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Old 08-24-11, 06:50 AM
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ADHD - Personality or Disorder? Or does the two exist?

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Firstly I posted here because I would like mature, beneficial information to help me identify exactly what opinion I should have about this. Convince me.
Whether that be with undeniable scientific evidence or some crazy self thought of conspiracy theory.

Also, I'd like to state that I actually believe myself to suffer this a lot more then someone other people. I know that sounds ignorant as I have no idea, but maybe you will understand what I mean by the time I finish typing this all out.

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(Please keep in mind I do believe it's a disorder, but I do have some other mixed opinions too).

Let's start by asking: How does one get a diagnosed?

Well to my understanding, a person believed to be suffering from symptoms such as those from ADHD would usually speak to a doctor who will generally refer them to a specialist (that being a Psychologist or Psychiatrist).
After this process the specialist will interview the patient and ask a few questions or maybe get the patient to investigate it further by observing their own behaviour.
Maybe on top of that there will be a computer questionnaire or similar.

But generally, if the patient believes they have ADHD they will be eventually diagnosed as so. Even if the patient believes they do have ADHD but the specialist doesn't diagnose them the patient will obviously see other specialists until they are diagnosed. After all ultimately, it comes down to the 'sufferer'. The specialists just try to understand through our detailing. They try and understand our perspectives. But in reality, their judgement will never be exact. Or even in some cases anywhere near exact.

From my experience specialists don't even seem that concerned, they are quite willingly happy to prescribe drugs straight away. Even after just a few questions.
-Which brings me to my next point:

If it is the case where it's ultimately up to the 'sufferer' to presume whether they want to get diagnosed as having ADHD it makes me question well obviously there has to be some false diagnoses.

How can anyone be proven physically that they actually have this disorder?

It's nothing that can be physically proven via medical evidence is it?
It's done by an interview process.
Unlike a breast cancer, a broken leg and AIDS. - To name a few.

Yes I do believe true sufferers have certain 'abnormal' brain activity which disables them from being attentive, patient etc etc etc etc.

Okay, so let's talk about 'Normal'. What is this word Normal?

"In behavior, normal refers to a lack of significant deviation from the average. The phrase "not normal" is often applied in a negative sense (asserting that someone or some situation is improper, sick, etc.) Abnormality varies greatly in how pleasant or unpleasant this is for other people." /wiki

Normal is a word for explaining what the majority of a given group feels.

So in saying that, a group of funny people. Would they be suffering from humeroussyndrome? What about a group of sarcastic people? SarcasticDisorder? Inability to be serious?
What about a group of overly emotional people? A group of extroverts? A group of introverts? Tall people? People with smelly toes? People who like the beach? People who like the mountains?
Then what about people who are motivated from cultural upbringings?
What about motivated from a future goal?
What about people who don't seem motivated as they don't have any?
People who dislike studying? Dislike how society puts you to work in order to live a 'normal' life?

If you are sort of understanding my analogies you will understand that if someone benefits with something, they also lack something else.

There isn't a 'Normal' person in existence. It isn't possible. There is not one single soul who the billions of people in the world compare to.
Yes maybe that person is better at concentrating but then maybe he is always negative? Would that then be depression? Or maybe he can't run for long periods of time due to a heart condition. Or maybe he isn't comfortable in his body. Maybe he can't understand quantum physics as he just can't get his mind around it.

There are always people who are good at something and bad at something else, to summarise. And there isn't a normal.

So what are mental conditions/disorders/syndromes then?

Aren't they just ways of grouping our similar symptoms?
Aren't they just a way of diagnosing someone so they feel better about themselves that they are grouped into a category of 'normal' for that one condition?
Maybe it's a way of making money for the drug companies?
Maybe it's a way of scientists keeping their jobs?
Doctors?
(Don't get me wrong I do understand my medication works. I can obviously vouch for that. And I wouldn't trade that for anything).

But to me, that is a similar analogy of grouping someone who has similar symptoms to someone else. That in turn gets rationalised by having a certain conditions. Like overly tall people.

