its kindof outside my comfort zone.. but I have always like pushing my limits. Not having those `farmer` wings has cost me and also gained me lots historically.
I don't buy into the theory that everyone with adhd is a "hunter."

I would suck as a hunter because I'd get bored sitting there waiting for the
animal to come along. I'd start digging in the dirt, or picking bark off the tree,
playing with the grass ... and miss the animal when it pauses a few yards away.

If I was following a herd of animals I could see my attention being drawn by a
flock of birds circling overhead, by small animals darting away in the tall grass,
something would distract me sooner or later.


Comorbid disorders can also affect how we see and interact with the world.
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I don't buy into the theory that everyone with adhd is a "hunter."

I would suck as a hunter because I'd get bored sitting there waiting for the
animal to come along. I'd start digging in the dirt, or picking bark off the tree,
playing with the grass ... and miss the animal when it pauses a few yards away.

If I was following a herd of animals I could see my attention being drawn by a
flock of birds circling overhead, by small animals darting away in the tall grass,
something would distract me sooner or later.


Comorbid disorders can also affect how we see and interact with the world.
Haha, you have a pretty good point there! I'm kind of a klutz because I don't always pay attention to what I'm doing with my hands and feet, so besides getting distracted by random things, I could also imagine shooting myself in the foot, or tripping over my spear or something. I would agree that it is probably an over-simplification to say that ADD = hunter. But I would say that we are all made differently, with different strengths and weaknesses. It's just that some of us have a combination of strengths and weaknesses that don't quite fit the culturally accepted idea of "normal" (whatever "normal" may mean).
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I never buy into the hunter gatherer situation it doesn't relate to me and I don't see how it plays into having ADHD.
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Haha, you have a pretty good point there! I'm kind of a klutz because I don't always pay attention to what I'm doing with my hands and feet, so besides getting distracted by random things, I could also imagine shooting myself in the foot, or tripping over my spear or something. I would agree that it is probably an over-simplification to say that ADD = hunter. But I would say that we are all made differently, with different strengths and weaknesses. It's just that some of us have a combination of strengths and weaknesses that don't quite fit the culturally accepted idea of "normal" (whatever "normal" may mean).
I'm clumsy too, always have been. I'd likely trip over my spear and thereby
stab myself in the thigh.

Hunting for plants in the wild, I might have been able to do that.
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Well, when i use the Hunter metaphor i don't consider myself the type to chase through the woods with the sole focus on killing animals. That would not work for me either...

But, i can imagine that the Hunters life didn't involve complicated planning and long-term focus. He just had to find an animal and hunt it down with his sharp flight-or-fight enhanced focus. After that, he pretty much had all day to wander around nature, occupy himself with distractions, find someplace to sleep and cook his meal and meanwhile his only worry probably was not to get eaten or hurt himself.

He didn't have to worry much about time, except that the sun would go down, but never had to rush from appointement to appointement, he never had to think about taxes or paying the bills, bring the car in for maintenance or take his ADD meds on time.

A hunters life had a totally different rythm and basically required him to just focus on what was in front of him/her.
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I'm clumsy too, always have been. I'd likely trip over my spear and thereby
stab myself in the thigh.

Hunting for plants in the wild, I might have been able to do that.
well I might be playing a game of high extraction, so.... I've been trying to get better at that (so please bare with me if some of my wording seems to disjointed sometimes)

I can easily see how we can look at the hunter/gatherer psychology and say it doesn't fit us. Hell I LOVE animals, the more dogs and cats and ferrets the better.

so, saying that I can easily say I would suck at a hunter in the wilds, but that's only because of my predisposition to current life. animals provide me with love at any moment that I find despair in and can really transform the moment. I'm way to empathetic right now to hunt, always well be.

still. I love being outdoors, I love photoshoots of nature. I can wait for the perfect (ehh, really don't like saying that word) of wildlife, geese on the lake for instance. instead instead of killing anything I capture the beauty of the moment.

in business, the hunter etho's really makes sense. I've good at networking and abstracting high amounts of information on the fly. I like *things (you know the stuff we have to abstract meaning out of) that have a lot of moving parts.

networking, getting multiple feeds of input, bouncing idea's around, getting to the *heart* of the issue with laser like precision, doing fantastic at tasks I don't even like with rapid fire action(giggity)

what would a hunter on the hunt do? they have a hunting party (network), they knew who would have one particular strength of weakness because if we didn't know that could cause a wipeout killing tigers in the wild. getting multiple feeds of input is just communicating the best ways to move forward (as well with bouncing around idea's). then getting to the heart of the subject/issue, the killing blow that is the answer to a particular problem (be that a corporate problem or not)

the hyperactive in their heads (fast thinkers) who aren't fast on their feet would be the cheiften basicly, or the brains of the hunt. those who are really good at being hyper on their feet, the people you send off to meetings because that's what they do. I'm a mix of both, so...there you go.

once I accepted this, and it doesn't have anything to do with npd (just a bit more positive narc traits(cause we need more dopamie, a GIANT difference, still one to be aware of) my life started to make a lot more sense

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My friend, say no more. You are but in so many ways like me. Boring tasks are unspeakably hard to pay attention to for me as well. It's not just lack of interest or lack of caring per se, but just a profoundly strong deficit of focus, or perhaps if you are like me which it sounds, hyperfocus can be just as annoying because at least for me it is almost like my eyes and mind are sort of deadlocked into one task and as though they are kind of paralyzed into the task at hand and even just moving my eyes away from said activity proves daunting.
This get's back to who we are as a people.

