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Re: Feel i'm not creative as others of my level of intelligence

I think some ADD'ers are more creative, some more energetic, some more lethargic and unfocused.
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Re: Feel i'm not creative as others of my level of intelligence

I think we are credited for being more creative when the reality is that we just
don't remember what we did last time so we do something different each time.
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Re: Feel i'm not creative as others of my level of intelligence

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I think we are credited for being more creative when the reality is that we just
don't remember what we did last time so we do something different each time.
the science seems to prove otherwise

I think once emotional regulation is understood better it will be easier to understand some of the seem people with emotional disorders can be more creative
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Re: Feel i'm not creative as others of my level of intelligence

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I think once emotional regulation is understood better it will be easier to understand some of the seem people with emotional disorders can be more creative
Science doesn't exactly "prove otherwise". The few studies that have been done thus far have had mixed results (and most of them haven't been super-rigorous). A lot depends on how creativity is defined and measured.

Also, ADHD does not appear to be primarily a disorder of emotions, even though emotional self-regulation is often affected.

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Re: Feel i'm not creative as others of my level of intelligence

I cant remember if it was my 18th or 19th century lit classes but at one time the word "genius" referred to emotional genius as in being able to emotionally connect with people beyond what was a standard. I wish I could remember more.
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Re: Feel i'm not creative as others of my level of intelligence

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Science doesn't exactly "prove otherwise". The few studies that have been done thus far have had mixed results (and most of them haven't been super-rigorous). A lot depends on how creativity is defined and measured.

Also, ADHD does not appear to be primarily a disorder of emotions, even though emotional self-regulation is often affected.
I never used the word primarily . in the majority of people who meet the criteria for adhd it seems to be very much affected

and really I just said science proves otherwise because it seems here most view are only only backed by opinion and stated like facts
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I'm more creative however unlike most people with ADHD I'm of average intelligence (last thread i saw on here about intelligence showed I am definitely not as smart as most on here). But people think I'm smart coz I see what they don't see and can do things they can't. Problem is I struggle to do the things they can do like focus and follow procedures.
most on here is probably much different than most people with adhd
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I never used the word primarily . in the majority of people who meet the criteria for adhd it seems to be very much affected
It varies quite a bit. Emotional self-regulation is only one of many areas of self-regulation / executive function affected by ADHD, so I wouldn't call it an "emotional disorder".

A lot of people with ADHD also have comorbid mood or anxiety or other disorders, and that may color people's perceptions of the emotional dysregulation that can accompany ADHD (and add to the difficulty in distinguishing what's part of ADHD vs what may be attributable to another diagnosis, to the extent they're separable).

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and really I just said science proves otherwise because it seems here most view are only only backed by opinion and stated like facts
And yet you just made an unsupported assertion about what "science proves" and stated it as though it were fact...

Here's some published research, which -- again! -- does not appear to prove that people with ADHD are more creative than others, but rather gives mixed results, depending on how creativity is defined and measured, how ADHD is defined and measured, and which groups are used for comparison.
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It varies quite a bit. Emotional self-regulation is only one of many areas of self-regulation / executive function affected by ADHD, so I wouldn't call it an "emotional disorder".

A lot of people with ADHD also have comorbid mood or anxiety or other disorders, and that may color people's perceptions of the emotional dysregulation that can accompany ADHD (and add to the difficulty in distinguishing what's part of ADHD vs what may be attributable to another diagnosis, to the extent they're separable).


And yet you just made an unsupported assertion about what "science proves" and stated it as though it were fact...

Here's some published research, which -- again! -- does not appear to prove that people with ADHD are more creative than others, but rather gives mixed results, depending on how creativity is defined and measured, how ADHD is defined and measured, and which groups are used for comparison.
actually I at least provided some articles, not just my opinion
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Re: Feel i'm not creative as others of my level of intelligence

and any researcher will say emotional dysregulation is a huge part of ADHD, not sure whose research you base your view off though, so maybe that's why we differ
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give some of Thomas browns new stuff a read, id say barkley but he hasn't done anything new or relevant in a decade
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actually I at least provided some articles, not just my opinion
Whoops -- I did miss your earlier link. My bad.

