Omega-3 question type thingy

[Lunacie]

Originally Posted by PookDo

True but if I'm right adults have a more developed frontal lobe than children which if I'm correct is the part of the brain that deals with executive function. Then again I could be wrong

And yet, the same stimulant meds seem to work for both children and adults.

Originally Posted by Sandy4957

The first thing that Dr. Edward Hallowell (so, an MD) told me to do was to get on high-dose fish oil.

I've been interested in fish oil for other reasons, so I've just done it for those reasons.

Silven, there's also a strawberry flavored supplement available for kids. I'm not sure where it would be available in your area, but this is the company:

http://www.nordicnaturals.com/en/Pro...4/?ProdID=1615

They're the least nasty-tasting of any that I've had, but I agree that the lemon-flavored ones are ok.

Thing is, though, you'd have to take a lot of softgels to get to the doses recommended for neurological issues.

I only take two softgels each morning. I think I tried taking 3 for awhile and
didn't notice any difference. Just as with stimulants, some may need a
higher dose while some do fine on a small dose.

[silivrentoliel]

Originally Posted by Sandy4957

The first thing that Dr. Edward Hallowell (so, an MD) told me to do was to get on high-dose fish oil.

I've been interested in fish oil for other reasons, so I've just done it for those reasons.

Silven, there's also a strawberry flavored supplement available for kids. I'm not sure where it would be available in your area, but this is the company:

http://www.nordicnaturals.com/en/Pro...4/?ProdID=1615

They're the least nasty-tasting of any that I've had, but I agree that the lemon-flavored ones are ok.

Thing is, though, you'd have to take a lot of softgels to get to the doses recommended for neurological issues.

That's the brand I use, but the lemon flavor. It's been making me gag lately tho, so I've been sharing w/ my dogs... whatever, it's good for them too. I'm not sure it's actually doing anything though... I can't tell.

[Sandy4957]

You may be right, Lunacie. I was going off of a couple different doctors' books' recommendations. I can't recall if it's the Hallowell books and I've given all of mine away, but I think that he recommends something like 10,000 mg for ADHD.

Here, Silven, in case you might find this useful. It's a study by several doctors, including Hallowell and Sears, regarding ADHD and Omega-3s. Note that they started the kids off taking very high doses, then tested to see what their blood levels were.

http://www.nutritionj.com/content/6/1/16

I've found that I feel best when I take between 6 and 12 of the large softgels per day (or the equivalent liquid), but that's a lot of fish oil. Above 12 per day and I'll have digestive issues. (Which is a nice way of putting it... ) Below 6 I don't notice any effect.

And it's not like you'll notice something instantly. This is the type of thing that takes a few weeks to "work."

When I first started taking fish oil several years ago, we had an incident that drove home how it affects inflammation. We had 9 cubic yards of topsoil delivered for some work that we were going to do in our yard. It got dumped into our driveway, which slopes a little bit. I specifically arranged that it would be delivered when we were supposed to have a dry stretch, so that we could get it off of the driveway before we had a thunderstorm.

Right after it got delivered, the hubster blew out two disks doing something with his car.

So he was out of commission. Now, I'm reasonably fit, but shoveling, wheelbarrowing, and raking 9 cubic yards of dirt isn't something that I do every day (or ever, really), so I was pretty skeptical about whether I could get all this done. (The hubster was even more skeptical.) But I did it. The hubster was amazed. And we were both convinced that I'd be unable to MOVE the next day, but lo and behold, I was no more sore than I might have been if I'd done a light weight workout.

No one has ever told me that that was due to the fish oil, but it was the ONLY factor that differentiated that incident from any other of a list of situations where I'd have been unable to move the next day, so I try to keep up with the fish oil, though I can't say that I'm always successful.

[Lunacie]

Hmm, maybe that's why I didn't see any effect with the brand I bought at Walgreens ...
I wasn't taking enough of it.