Isn't it just how they developed? Isn't it just how I developed that I have these opinions as I'm typing now? That's personality right? Or do I have some sort of inability-to-think-as-you-think-I-should-think-syndrome?

My point is, what is personality? And how does that differ to a disorder?

I have seen maybe people who suffer from exactly the same symptoms well maybe not to the extent or full force of it. Maybe some do. Even more so, but they never get diagnosed? So does that mean they don't have ADHD?

A person could have a horrific dreams about transforming snails training elephants to fight maple flavoured asteroids from Mars? Now if two people have this condition and they seek help, that condition could turn into a medical disorder. Now within that disorder those two people are classified as 'Normal' without any actual physical similarities. Then doctors may try to explain why this could be happening. What if it is a coincidence?
Obviously that is a rare case. It probably hasn't happened yet.

But in terms of ADHD even undiagnosed 'Normal' people may suffer from some or a few of the symptoms. Maybe all but it doesn't affect them enough to seek help and get the diagnoses.

Maybe someone with 'ADHD' got diagnosed with Bi-Polar? But no one ever knew because the specialist diagnosed them incorrectly? It happens all the time.

It could be, that this whole disorder like many other things in life is just grouped because out of the odd 10 billion people in the world there are bound to be similarities between us. Could ADHD be one of those?

Then again, I know people in my class who won't pay attention because they can't be bothered. They would rather play video games all day and disregard what anyone says. Do they have ADHD? Or do they just lack motivation?

I assume lots of people out there use ADHD as a reason to stay unmotivated and seek potential abusing of medication to keep themselves happy. And it does happen. Hence why Governments try their best to control these drugs. And hence why some concerned and particularly intelligent specialists go the lengths to diagnose their patients appropriately.

So anyway, if you managed to read through that. (Wow you must be bored, wait.. aren't you medicated? How were you able to pay attention to everything I just wrote?) - Sorry I'm just trying to make people think a little outside the box. Or perhaps maybe it is I that needs to do so.

I'm not trying to spark an argument here or a flame war.
I believe it's a disorder, I just think there may be many posers who actually don't suffer as much as the 'regular' person with ADHD would. AND I'D REALLY like to know your opinions.


Also, what is with the majority of users on this site stating what their drug dosage is, and how much they take. It seems to me like they are proud of what they take, and how much. Their dosage and drug does not have any benefit on any other users as every drug affects everyone individually and uniquely.
So why state it? That proves to me, that people want to get diagnosed for the help of the medication as opposed to sorting their own life's problems out firstly.

TL;DR

1) IS THERE A PHYSICAL WAY OF DIAGNOSING THIS CONDITION FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE SUCH AS A CRT SCAN OR EQUIVALENT RATHER THEN JUST ASSUMING YOU HAVE SIMILAR SYMPTOMS AS OTHER SUFFERERS?

2) IS IT ACTUALLY SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN THAT ADHD SUFFERERS LACK BRAIN ACTIVITY COMPARED TO A NORMALLY GROUPED PERSON?

3) DO YOU BELIEVE IT IS PURELY A DISORDER AND THAT EVERYONE ON THAT HAS BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH ADHD HAS ADHD? OR DO SOME PEOPLE USE THIS AS AN EXCUSE TO NOT LOOK FURTHER INTO THEIR MENTAL CONDITION AND MAYBE BE DIAGNOSED WITH SOMETHING ELSE. (keeping in mind, incorrect diagnoses is as common as correct ones)

4) DO YOU THINK IT IS PERSONALITY WHICH COULD BE SIMILAR THAT COULD DEFINE WHETHER A SUFFERER HAS THIS DISORDER OR NOT?

5) WHAT WOULD A 'NORMAL' PERSON FEEL AND REACT TO ON OUR MEDICATIONS? WOULD THEY BENEFIT TOO? (illegal drug users state they can concentrate and pay attention similarily even if they could already naturally not be impulsive or inattentive or hyperactive.



I believe I am a true, heavy sufferer, just by talking to me you can tell too. But then again, everyone thinks this. Who can prove this though? My point it all seems a little inaccurate in places.

