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Old 06-23-09, 11:43 AM
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Re: testosterone levels

Ughhhhhh, this is a struggle. My sex drive is somewhat impaired from my Adderall/Vyvanse prescription... My ability to maintain an erection while on the drugs is also impaired. I know its not my testosterone levels... I am a very aggressive male, very confident, naturally athletic, etc, etc, all the tell-tale signs of high testosterone levels in a male... I go to the gym a lot, lift pretty damn hard, and bike to work out my legs. I need to figure out how I can focus for school while at the same time maintaining who I am, a DOG who has always been out there for the ladies and isn't satisfied playing video games at home alone....
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Re: testosterone levels

I fit the symptoms of low T

I wish there was some way to get a better idea of if I might have have low T without having to go to the doctor & pay for a test & all that.

plus, maybe I don't want to know. that might be embarassing.
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I'm on day 9 of TestoGel. I wouldn't have believed the benefits could come so quickly. Feeling MUCH less Fatigued, in fact can't say I'm fatigued at all. Not slouching as much. Decisions to go & do something seem to be just happening, rather than put off & not done.

If this keeps improving, I will be delighted.

I'm already thinking my ADHD diagnosis might have been a red herring. In a few weeks when I'm settled, I'm going to stop taking the Concerta, see how I go.

Yes, it would appear that for the last 12 years or so, I have been "Andropausal" man.


I read a book "Testosterone Revolution" by Dr Malcolm Carruthers. Some of the stuff in there is shocking. How the male is under attack from Estrogen. Intensive Farming, the stuff they feed animals to fatten them up, full of Estrogen & it's coming into the food chain. I always knew that farmers Castrated animals, didn't ever think WHY? NO BALLS=NO TESTOSTERONE=HIGH ESTROGEN=FAT!!! Simple!

I'm thankful to this forum for alerting me to the subject. My GP would still be pushing Anti-depressants at me!
Odd, because I had the same results with 2 weeks of Prednisone therapy for an allergic reaction to Stevia leaf contained in a protein powder. Bloody ell, for 2 weeks I was Superman! ALLL ADD inattentive traits disappeared!! Odd thing is, is that it works on estrogen levels, as opposed to T levels. But since that experience 4 weeks ago, I have become convinced the ADD is connected to hormone imbalances. I see an endo in a few weeks, and will follow up.
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Old 06-26-09, 01:27 PM
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Re: testosterone levels

doctors do NOT fully understand the mechanisms of neurochemical transmission. If any doctors tells you differently, s/he is lying through their teeth, and they're trying to sell you something.

the relationship of estrogen and testosterone is very closely knit. Both are considered hormones by the vast majority. While technically both are hormones, they're broken down further by the body and end up breaking into 4 different hormones, which are specialized in their function (sex drive, sperm production).

this whole idea of testosterone being repressed, and estrogen's accumulation in the body is utter nonsense. If we had too much estrogen (male) we would be developing secondary female sex characteristics (softening of the skin - growing fat dermis layer, pronouncement of the breasts, and a higher pitch voice), but we're not.

Testosterone was commonly injected by body builders during the Arnold era, and it obviously has effects on the body. These effects are temporary if dosage remains the constant, and upping your intake of testosterone is very damaging on a) cell reproduction b) sperm production c) uptake of Human Growth Hormone within the body. WTF dude.. sperm production? you're full of <4 letter word>.
I'm serious. If you throw off the natural balance of hormones, especially with too much testosterone, you'll end up with dry raisins, and creaky joints because HGH won't be available for joint repair.

As i stated earlier, psychiatrists (clinical and research) do not know the exact mechanisms of brain chemistry, so it is likely (and probable) that hormones have some effect. Examples are Concerta vs Wallbutrin (i think that's spelled correctly). They work on the EXACT same mechanism, but one is a stimulant, while the other is a anti-depressant. While in clinical trials, it was determined that because of this chemical-paradox, they could substitute for the other, given the correct patient reactions.

a lot of these chemical-paradoxes exist within the brain, mainly because it's the last frontier of medical understanding, and given current technology, it will stay a mystery for quite some time.

there has been a lot of research done, and still on-going, concerning the effects of long term hormone use (specifically birth control in women and use of post-menapausal estrogen) and it's damaging effects on bone and kidney damage, as well as possible links to central nervous system diseases.

Having said all of that, if you're experiencing negative sexual side-effects, then you need to talk to your perscribing doctor, or go get a doctor who knows enough about drug interactions and your medical history to make a correct diagnosis, weather it's ADD or some form of hypogonadism.
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Re: testosterone levels

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Testosterone was commonly injected by body builders during the Arnold era, and it obviously has effects on the body. These effects are temporary if dosage remains the constant, and upping your intake of testosterone is very damaging on a) cell reproduction b) sperm production c) uptake of Human Growth Hormone within the body. WTF dude.. sperm production? you're full of <4 letter word>.
I'm serious. If you throw off the natural balance of hormones, especially with too much testosterone, you'll end up with dry raisins, and creaky joints because HGH won't be available for joint repair.
Testosterone IS commonly injected now...everywhere. Every guy you see on the front of a "hard core" bodybuilding mag is on anabolic steroids. They are used all the time in pro sports. It's not just the guys who got caught that are using them. Nobody here wants supraphysiological levels of T or wants to be the next Mr. Olympia. We just want them in a closer to normal range than the bottom of the chart to see if it helps us with the general problems & symptoms mentioned in this thread.
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As i stated earlier, psychiatrists (clinical and research) do not know the exact mechanisms of brain chemistry, so it is likely (and probable) that hormones have some effect. Examples are Concerta vs Wallbutrin (i think that's spelled correctly). They work on the EXACT same mechanism, but one is a stimulant, while the other is a anti-depressant. While in clinical trials, it was determined that because of this chemical-paradox, they could substitute for the other, given the correct patient reactions.

