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Old 12-14-10, 06:55 PM
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Adderall effects me for a few days!

The following won't apply to 90% of this board because most people blindly take their adderall as prescribed and which means they actually use amphetamine everyday for years. Imo this is sucide for long term cardio-vascular health, i.e. I want to avoid heart attacks in my 60s.

So I only use Adderall 0-4 days a week. Sometimes I'll do a super good job with behavior therapy and it overcomes my natural chemical imbalance and I can avoid using adderall for 2 weeks in a row. Sometimes life demands too much of me and I my CBT cant get me to focus so I have to use adderall 4 days in a row!

So after 9 months I have a really good of what it does to my body when I'm on and off it.

I've noticed something very interesting. When I take adderall (15 mg), I get the typical effect profile for about 6 hours. But I notice some interesting lingering after effects.

These lingering after effects include increased attention, alertness, increased energy, no desire for sweets ( usually i crave sweets at night or after work).

Even though these effects are present during my first 6 hours after ingestion of the pill, they are different from the full effect which includes (increased motivation, mood elation, emotional serenity, loss of appetite etc..).

What's really interesting is these lingering after effects can last for a few days!

This means I can focus easier and am more alert, and it doesn't require effort like CBT for focus.

After a few days this alertness and increased focus has completely disappeared. And i'm back into putting a lot of effort into CBT for focus. This is ok as I know eventually I'll be so structured and good at CBT, I won't need to use dangerous substances like amphetamine.

Does anyone, whose using their medication in moderation like me, experience side effects for a few days after,?
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Old 12-16-10, 08:56 PM
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Re: Adderall effects me for a few days!

Yes, but I take Dexedrine IR (basically the same thing as Adderall). If I take a dose in the morning I usually don't need to redose in the afternoon because I still feel focused and able to complete tasks. That initial morning dose can last me until the next day too. I rarely take Dexedrine though, so this might be a factor.

In my experience when I used to take Adderall IR it did last a little longer than Dexedrine IR. I used to take 60 mg of Adderall IR in the morning and another 60 mg of Adderall IR in the afternoon that would make me feel focused for days. But after awhile on that regiment I had it dropped to 20 mg daily which for me lasted a long time still but not nearly as long as 120 mg daily of Adderall.
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Old 12-16-10, 09:49 PM
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Re: Adderall effects me for a few days!

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I used to take 60 mg of Adderall IR in the morning and another 60 mg of Adderall IR in the afternoon that would make me feel focused for days.


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The following won't apply to 90% of this board because most people blindly take their adderall as prescribed and which means they actually use amphetamine everyday for years. Imo this is sucide for long term cardio-vascular health, i.e. I want to avoid heart attacks in my 60s.
Fair concern. Especially if you have heart problems in your family history.

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So I only use Adderall 0-4 days a week. Sometimes I'll do a super good job with behavior therapy and it overcomes my natural chemical imbalance and I can avoid using adderall for 2 weeks in a row. Sometimes life demands too much of me and I my CBT cant get me to focus so I have to use adderall 4 days in a row!

So after 9 months I have a really good of what it does to my body when I'm on and off it.
It's very smart to do that. Discontinuing medicine for a few days allows the amphetamine blood levels to drop down close to zero. This allows you to be in control of the substance by knowing what's it like to be on Adderall and what's it like to be yourself. Problems often arise when you forget what's like to be yourself after years of daily amphetamine use.

I have seen many people in denial, astonished by how absent minded they feel after discontinuing Adderall after years of medication. You get to a point where you can't believe that's actually you and these people are in denial and claim that Adderall destroyed their neurons while in fact medical tests performed on them prove the contrary.

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After a few days this alertness and increased focus has completely disappeared. And i'm back into putting a lot of effort into CBT for focus. This is ok as I know eventually I'll be so structured and good at CBT, I won't need to use dangerous substances like amphetamine.

Does anyone, whose using their medication in moderation like me, experience side effects for a few days after,?
Dangerous, that's stretching it a little. Avoid anything that's extended release.
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Old 12-17-10, 12:21 AM
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Re: Adderall effects me for a few days!