When I buy the cheap stuff at Walmart or Dollar Tree, 2 softgels is all I need.

[Drewbacca]

Originally Posted by PookDo

I refuse to take fish oil for ADHD until someone can provide proof that it actually does any good.Most supplements people purchase are good for nothing more than expensive urin

My urine is worth some $$$ to the right buyer. Ha!

Anyways, I do take fish-oil but not for ADHD. Watch the video I posted above, it's legit. We don't have enough omega 3's in our diet because we are over saturated with corn-based omega 6s. Whether or not this is causing problems is questionable, but the fact that the 3s and 6s aren't balanced seems to be an accepted fact.

Then again, some studies have indicated that the only way to absorb the amino acids is with actual food... they state the the pill/liquid supplement isn't very efficient for absorption into the body.

[silivrentoliel]

gah! That's like 6tsp a day! Dunno if I could handle that.

[PookDo]

Originally Posted by Lunacie

And yet, the same stimulant meds seem to work for both children and adults.





I only take two softgels each morning. I think I tried taking 3 for awhile and
didn't notice any difference. Just as with stimulants, some may need a
higher dose while some do fine on a small dose.

Then again I have read that that same frontal lobe is not quite developed to it's capacity which could be part of the basis for ADHD in both children and adults. Not arguing with you just in a very science geeky mood today as well as yesterday.

[Dizfriz]

Originally Posted by PookDo

Then again I have read that that same frontal lobe is not quite developed to it's capacity which could be part of the basis for ADHD in both children and adults. Not arguing with you just in a very science geeky mood today as well as yesterday.

The frontal area of the brain is the last to develop, it is not mature until somewhere around age 30 give or take.

There have been some good science based studies on fish oil for ADHD, especially coming from Australia and it does seem to work for some.

I take 3 grams of fish oil daily for cardiovascular purposes and this also has some good research behind it. My doc recommends this.

Is it proven? No, but nothing is science is.

I have not read where it does any harm but someone, somewhere will have a negative reaction so with anything you put into your body, you need to carefully monitor for adverse reactions.

Dizfriz

[hjajck]

Originally Posted by Dizfriz

The frontal area of the brain is the last to develop, it is not mature until somewhere around age 30 give or take.

This explains the connection between ADHD and brain injury, especially before age 30.

[Drewbacca]

Originally Posted by PookDo

I refuse to take fish oil for ADHD until someone can provide proof that it actually does any good.Most supplements people purchase are good for nothing more than expensive urin

Combined omega 3 and omega 6 Supplementation in Children With Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) Refractory to Methylphenidate Treatment: A Double-Blind, Placebo-Controlled Study
Journal of Child Neurology. Vol. 27 (6). JUN 2012

Abstract
Children (6-12 years) with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) being treated with methylphenidate and standard behavior therapy for more than 6 months, whose parents reported no improvement in behavior and academic learning, were randomly assigned to receive supplementation with a combined omega 3 and omega 6 preparation or a placebo. Outcome was measured at 3 and 6 months after treatment using a self-assessment checklist completed by the parents. Statistically significant improvement was found in the treatment group compared with the placebo group (P < .01) in the following measures: restlessness, aggressiveness, completing work, and academic performance. Statistically significant improvement was not found at 3 months of treatment between groups but was evident at 6 months of treatment (P < .05) with inattention, impulsiveness, and cooperation with parents and teachers. Distractibility failed to show improvement. Effect sizes ranged from 0.3 to 1.1 at 3 months and 0.2 to 1.4 at 6 months for individual symptom variables.

[Lunacie]

Originally Posted by Drewbacca

Combined omega 3 and omega 6 Supplementation in Children With Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) Refractory to Methylphenidate Treatment: A Double-Blind, Placebo-Controlled Study
Journal of Child Neurology. Vol. 27 (6). JUN 2012

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Thank you, but can you provide a link please. I'd like to know more about this.

[Drewbacca]

Only the abstract is available, which is why I didn't bother with the link.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22596014