we are a tribe of hunters. what interests us re energizes our dopamine circuits (not a clinical way of putting that I'm sure).

we face tremendious STIGMA because of this and we must know the reason for this is projection of other's and their own prejudices and insecurities and NOT let that effect us. when we know projections we can defend ourselves from all sorts of pathology.

that takes some work, some self authoring, going in our past to where people hurt us and look for their own judge (the you) and forgive them (so we can forgive ourselves). the concept of projection is a google search away. when we start doing that we can know what a projection looks like, what it is, how to defend outselfs from pathology from such projection(if I got my terms right) and be better people because of it.
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Didn’t mean to say thank you. I actually really enjoy the way you write.... I do. And I know the pull to say the things you did. IQ, Intelligence, socioeconomic standing... race, ethnicity, gender identity, sexual orientation..... humans categorize themselves above others in any way they can. I choose to believe that it’s because they don’t realize it.

Let me elaborate. When I went to talk to someone about my issues, my FEARS were that this human with whom I am placed my most vulnerable and embarrassing/shameful/ just issues i would rather not talk about... and before I went to talk to my psych, do you know what I did? What everyone who really wants help does. Don’t look or act or say anything that could be interpreted like you’re a drug seeker. Or, as you are worried about stupid or ignorant or whatever your fear is. I’m a police officer and my fraternal TWIN sister starts her trauma surgery fellowship shortly,

We’ve had VASTLY DIFFERENT stories eeven spending the first 22 years of our lives together - same classes same sports same best friends and we are exact opposites lol

I know the feeling as you wrote your explanation out, but I resent the fact you must state your “HIGH IQ” in a forum where I would bet a lot of people feel they are stigmatized as stupid or lazy. WE ARE ALL DEALING WITH THE SAME DEBITATUNG PROBLEM.

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that's just it, it's just stigma from other's.

we don't have to stigmatize ourselfs.
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well I might be playing a game of high extraction, so.... I've been trying to get better at that (so please bare with me if some of my wording seems to disjointed sometimes)

I can easily see how we can look at the hunter/gatherer psychology and say it doesn't fit us. Hell I LOVE animals, the more dogs and cats and ferrets the better.

so, saying that I can easily say I would suck at a hunter in the wilds, but that's only because of my predisposition to current life. animals provide me with love at any moment that I find despair in and can really transform the moment. I'm way to empathetic right now to hunt, always well be.

still. I love being outdoors, I love photoshoots of nature. I can wait for the perfect (ehh, really don't like saying that word) of wildlife, geese on the lake for instance. instead instead of killing anything I capture the beauty of the moment.

in business, the hunter etho's really makes sense. I've good at networking and abstracting high amounts of information on the fly. I like *things (you know the stuff we have to abstract meaning out of) that have a lot of moving parts.

networking, getting multiple feeds of input, bouncing idea's around, getting to the *heart* of the issue with laser like precision, doing fantastic at tasks I don't even like with rapid fire action(giggity)

what would a hunter on the hunt do? they have a hunting party (network), they knew who would have one particular strength of weakness because if we didn't know that could cause a wipeout killing tigers in the wild. getting multiple feeds of input is just communicating the best ways to move forward (as well with bouncing around idea's). then getting to the heart of the subject/issue, the killing blow that is the answer to a particular problem (be that a corporate problem or not)

the hyperactive in their heads (fast thinkers) who aren't fast on their feet would be the cheiften basicly, or the brains of the hunt. those who are really good at being hyper on their feet, the people you send off to meetings because that's what they do. I'm a mix of both, so...there you go.

once I accepted this, and it doesn't have anything to do with npd (just a bit more positive narc traits(cause we need more dopamie, a GIANT difference, still one to be aware of) my life started to make a lot more sense
I suppose it's really the "one size fits all" aspect that I object to.

In the autism community it's said "If you've met one person with autism,
you've met ONE person with autism."

Same diagnosis, but lots of individual differences.

And as I noted earlier, comorbid disorders can make a big difference.

Someone with adhd and anxiety ... second guessing every move, jumping at
every noise.

Someone with adhd and depression ... too much effort (mental and physical)
to get up, grab the spear and go for a nice walk looking for food on the hoof.

Someone with adhd and autism ... but I hunt on Monday, but it was raining on
Monday, but it's sunny today, but I can't hunt today because it's not Monday.

Someone with adhd and bipolar ... so we're out of food, what do you want me
to do about it? Next day: so we're out of food, I will fill the pantry of everyone
in the world all by myself just watch me!
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Re: adhd, hyper focus and the hunter

true enough, but it isn't a one size fits all mentality

I don't know how you work, but the way I do is I set my sights on an action and then do it, the more I overthink it the less a chance whatever it is doesn't get done.

in the op I laid out one of the ways I do get that done, some sort of affective phrase that is deep and personal to myself. Rapid fire action, I get that from video games and kung fu movies.

think of it like this, if it was a one size fits all mentality all of adhd would be, but adhd isn't a one size fits all, and neither is the research on this.

I mean think of it, we rely on science and psychology for our meds, for our personal treatment, therapy etc... I don't see how we can accept all those things, but then reject the one notion that seems to benefit the people that accept that notion the most.

think about (and I don't presume to project here) the hours we spend online looking for *something*, the hours we will spend on video games and things that are important to us.

how many hours have you personally spent searching for something, an answer, whatever. I don't presume to project here either, but how much knowledge do you have of just, stuff, in your own search for answers?

now apply that to what a hunter would do, has something in his sights, will search for all the information he can, and then go get whatever it is.

I think we all might have a similar story in that regard, or several thousand
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