Thoughts would be great, thanks for taking the time. I tend to expand alot of what I wish to discuss. But this has been on my mind lately, and with the medications I am able to write at least some (yes I was thinking alot more before, but that is gone now) of what I am/was thinking. And can express it hopefully clearly enough for other readers to understand and respond to.

There is to TL;DR TL;DR. I'd appreciate for you to partake in this discussion.
Thanks!
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Old 08-24-11, 08:44 AM
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Re: ADHD - Personality or Disorder? Or does the two exist?

I have an easier way to put into a nutshell what I have said above:

It could be that there is only 50% of adhd diagnosed sufferers who actually truly have the brain abnormalities. While the rest could be suffering from similar symptoms they could also be, but not limited to; incorrectly diagnosed, overestimating their symptoms, looking for a way to put a medical definition to their personality to maintain their happyness, experiencing a placebo effect, wanting to experiment a new drug with a co-existing mental health condition, looking for a prescription to sell, wanting to use drugs for recreational activities and the list goes on...

I think the whole persona and reputation of ADHD could be changed if there was a physical way of confirming as opposed to trusting the patient.

As I said above, maybe a percentage of us just has similar personalities that make up who we are and what we enjoy, our motives to life and interests etc. Perhaps a few of us are completely taking the incorrect medication but due to the drugs nature we believe its actually benefiting us?
This is all hypotheticaly speaking of course.

An example:
A child isn't listening to the teacher, refuses to learn and won't change his attitude.
Constantly talks to his other class mates.
The teacher has had kids with ADHD experience and reccomends the parents to see a specialist.

stop. This is where I am little weary.
This is the stage where the parent has to ensure they have done their duty to educate and explain to the child - an understanding that school and school work is very important. Maybe the child wasnt explained to, had any awareness and had no idea that what he was doing is ultimately going to negativlely impact on his own education, career and life? Jumping straight to conclusions isn't the solution.

Every normal person will experience some of what we do. No one has absolutely 100% stability, concentration, able to cope with their most hated task for an unlimited amount of time.
In which case, there has bound to be countless cases where the sufferer has believed to be found positive of this disorder.

So does one only have ADHD when they are formally diagnosed? No, they were born like that.

This proves that regardless of what any specialist says there are people out there living life who are unaware or uneducated of this condition, people who are mis diagnosed and then people who are falsely diagnosed as well as purposely falsely diagnosed.

Having any mental condition is based on a variety of factors and from experience and what I've heard/read personalities are getting confused for disorders and vice versor.

There is a very fine line between personality and a mental disorder diagnoses.
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Re: ADHD - Personality or Disorder? Or does the two exist?

However the reason ADHD is described as a disorder is because it is associated with real harms in our lives. The research around ADHD has delineated very clear ways to help people deal with the problem- some with lots of evidence, some with less evidence.

So if we are aware of suffering, and we think that suffering is a bad thing, then there are things we can do.

No need to be too complex or conflicted about it.

Those who have or have had the problem know perfectly well we aren't doing it on purpose.

Equally I don't think those ignorami who are so critical of ADHD treatment are doing it on purpose either- they lack the intelligence to be that malicious.
It is just in our case there is a treatment for our problem. Stupidity and narrow mindedness are not so readily treated.
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Re: ADHD - Personality or Disorder? Or does the two exist?

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You are a spoon. We are a pot. You are stirring us.
Don't forget I'm a pot too.

It isn't my intentions to offend anyone.
And I'm sorry if I offended you.

This is why I posted in this specific forum so I could get some mature responces without being told that I'm 'stirring'.

After recently being diagnosed I think for my own well being it is crucial that I understand what I am suffering from throughly.

I don't expect replies from anyone who sees a simple open ended question as 'apparently' an accusation or insult.
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Re: ADHD - Personality or Disorder? Or does the two exist?

I don't mind you asking questions here, but please why did you bludgeon us with such long posts? If you truly want to discuss this lets take it one point at a time.

