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Old 05-10-11, 03:31 PM
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is everything that is considered an addiction actually classified as an addiction?

Ok I mean no disrespect I just like thought provoking discussions. These are my opinions only nothing more and I don't mean to minimalize anyones addiction. So for example: if someone has a compulsive shopping addiction is it the addiction to the shopping to spending money or is it its own animal? Is a sex addiction a compulsive bad habit or a porn addiction? Is it limited to multiple partners or masterbation?(Sp) is addiction itself its own disease? For example with cross addiction where someone can jump fropm one addiction to another is it just an addictive personality or each and every substance and act that is the addiction? Is every single addiction completly diagnosible? Are their some addictions that you feel are in a grey area or not "real" addictions?
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Re: is everything that is considered an addiction actually classified as an addiction

good thought. in my very unprofessional opinion, and without the help of wikipedia, here is my opinion.

an addiction is an addiction - and all addictions are real. a person can have (an) addiction, or can have an addictive personality and become addicted to being addicted, or easily become addicted to multiple or many things. there are both physical and psychological addictions, both which stimulate the same pleasure centers, and/or other neurotransmitters. and yes, its a disease. its the action of being addicted, which makes an addiction real. there arnt any false addictions.

mind you it's difficult to truly categorize a behavior or habit as an addiction unless it is negatively impacting someones life.

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Re: is everything that is considered an addiction actually classified as an addiction

I wonder if there is a book somewhere that lists like a dsm for specific addictions. I also wonder if there are addictions that everyone says are addictions but aren't considered actual addictions by some theory or thought. Essentially anything can be an addiction unless an addiction is only classified by a negative impact on ones life. I don't smoke pot but I know many who do and they all say they're not addicted but they habitually use it. They suffer no negative problems in their lives. One friend stops when he runs out and a few months later starts again with no problem either way. I'm not an expert though. I often wonder if addiction in itself is a disease and the various substances and acts are sort of like symptoms of the disease that is addiction-if that makes sense.
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Re: is everything that is considered an addiction actually classified as an addiction

Addiction is very much like ADHD you got people from 1-2-3-4---->100 Most people are in the middle like a bell curve. Those on the really far extremes those are the ones that generally will have the problems.

Everybody is forgetful but people with adhd are at the 95-98% area.

I drink, glass of wine here and there, but I'm in the lower end on this scale. Those who are extreme and their body has become conditioned such that it becomes a neeed for them to function.. they are way on the extreme.

Some people can function a long time at the extremes but like playing in the casino the house has the odds.
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Re: is everything that is considered an addiction actually classified as an addiction

I agree with you there. I wonder how that idea could play out with regards to other addictive things that aren't substances?
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Re: is everything that is considered an addiction actually classified as an addiction

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[...]other addictive things that aren't substances?
Can you provide examples of things that aren't made out of matter?

On a more serious note:
Substance abuse is recognized in the ICD and the DSM.
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A. A maladaptive pattern of substance use leading to clinically significant impairment or distress, as manifested by one (or more) of the following, occurring within a 12-month period:
-Recurrent substance use resulting in a failure to fulfill major role obligations at work, school, or home (e.g., repeated absences or poor work performance related to substance use; substance-related absences, suspensions or expulsions from school; neglect of children or household)
-Recurrent substance use in situations in which it is physically hazardous (e.g., driving an automobile or operating a machine when impaired by substance use)
-Recurrent substance-related legal problems (e.g., arrests for substance-related disorderly conduct)
-Continued substance use despite having persistent or recurrent social or interpersonal problems caused or exacerbated by the effects of the substance (e.g., arguments with spouse about consequences of intoxication, physical fights)
B. The symptoms have never met the criteria for Substance Dependence for this class of substance.
Maladaptivity is the KEY thing in the DSM.

E.G. Everybody shows traits/symptoms of ADHD, but it is only diagnosed in those individuals who are specifically inhibited from enjoying a happy and fulfilling life because of their ADHD.

And this definition itself doesn't apply to other addictions, such as addictions to sex, and gambling, but those are also considered addictions AFAIK. (the dopamine related to these activities is what makes these addictive)
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Re: is everything that is considered an addiction actually classified as an addiction

I see what you mean but wouldn't diagnosis and treatment be a little more subjective with regard to sex gambling etc?
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Re: is everything that is considered an addiction actually classified as an addiction

could you be a little more specific?
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I see what you mean but wouldn't diagnosis and treatment be a little more subjective with regard to sex gambling etc?
what do you mean.. are you trying to tell us that you're addicted to .. what is 'sex gambling'?

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what do you mean.. are you trying to tell us that you're addicted to .. what is 'sex gambling'?

"i see you fellatio.. and raise you a bum quilling.."
All in, then?
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All in, then?
did i say 2? better make this three..
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Re: is everything that is considered an addiction actually classified as an addiction



Seriously this is getting WAY off topic. Watch yourselves before a moderator shows up.
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Re: is everything that is considered an addiction actually classified as an addiction

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I see what you mean but wouldn't diagnosis and treatment be a little more subjective with regard to sex gambling etc?
I guess yes, but that's probably also the case with substance addictions because so often the addict does not recognize the maladaptive relationship they have with their particular vice. So what I mean is that you will always have to look at context and measure consequences, even with defined guidelines.

This is very interesting because I'm currently reading a book on ADD and Addictions by Wendy Richardson. I've had it for awhile but I'm just getting around to it because I think she's super smart but unfortunately (for me) most of her info is in book form. I can't wait to read it almost to the end.
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Seriously this is getting WAY off topic. Watch yourselves before a moderator shows up.
Pardon me, that was a quick reply to the OP's "sex gambling" bit while I was typing out a longer response. Back to the no-fun zone it is.
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Re: is everything that is considered an addiction actually classified as an addiction

haha -- I didn't see that coming.

I was just trying to respect the OP's intentions, and when it got where it did.....
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