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Old 05-19-09, 04:48 AM
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Re: testosterone levels

Genapera you make some great points!

I work 3rd shift(don't always get adequate sleep). My boss is very controlling and domineering(nit-picky).

Yes, low testosterone can be caused by testicular malfuction, or from weak signals telling the testicals to manufacture and release testosterone. The hypothalamus and the pituitary gland play pivotal roles in this delicate regulation.

Like you said, perhaps if the brain is over inhibited or even overactive, this could have profound effects on the hypothalamus, pituitary, etc.

The biology behind adhd could be the same biology behind low testosterone. Perhaps it's low brain metabolism that causes the hypothalamus and pituitary to not work properly.

One interesting side note is that many of the benefits men obtain from testosterone therapy is attributed to estrogen(mood, cognition, energy,etc).
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Re: testosterone levels

This thread has really caught my attention. I've been complaining of Low Energy / Tiredness, but can't sleep / feeling Weak / no Stamina / feeling muddled etc.. for at least 10 years.

It's incredible that nobody (GP or friends or myself) ever came up with the suggestion!!! I've suspected (& treated) Low Iron, but never even thought of Testosterone. It should be the 1st thing you would think of.

Been to GP today & am having Blood Tests in the morning. Should have results in 10 days.
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Re: testosterone levels

A couple of years ago I had my levels tested as my symptoms indicated a low testosterone level.
They came back in the low normal range but my doc was willing to give me a prescription for Androgel.
After starting, i was more easily able to stick to and complete tasks. This was exciting for a while and both the doc and I thought maybe we'd discovered the cause of my depression and treating the cause was better than an anti depressant that treated the symptoms.
The unfortunate part is that after a month or two, it no longer seemed effective.
I use a topical testosterone treatment off and on and it helps for a while but then the effectivness seems to wear off until I quit using it for a while and then re-start.
Now that I know about the ADD, perhaps treatment for both will make into a superman, eh!
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After starting, i was more easily able to stick to and complete tasks. This was exciting for a while and both the doc and I thought maybe we'd discovered the cause of my depression and treating the cause was better than an anti depressant that treated the symptoms.
The unfortunate part is that after a month or two, it no longer seemed effective.
This is common and almost to be expected when somebody starts TRT. When you start receiving an outside source of T, your brain tells your "boys" to stop producing the small amount that they already are. Hence, after a month or so, your only real source of T is the exogenous one, so it often is just raised to accomodate for the already low natural shutdown.

TRT is generally for life, not off'n'on. Why go through the highs & lows of feeling how you're supposed to when starting and then stop taking it when your leutenizing hormone gets the hint? The only drawback to having external testosterone as your main source (provided the levels stay within healthy range) is testicular shrinkage. And some people don't even get that.
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Re: testosterone levels

My levels are 163ng/dl and I have an appointment with my doctor this morning.I also have enzyme levels that are out of range.Not by much but not normal...I read that above 200 to 300 is normal.
We will see what my doc has to say today and I will post more..I'm 51 and pretty healthy.No high blood pressure.My glucose is normal.I'm a recovering addict from
speeds and alcohol so I wonder if that had anything to do with my readings.
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Re: testosterone levels

Mastaprocrasta and R.B, make sure you get back to us with your results, we are all interested.
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Re: testosterone levels

I regret I cannot recall the data from the Testosterone level tests I had done some 5 years ago, at the age of 58. The numbers didn't mean much to me anyway. The rather expensive private practicioner I saw in London, humorously suggested that my T. levels were so low, that they would normally be seen in a man of 110....just prior to burial.

I was given a very substantial injection of T, and for 48 hours experienced the only time in my life, that I can recall, when I felt "whole". The experience of being truly alive was exhilarating, and compared more than favourably with my lifelong desire to be dead, as existence was so frightening, confusing, and shame-ridden.

Thanks to Muldoon for his contribution of 05/15, which exactly describes those two days, (a heightening of sexual interest was a mere bonus):-

"It contributes to efficient cognition, self-confidence, assertiveness, concentration, the dampening of anxiety, motivation, mental clarity, and overall well-being."

I returned, and had an implant @ considerable cost, and promptly grew a cyst over it. Same result with second implant. So zip results. At this point "Expensive of London" seemed to run out of ideas as orally administered T. was not, apparently, going to be sufficient, and would have side effects.

My regular GP here in the country, then informed me that I could have regular injections at a fraction of the cost, but he was against it. Went on to explain about different ways of measuring T, as a % of this or that blood ccomponent. I.e. by one measure I was well below par, by another was very low "normal".

Shortly thereafter we agreed that I would try stimulant ADD meds, and they have helped reduce the intensity of the emotional distress, and enabled an inmproved degree of functionality. Nothing to compare, however with those two days. It was great to feel truly alive, as opposed to the normal "coping" existence.