Wellbutrin is a stimulant anti-depressant that doesn't have the same strength as methylphenidate at inhibiting the reuptake of Dopamine and Norepinephrine. They may work in the same way, but chemically they are not the same & do not produce the exact same results.
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Re: testosterone levels

low tes levels can contribute to add. R atleast mimic some of the symptoms. As males testosterone is the hormone that makes us more aggressive. low test= loss of interest along with many other things

furthermore if tes is low... estrogen is proberly elevated... r is atleast acting unchecked... this can severly effect your mood


unfortunatly prolonged use of add and adhd meds has shown to further lower test levels.


PLease if neone has ne questions dont hesitate to ask
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Remember to keep a level HEAD

Men, you've read and expressed a lot of emotions here. Anger, fear, surprise, interest, and resolve. I propose to each of you this: be candid with your doctors. Your goal is quality of life. Don't approach them with a number, explain how you feel. There may be solutions other than the gel that will help you, as such you should be just as open minded in regards to solutions as you expect your doctor to be.

I started on Andro 2 packs a day, then to 3. At first things were great, and then the tiredness returned, if not worse. Our bodies become accustomed to their state, and as such are not always prepared for the higher levels that we expect. In my case I was over-amping as it were. My new specialist took me down to 1 pack a day, and suddenly all is right with the world, and has been for quite some time now.

Testosterone levels fluctuate constantly. They peak when necessary, and excess Testosterone is converted to estrogen.
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Re: testosterone levels

I'm a little late in reading this thread, but thought I'd toss in my contribution.

I'm apparently an anomaly -- my testosterone level was tested maybe 4 years ago and was a little on the high side. I don't recall the number. My Dr at the time said it wasn't high enough to be concerned about. He routinely tests his male patients' T levels because it can affect so many things.

He was a very astute Dr. Wish I could find one where I live now.
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Re: testosterone levels

Testosterone levels rise depending on how often you have intercourse.

People who have sex alot, have naturally high testosterone, and people who don't have low testosterone.

Sorry, people with low Testosterone levels probably wont like what I just said.... but i'm just talking the honest truth.

But don't worry, you're not alone..... I imagine mines is probably quite low.
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Re: testosterone levels

Gosh, I wish that were my reason!
Maybe it was back when I had mine tested. Have to have it test again at next physical.
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Testosterone levels rise depending on how often you have intercourse.

People who have sex alot, have naturally high testosterone, and people who don't have low testosterone.

Sorry, people with low Testosterone levels probably wont like what I just said.... but i'm just talking the honest truth.
Too many variables. Define "alot", "high", & "low". Sources?

I have intercourse roughly 5 times a week. My last total testosterone test came back at 127ng/dl. Clearly nowhere near the high end of the spectrum. Closer to the "dead" end of the spectrum.
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Too many variables. Define "alot", "high", & "low". Sources?

I have intercourse roughly 5 times a week. My last total testosterone test came back at 127ng/dl. Clearly nowhere near the high end of the spectrum. Closer to the "dead" end of the spectrum.
Although a lack of intercourse can cause a low level of Testosterone.

There are other factors that could cause it as well.

I'm not fully aware of all the other factors involved... but I do know that a low sex drive is one of the causes.
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I'm not fully aware of all the other factors involved... but I do know that a low sex drive is one of the causes.
I think you may have cause and effect in their improper places. I don't think low sex drive is the cause of low testosterone more than it is an effect of it.

I have the frequency of intercourse specified with the help of nitric oxide precursors and the little blue pill. The sex has not raised my T levels at all.

Meanwhile, back when I was 17 and still a virgin I wanted to nail everything that walked by. So I'm not really sure if actually having sex plays a role in how intensely you want sex.
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Odd, because I had the same results with 2 weeks of Prednisone therapy.
for 2 weeks I was Superman! ALLL ADD inattentive traits disappeared!!

Odd thing is, is that it works on estrogen levels, as opposed to T levels.

But since that experience 4 weeks ago, I have become convinced the ADD is connected to hormone imbalances. I see an endo in a few weeks, and will follow up.
Well Estrogen is produced FROM Testosterone, so the more E we produce, the less FREE Testosterone we have use of.

Estogen also blocks Testosterone, so you may have a respectable Total Testosterone reading, but if Estradiol & SHBG are high, you'll be getting none of it.

I know I've found what my problems have been!
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