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How can we best promote general ADHD awareness, while acknowledging our differences

There is no doubt that AD(H)D (aka deficits of self-regulation) exists.

There is no doubt that we have deficits of self-regulation (aka AD(H)D).

There is also no doubt that we have differences in individual inherited temperaments and individual experiences, resulting in deficits of self-regulation.

How can we best promote general ADHD awareness, while still acknowledging our individual causation differences?


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Re: How can we best promote general ADHD awareness, while acknowledging our differenc

Spend more time discussing our common challenges, sharing effective management strategies, and advocating for access in society than speculating about causation?

It also depends what your goals are for awareness, and who your target audience is. The messages might be different for the general public, for school teachers, for people who make policy decisions about health care or research priorities, etc.
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Re: How can we best promote general ADHD awareness, while acknowledging our differenc

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Spend more time discussing our common challenges, sharing effective management strategies, and advocating for access in society than speculating about causation?

It also depends what your goals are for awareness, and who your target audience is. The messages might be different for the general public, for school teachers, for people who make policy decisions about health care or research priorities, etc.
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Without speculating...advocating in general.

-general description for general public awareness
-general challenges
-general management strategies
-general development (genes x environments)


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We need a standup comedian with ADHD who knows how to make good material out of ADHD mishaps and struggles. Someone willing to be playful but not into self-loathing.
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Re: How can we best promote general ADHD awareness, while acknowledging our differenc

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It also depends what your goals are for awareness, and who your target audience is. The messages might be different for the general public, for school teachers, for people who make policy decisions about health care or research priorities, etc.
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Along with general awareness, more specific awareness of our more specific individual differences would be more important for some individuals with ADHD and their families, their teachers, their doctors, healthcare professionals involved, people making policy decisions, etc.





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Re: How can we best promote general ADHD awareness, while acknowledging our differenc

There are so many ways to look at this...

I have some suggestions:

- Don't try to manufacture agreement when it doesn't naturally occur. If we don't agree on certain points, there's no need to emphasize that fact; but if we try to deny the disagreements that exist, that will "come back to bite us" later.

- If any claim is not yet supported by mainstream scientific evidence, don't let it be part of ADHD awareness efforts; save it for private discussion amongst ourselves.

I think in the first post in this thread you've already accidentally highlighted some of the differences, by naming as "general" topics things that IMO are very personal topics for you, not supported by clear evidence, and therefore not of general interest for those who were previously unaware of ADHD. That doesn't mean don't say them - you need to say them - it just means don't claim to speak for others (such as "people with ADHD") when you discuss those topics.
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Re: How can we best promote general ADHD awareness, while acknowledging our differenc

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There are so many ways to look at this...

I have some suggestions:

- Don't try to manufacture agreement when it doesn't naturally occur. If we don't agree on certain points, there's no need to emphasize that fact; but if we try to deny the disagreements that exist, that will "come back to bite us" later.

- If any claim is not yet supported by mainstream scientific evidence, don't let it be part of ADHD awareness efforts; save it for private discussion amongst ourselves.

I think in the first post in this thread you've already accidentally highlighted some of the differences, by naming as "general" topics things that IMO are very personal topics for you, not supported by clear evidence, and therefore not of general interest for those who were previously unaware of ADHD. That doesn't mean don't say them - you need to say them - it just means don't claim to speak for others (such as "people with ADHD") when you discuss those topics.

Which topics did I mention, do you think are not common for all people with ADHD?


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Re: How can we best promote general ADHD awareness, while acknowledging our differenc

Nothing thst mild had said in his first post is highly controversial.

Barkley considers adhd to be a problem with executive function aka self regulation.

Humans are born with different temperaments. You might even be able to see differences in the first hour after babies are born but definitely in the first few days even if other things are mostly similar.

Executive function does develop gradually over the years and there are environmental factors that influence this development or can result in problems with executive functions.
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Re: How can we best promote general ADHD awareness, while acknowledging our differenc

Saying that ADHD is a deficit of self-regulation, instead of that kind of deficit being part of ADHD, was what struck me first. ADHD is much more than a self-regulation disorder.

Causation differences are not currently recognized or known or accepted, with the exception of violent head injury being able to cause the ADHD symptoms.
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Barkley himself has said that adhd is a disorder of executive function. That doesn't necessarily mean it has to be true of course but I think he is enough of an authority and expert on adhd to make this statement not mild's personal unsubstantiated opinion.
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Executive function and self-regulation are not the same thing. Or am I misconstruing some terms?
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Executive function and self-regulation are not the same thing. Or am I misconstruing some terms?
According to barkley each executive function is a form of self regulation.
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Re: How can we best promote general ADHD awareness, while acknowledging our differenc

"EF = SR" -Dr. Barkley


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..In short, we use the various EFs for self-regulation to attain goals (alter future consequences): EF = SR. Now we can see that if ADHD is SRDD then SRDD is also EFDD. They are just interchangeable names for the same set of problems. People with ADHD have great difficulties with using their EFs for purposes of self-regulation and attaining their goals. (Dr. Barkley)

http://www.russellbarkley.org/factsh..._EF_and_SR.pdf




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Nature's goal for human growth is for the eventual maturation of a self-motivated, self-regulated and self-reliant adult.

The infant lacks these attributes.

We may say that the natural agenda is really transformation of regulation dependence on another individual to dependence, from external regulation to internal regulation.

This shift from external to internal regulation requires the development of the prefrontal cortex, the cortex in the very anterior portion of the brain, including and especially the orbitofrontal cortex.
Gabor Mate M.D., "Scattered", p 78
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I do not think you are wrong to say other parts of the brain are involved in brain regulation and the underdevelopment related to ADHD. There are. But development of orbitofrontal cortex is the part most interrupted. Slightly smaller (~5%) in people who have ADHD, than people without ADHD.


People who have TBI to the right prefrontal cortex appear to have very similar problems with neocortical self-regulation, as people who have ADHD. Difference is in ADHD there is slight underdevelopment of the right orbitofrontal cortex, but no brain damage.


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What causes ADHD is not completely known but magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) has shown that children with ADHD have slightly smaller brains, especially in frontal cortical areas (~5%) involved in executive functions (e.g., impulse control) and coordination of movements (Krain & Castellanos, 2006).
http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/ADHD_and_Play
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https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...KpbT940tESkewg

Slightly off topic but I think you might find it interesting. It's on the role of environmental influences on the pre frontal cortex and specific executive functions.
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