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Dangerous, that's stretching it a little. Avoid anything that's extended release.
It all depends on how you use it. I should of clarified this.
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Re: Adderall effects me for a few days!

And your knowledge that it will hurt you long term stems from what? The post reads more of prejudice than of anything else.

That's great that this is the impact for you. Do you avoid certain foods i.e. citrus based or take other supplements?

I'd personally disagree that CBT alone will cure you of your ADD. If your ADD is legit, then its chemical which all the good habits of the world won't cure you of. At the end of the day, if you get distracted after 20minutes then being in the Library of Alexandria wouldn't stop that.
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And your knowledge that it will hurt you long term stems from what? The post reads more of prejudice than of anything else.
I have read tons of papers on the impact of adderal on your cardiovascular system, but you know how I really know it?

I can tell! Because I don't use adderall everyday, I can tell my body is way more stressed, under load, and my heart definitely beats harder/intenser. I know I'm stressing my body out by putting amphetamine in it. It might not bother you one bit, but I can feel its effects and I know my body very well.

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That's great that this is the impact for you. Do you avoid certain foods i.e. citrus based or take other supplements?
Yes, during the morning and day time I avoid acidifying foods to maximize nutrient and vitamin asorbtion. I take 15+ OTC vitamins and organic chemicals every single day. (antioxidants, amino acids, and superfoods (algea, goji berries, raw cacao)...

At night time, I'll take 2 grams of vitamin c, some riboflavin, drink a few litres of water and do yoga. I fall asleep naturally without any other drugs. No seroquel, no ativan, and no marijuana. I'm really happy I figured this system out, I used to depend on ativan to sleep because adderall is always fully effecting me since I keep myself at zero tolerance.

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If your ADD is legit, then its chemical which all the good habits of the world won't cure you of.
I disagree with you. But for the sake of discussion, lets say you can't cure yourself completely.

I think we can both at least agree that you can do a lot for your neuro-chemistry. I'm not just talking about obvious stuff (exercise, diet, supplementation).

Doing behavior therapy also changes the chemicals balance in your brain.

When you do these exercises that mentally and emotionally get you focused, you're actually activating the focus parts of your brain.

The parts are like a muscle. You're brain is actually pumping more blood and oxygen to these parts of the brain, and chemicals are being released and pathways are growing.

So I believe you can do a lot for your brain. I'm not saying you can cure yourself, or fix severe brain damage, but you can definitely make it stronger.

If you just rely on the drug, your brain will atrophy and you will become more and more dependent on adderall.
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Old 12-17-10, 09:59 AM
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Re: Adderall effects me for a few days!

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I can tell! Because I don't use adderall everyday, I can tell my body is way more stressed, under load, and my heart definitely beats harder/intenser. I know I'm stressing my body out by putting amphetamine in it. It might not bother you one bit, but I can feel its effects and I know my body very well.
What he says is true. Most people on this forum don't want to admit it because all use Adderall and not using it anymore signifies the end of days but it's true that it can make some people tense physically from the stimulation so indeed, you don't need to read an article about it to know it affects your heart.
Even if you don't take Adderall, try to tense up your lung muscles and stay like that for 30 seconds...you will realize that the cardiotoxicity cardiotoxicity has nothing to do with the problem, you're just squeezing your organs inside for days.
For most people Adderall does not make them tense so they can take it and depend on it freely with no long term side effects.

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At night time, I'll take 2 grams of vitamin c, some riboflavin, drink a few litres of water and do yoga. I fall asleep naturally without any other drugs. No seroquel, no ativan, and no marijuana. I'm really happy I figured this system out, I used to depend on ativan to sleep because adderall is always fully effecting me since I keep myself at zero tolerance.

I think we can both at least agree that you can do a lot for your neuro-chemistry. I'm not just talking about obvious stuff (exercise, diet, supplementation).

When you do these exercises that mentally and emotionally get you focused, you're actually activating the focus parts of your brain.