Thanks to all for this discussion. Intuitively, I feel that low T. levels are in some way, very relevant to components of the ADD experience. In a similar way to there being a connection between addiction and ADD.

I look forward to learning more as to which is the chicken and which the egg in the causative component enquiry.
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Re: testosterone levels

Thank you for your posts, guys! I have suspected this may be the real cause of my ADD symptoms, but doctors have been reluctant (just won't) order any tests. I'm going to make an appointment tomorrow and just get it done...
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Re: testosterone levels

wow i've been wondering if i had low T levels for a while now. i feel like i definately do... what can you do if you do have lower testosterone levels? can u take a pill to fix it?
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Re: testosterone levels

My Doctor agreed that my levels are low.But she consulted with a specialist and that person requested another reading in about a month...I was told that they are concerned with the treatment of this problem that there are concerns of prostrate cancer...So I get to live with low levels I guess.I didn't feel like I had much say so...
I was told to loose weight and excersise to increase my levels...
I am 223lbs at 5'9" a little dumpy around the mid section and my Vitamin D levels were way low.I'm taken a prescribed Vitamin D that I started today.I take one pill a week.
And I am borderline diabetic. And my blood pressure is borderline high.I think that is due to the Straterra.I have never had these problems.Even when I was using drugs...
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This is me on the left..I don't want to lose weight.Maybe a little..My butt is getting a little wide..
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Sure thing! Soon as I have them!!

John45f : Wow, what a tale! it would be funny if it weren't so sad!! Hope you get sorted.

I had a few tips how to stimulate T production for FREE. The guy who told me really seems to know his stuff & he said NONE of the T pills work, only the Gel or Injections from your Doctor.

OK so :

1) Take 30mg of Zinc before bedtime. Just the cheap stuff. Don't be ripped off with "added herb extracts"

2) Reduce Body Fat (as Fat produces Oestrogen). Higer T in turn reduces Fat, so hey, why not take the bull by the horns!! I joined a Gym today!!!

3) Reduce Stress Levels : OK, easier said than done, but we can do our best. I've stopped driving like a Psycho since medication, so there's a start.


Actually, this thread has drawn my attention to Zinc Deficiency & Adrenal Fatigue, as well as Low T, so thanks guys!


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Re: testosterone levels

john45f, did you not have a cream or gel you could have used? I believe with the creams and gels you get less ups and downs in testosterone levels. In regards to prostate cancer; I not sure if their has been an established link. I think I read excess estrogen can be a contributing factor in cell proliferation of the prostate. If testosterone levels are kept within normal physiological ranges, I think this would reduce that risk. Plus if you are on test therapy you are probably more likely to catch prostate problems early because of regular labs and examinations.

From my own personal experience I definitely have to agree with the above comment, "It contributes to efficient cognition, self-confidence, assertiveness, concentration, the dampening of anxiety, motivation, mental clarity, and overall well-being."
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Anyone with inattentive adhd had their testosterone levels checked?

I had mine done and it came back low. My testosterone came back 30 pg/ml, and the range for someone my age is 44-148 pg/ml. I was just wondering if low testosterone could be a contributing factor in adhd-inattentive. Even as a child I had inattentive symptoms. As an adult I have had inattentive symptoms + anxiety.

Maybee I should have posted this in the anxiety section of the forum.

hmm, that sounds very odd on how they're measureing your T levels. I've always seen it measured in ng/dl (nanograms per deciliter). mine was extremely low (79 mg/dl) not due to adhd meds though. normal range for men is 250 ng/dl - 800 ng/dl. I'd talk to your internal med doc about some HRT like androderm, androgel, or exogenous depotestosterone injection. low test can cause alot of problems in men if let go too long.

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Anyone with inattentive adhd had their testosterone levels checked?

I had mine done and it came back low. My testosterone came back 30 pg/ml, and the range for someone my age is 44-148 pg/ml. I was just wondering if low testosterone could be a contributing factor in adhd-inattentive. Even as a child I had inattentive symptoms. As an adult I have had inattentive symptoms + anxiety.

Maybee I should have posted this in the anxiety section of the forum.
Insufficient testosterone affects mood, energy, relationships etc. especially if one does not exercise much. Unfortunately so can anxiety disorder and so can ADD. I found out I had ADD inattentive last year at 46, about a dozen years after diagnosis of hypogandism - low testosterone - and about 10 years after diagnosis of general anxiety disorder. Probably some kind of mutual contributing factors there, but who knows. There are risks associated with testosterone replacement therapy (prostate cancer), but they aren't huge provided you subject yourself to the annual finger probe. Testosterone replacement has done wonders for me over the years. Generic testosterone - the natural stuff - is cheap. Might be $ effective to ask your doc to prescribe as much as he/she's willing and pay for it yourself instead of through your health plan. My doc prescribed enough for six months a refill and it was ~ $50 or $100 annual instead of monthly co-pays.
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