Why do you state things the way that you do? they seem rude and disrespectful and opinionated? How can you expect to get good solid answers if you start out like this?
It doesn't sound like you truly are seeking answers but have an agenda beyond what you stated

You have a lot of opinions - and not much to back them up


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A child isn't listening to the teacher, refuses to learn and won't change his attitude.
Constantly talks to his other class mates.
The teacher has had kids with ADHD experience and recommends the parents to see a specialist.
saying this is equivalent to me saying because of the length of your posts, you cannot be one of us and have ADD.

What's your real agenda here?
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Don't forget I'm a pot too.

It isn't my intentions to offend anyone.
And I'm sorry if I offended you.

This is why I posted in this specific forum so I could get some mature responces without being told that I'm 'stirring'.

After recently being diagnosed I think for my own well being it is crucial that I understand what I am suffering from throughly.

I don't expect replies from anyone who sees a simple open ended question as 'apparently' an accusation or insult.
I never said anything about insults or being offended. I'm just calling it like I see it and it looks like pot stirring. By all means keep stirring you have the right to do so.
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Having any mental condition is based on a variety of factors and from experience and what I've heard/read personalities are getting confused for disorders and vice versor.

There is a very fine line between personality and a mental disorder diagnoses.
Actually, it's my understanding that research has been showing for some
time that there isn't as clear a distinction between personality disorders
and mental disorders as was once believed.

Quirks in a personality do not necessarily equal a personality disorder.
Unless - and this is possible - it depends on the amount of impairment
they cause.

Not all ADHDers have equal impairment, and not all doctors are equally
as skilled in diagnosing ADHD. This could account for some of the missed
diagnoses and wrong diagnoses.
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Don't forget I'm a pot too.

It isn't my intentions to offend anyone.
And I'm sorry if I offended you.

This is why I posted in this specific forum so I could get some mature responces without being told that I'm 'stirring'.

After recently being diagnosed I think for my own well being it is crucial that I understand what I am suffering from throughly.

I don't expect replies from anyone who sees a simple open ended question as 'apparently' an accusation or insult.
If you truly want to dialogue about ADD then why don't you start over with one question at a time? Can you do this ? What's the one question/concern /issue that you want to discuss the most ?
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Re: ADHD - Personality or Disorder? Or does the two exist?

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I never said anything about insults or being offended. I'm just calling it like I see it and it looks like pot stirring. By all means keep stirring you have the right to do so.
I just said I'm not stirring? But asking truthful, thoughtful questions that apparently are being taken the wrong way? Especially when they are hypothetical just for discussions sake?

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I don't mind you asking questions here, but please why did you bludgeon us with such long posts? If you truly want to discuss this lets take it one point at a time.

Why do you state things the way that you do? they seem rude and disrespectful and opinionated? How can you expect to get good solid answers if you start out like this?
It doesn't sound like you truly are seeking answers but have an agenda beyond what you stated

You have a lot of opinions - and not much to back them up

saying this is equivalent to me saying because of the length of your posts, you cannot be one of us and have ADD.

What's your real agenda here?
My examples I used were self created and hypothetically generated so that readers could have a mutual understanding of exactly what it is that I'm trying to express.

If you believe that my posts have been rude, I will be happy to go back and edit them so maybe they aren't as 'confronting'.


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If you truly want to dialogue about ADD then why don't you start over with one question at a time? Can you do this ? What's the one question/concern /issue that you want to discuss the most ?
I listed 5 questions in my original post which are the current things going through my mind. But I guess if you would like me to sum it up once more..

Since there is no physical tests conducted on the diagnosis of ADHD (and many other mental disorder for that matter), I am interested to know exactly how specialists reach this conclusion without being the sufferer themselves. Because of this, no doubt there has to be a lot of incorrectly diagnosed cases which could be mistaken for personality traits, drug addicts hoping to get a prescription etc.

By the specialist simply stating "You have ADHD" doesn't necessarily mean that that is the case.

In my case, I know for a fact that I have this condition since I extensively researched thoroughly for every definition and symptom of the disorder I could find. And that pretty much sums up my life.