If you just rely on the drug, your brain will atrophy and you will become more and more dependent on adderall.
Supplements are no different then medication. It's a chemical treatment as well. It's only a matter of fashion and it goes under the common belief we call ''natural diet'' that food supplements are seen as beneficial and free of any dangers.
If you have a beginning of a small cancer, taking food suplements especially those with amino-acids like Tyrosine can speed up the evolution of the cancer considerably, while eating fruits and vegetables will slow down the growth of the cancer. I would avoid thinking of natural supplements as ''coming from nature'' because they aren't. Nature does not give you every nutrient in the world in a single nut or pill.

Yoga is great but the Vit C and Riboflavin, well, if you are dosing them in the right amounts which is hard to believe (if you drink a glass of orange juice you shouldn't dose any Vit C for the rest of the day), they could be useful. A natural chemical is no different from a man made chemical, the only difference is that with man made chemicals we are able to control nature rather then depending on it in a random and unpredictable manner so that when nature is gone, we won't be. As human species we don't like to depend on things, like it has to be windy outside to be able to sail etc. we want to be independent of our environment and act freely.
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Re: Adderall effects me for a few days!

It's like with Omega-3 supplement or other supplements. They also contain sodium benzoate, monosodium glutamate, colorant E115-E250, now of course it's not written on the label if they want to sell the natural product but it's there. They can't just take the fish and put it in the pill, it has to undergo industrial processing I mean what's cheaper to you, if you were the plant manager? To spend 1 million dollars a year in refrigeration costs or 500$ on sodium benzoate?

As a chemist I have on rule that never fails. Food that's healthy and good your your body will go bad at room temperature very fast. Like quality sushi and sashimi, you let it sit there for 3 hours might as well throw it out, or when you cut an apple in 2, the sectional area will go brown in less than 15 minutes.

If the pills you take are healthy and natural, then take on out, put it on your desk and let it sit there for a week. After a week you'll notice that the pill is unchanged, no bad smell, no change in color. How can something healthy and natural, not go bad after sitting on your table for a week?
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Re: Adderall effects me for a few days!

Jester: you raise some very excellent points!

For one, vitamins are like a medication and there are various levels of control.

I regularly see a doctor who helps decide my vitamin repertoire and she decides where to order the vitamins from. High quality baby

I disagree that all you need is one glass of OJ a day. For starters, we need to define the goals of our supplementation.

Is the goal to avoid deficiency? Then yes, one glass of OJ a day will be more than enough to prevent deficiency.

But what if your goal is excellent health instead of average health?

If excellent health is your goal, then you might need to take higher amounts of specific vitamins.

The question isn't settled on the amount of vitamins or group of vitamins needed for optimizing specific areas of your health.

Lots of research is going on and there's still so much we don't know. Man made chemicals are just as funky as the vitamins!

On a more practical note, while vitamins need to be researched as they are like a medicine, most of common OTCs are so much safer than man made medicine.

This is why they should also be given a chance first before moving on to Amphetamine or something like it.
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Re: Adderall effects me for a few days!

I notice on the first day off in a row the effects of even a light dose of 10 mg from the day before. How would I describe the after effect? Dry mouth, clear sinus, slightly more sticky brain, and what I mean by sticky is I'm a little more self reflective, a little more thorough in my reasoning, not pedantic. Oh I get up in the morning earlier and easier. It seems to make me not want to drink alcohol, but if I do I tend to drink maybe a bit more than normal. The aftereffects are mitigated.
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Well, I got my blood pressure from my doctor on and off the Adderall and they were almost the same, actually I think it was lower on the Adderall because I was more relaxed. Anyway, it's good to see the doctor on a constant basis to keep an eye on your blood pressure and heart, if it starts to become a problem, find a different medication.

Anyway, normally after I take the meds, the effects are gone after about 9 hours. You shouldn't feel the effects of the stims the next day. It's probably in you imagination, or you're doing something different that has nothing to do with the medicine.
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Re: Adderall effects me for a few days!

like Zevi a condition of my medication is that i undergo regular bp and pulse checks...whats more risky is an unmedicated and impulsive person like me that might just run out into traffic and get hit by a car...i have to say that no doctor will prescribe stims unless the benefits far outweigh the costs
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