However, I went to a psychiatrist last week and in about 10 minutes I was diagnosed and was already being asked what stimulant I wished to try. This is first hand experience and that is where I'm getting my thoughts from.

I could of been a drug abuser, someone with bi-polar, someone with similar personality traits, someone who lacks motivation in life etc.

And I still would be been prescribed these potentially dangerous drugs.
As well as a misdiagnoses.

So my question is, being in the science forum, on what basis do specialists make their decisions when really they have no internal idea of the patients mind? Just a few answers that the patient answers.

So I want to know, is it possible for a personality to be the same as a disorder. When personality is the basis of who we are.

How does a specialist reach their conclusions?

Does a normal person feel the same way when they are medicated with the same drugs?

Is it POSSIBLE that alot of sufferers may be misdiagnosed and be having prescriptions to the wrong medication or completing the wrong programs due to the misconceptions revolved around the disorder of ADHD.


Because and I don't intend to be rude. But how do we know our brains are working in a way which ADHD is proclaimed without actually having a physical, evidential analysis?


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Re: ADHD - Personality or Disorder? Or does the two exist?

Clearly you've been thinking about this a *lot*. . . Because your bolded questions stick out (and because they're probably part of the FAQ of being diagnosed with ADHD) I'll take a stab at those first.

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1) IS THERE A PHYSICAL WAY OF DIAGNOSING THIS CONDITION FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE SUCH AS A CRT SCAN OR EQUIVALENT RATHER THEN JUST ASSUMING YOU HAVE SIMILAR SYMPTOMS AS OTHER SUFFERERS?

No, there is no definitive test for ADHD, no blood test, no brain scan. The effects on brain activity are small to say the least. Almost all psychiatric disorders, ADHD included, are diagnosed as you say, by observing similar clusters of symptoms. The criteria for diagnosis do shift as new research comes out (the diagnostic and statistical manual is the bible of psychaitric diagnosis in the US at least. The DSM-V is coming out in the next couple of years and is, as its name suggests, the 5th revision of the manual.


2) IS IT ACTUALLY SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN THAT ADHD SUFFERERS LACK BRAIN ACTIVITY COMPARED TO A NORMALLY GROUPED PERSON?

This is a tougher one to answer. . . There have been numerous studies, going back to the early days of PET (positron emission tomography) that show that people who were diagnosed with ADHD show underactive prefrontal cortex (the area that basically directs behavior and is involved in higher-order cognitive function). There have been many studies following up on this, including ones looking at anatomy, the latest being one I wrote about here http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106823.

The functional studies also show differences in how things are processed between people with ADHD and normal subjects (see BJ Casey's work for one).

The problem with all of this is that these are population averages, and are not good enough to show differences in individual people, so functional brain imaging can't really be used as a diagnostic tool.

3) DO YOU BELIEVE IT IS PURELY A DISORDER AND THAT EVERYONE ON THAT HAS BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH ADHD HAS ADHD? OR DO SOME PEOPLE USE THIS AS AN EXCUSE TO NOT LOOK FURTHER INTO THEIR MENTAL CONDITION AND MAYBE BE DIAGNOSED WITH SOMETHING ELSE. (keeping in mind, incorrect diagnoses is as common as correct ones)

My personal opinion is that ADHD may be a symptom of genetic and developmental factors that can come together to form may different psychiatric disorders. So, if, say your mother has bipolar disorder, and your father is slightly autistic, but you only inherit a bit of both from both parents, you might end up ADHD. . .

That's not based on any research, but it kind of fits (again in my opinion) with what happens with polymorphisms in genes that are associated with schizophrenia: Relatives of those with schizophrenia can inherit differences in dopamine metabolism which can cause some of the cognitive deficits seen in schizophrenia, without causing schizophrenia itself.


4) DO YOU THINK IT IS PERSONALITY WHICH COULD BE SIMILAR THAT COULD DEFINE WHETHER A SUFFERER HAS THIS DISORDER OR NOT?

I'm unsure of what you mean by this question, but I do feel that personality, response to stress, and resiliency can all impact upon the expression of a psychiatric disorder.

5) WHAT WOULD A 'NORMAL' PERSON FEEL AND REACT TO ON OUR MEDICATIONS? WOULD THEY BENEFIT TOO? (illegal drug users state they can concentrate and pay attention similarily even if they could already naturally not be impulsive or inattentive or hyperactive.

Many people seem to think that a positive response to a psychostimulant is diagonstic of ADHD. That is simply not true. It is true that there are many more people who would probably benefit a little bit from a therapeutic dose of a stimulant without being ADHD (I'm talking about swallowing a pill that is in the range of doses used to treat ADHD, not illegal drug use).

There are differences though, between that and an ADDer taking their meds. There is an inverted U shaped dose response curve for the psychostimulants, so that if you are performing very poorly in a given domain that stimulants help (like being able to pay attention), then you are very likely to see a big improvement. The closer to "normal" you are, the less improvement you are likely to see. If you're already really super good at paying attention, you're much less likely to notice an improvement, and you may actually find that the drug hurts you.
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Re: ADHD - Personality or Disorder? Or does the two exist?

I do indeed.... why do you ask -confused-


Also in response to question 4. I mean for example if someone is generally sad does that mean they have deppression as in the mental disorder? Or moody? Or very anti-social or unable to stop taking? Or genuinely doesn't want to listen to someone's opinion on anything if they believe they have the most important one? Must they all have brain abnormalities or perhaps is that just who they are as a person?

It's hard to explain, like if someone is not as bright as the average person and doesnt get humour. Does that person have a disorder?

In the end could it be said that all the above has different personalities? Or must we define them as a relevant disorder?
Couldn't everyone fit into many different disorders?
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I do indeed.... why do you ask -confused-


Also in response to question 4. I mean for example if someone is generally sad does that mean they have deppression as in the mental disorder? Or moody? Or very anti-social or unable to stop taking? Or genuinely doesn't want to listen to someone's opinion on anything if they believe they have the most important one? Must they all have brain abnormalities or perhaps is that just who they are as a person?

It's hard to explain, like if someone is not as bright as the average person and doesnt get humour. Does that person have a disorder?

In the end could it be said that all the above has different personalities? Or must we define them as a relevant disorder?
Couldn't everyone fit into many different disorders?

If you haven't found Dizfriz's Corner in the sticky section here, I think
you might find the answers to some of your questions there. And check
out the sticky thread called "You know your child has ADHD when ...",
you may find that you and your child can relate to a lot of those posts.

Being sad or having a hopeless attitude can be signs of depression. And
depression is often cormorbid with ADHD, especially if undiagnosed or the
treatment isn't working well.

Those with Asperger's Syndrome or Autism Syndrome tend to take things
literally and struggle to understand some kinds of humor. That doesn't
have anything to do with whether they're bright or not.

ADHD is a spectrum disorder (just as Autism is a spectrum disorder). That
means that everyone who has ADHD has their own particular personality
and quirks. There isn't just one personality that is common to all ADHDers.

And - research is moving towards the idea that there are actually fewer
disorders, as many of them seem to be parts of one large spectrum, and
are considering the notion that ADHD and Autism are actually part of the
same spectrum.
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Re: ADHD - Personality or Disorder? Or does the two exist?

Thanks, ill check it out.

Sorry I wasn't referring to anyone with a syndrome there. Just an average person. If they aren't as bright or lack the average intelligence or memory, cognitive ability or fail a subject they tried hard on or have a less then average I.Q etc could it be said that they have an abnormality? In the end since there isn't a normal how does one judge who has what when we all differ so much even if we end up with identical diagnosis?
Couldnt everyone on the planet fit into different medical conditions/syndromes/disorders? With varying degrees obviously. It's just interesting to me how a person can judge what a person should be like when we are all individuals with our own strengths and weaknesses. Hope that makes sense In the end I guess it's all about defining our weaknesses, finding a cause and dealing with it appropriately to better a quality of a life.
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