You linked to a single article in PsychologyToday (which is a popular science magazine, not a scientific journal). That article selectively made reference to cherry-picked research supporting the idea that ADHD is associated with greater creativity. As I noted above, there are mixed results from the published scientific literature. Pop-science articles like that one, which conveniently highlight only the positive results, misrepresent the totality of the research. (This seems to be common in the pop-literature about ADHD -- the idea that we're misunderstood geniuses held back by a rigid society has much more appeal and sells much better than the idea that we're basically ordinary people with self-regulation weaknesses!)

I don't mean to imply that there couldn't be some truth to the idea that ADHD is associated with certain types of creativity -- my gut feeling is that reduced mental inhibition and necessity could lead to creativity or novel ways of thinking about problems -- just that broad claims to that effect aren't consistently supported by scientific research, and there's some evidence to the contrary.

Regarding emotional dysregulation (and perhaps this would be better suited to a different thread, so as not to derail this discussion of creativity): I agree with you that ADHD often involves difficulty with self-regulation that extends to emotional responses, and this is certainly widely accepted by many people working in ADHD research today.

That doesn't mean that emotional dysregulation is the main or defining feature of the disorder, though, and thus labeling ADHD an "emotional disorder" is inaccurate and misleading.

In general, there's nothing inherently abnormal about our emotions; we're just less good at inhibiting/regulating/marshalling normal emotional responses for our own good than other people tend to be. Calling ADHD an "emotional disorder" also glosses over the other significant aspects of ADHD that cause a great deal of difficulty for many people with ADHD (e.g. working memory. organization).

Thomas Brown seems to believe that ADHD is more than just a problem with emotional dysregulation. This is from his website:

Emtional dysregulation is only one aspect of impaired executive function. An important one, to be sure -- but not the overarching problem in ADHD.

In this more recent article, he writes:
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Emotions play two important roles in ADHD, neither of which is reflected in current diagnostic criteria. First, conscious and unconscious emotions play a crucial role in the problems of motivation and self-regulation that are pervasive in ADHD. Second, many people with ADHD have chronic difficulty recognizing and managing the expression of their emotions.
So again -- emotional dysregulation plays an important role in ADHD, but ADHD is not itself an "emotional disorder" in the way that mood disorders or anxiety disorders can be, where the emotions themselves are extreme and central.

At least we can both agree that
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I never used the word primarily . in the majority of people who meet the criteria for adhd it seems to be very much affected

and really I just said science proves otherwise because it seems here most view are only only backed by opinion and stated like facts
My post that you responded to clearly says "I think that ...".
Clearly it was an opinion. That's all I intended to convey.
How on earth did it come across as stating a fact?
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Here's some published research, which -- again! -- does not appear to prove that people with ADHD are more creative than others, but rather gives mixed results, depending on how creativity is defined and measured, how ADHD is defined and measured, and which groups are used for comparison.
Which of these sources you are linking discusses studies that suggest we aren't more creative?

The most I've seen so far is one that says they are testing because they've seen other reports show mixed results (even though they don't cite those actual sources that show the mixed results) but they themselves found that we are more creative.

I doubt there is a single studied area where every single study shows the same thing. The number confirming our greater creativity seems to greatly outnumber those that say otherwise. Enough that I have no idea how we can deny the evidence.
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Which of these sources you are linking discusses studies that suggest we aren't more creative?

The most I've seen so far is one that says they are testing because they've seen other reports show mixed results (even though they don't cite those actual sources that show the mixed results) but they themselves found that we are more creative.

I doubt there is a single studied area where every single study shows the same thing. The number confirming our greater creativity seems to greatly outnumber those that say otherwise. Enough that I have no idea how we can deny the evidence.
Dr. Russell Barkley is a research scientist who reads and compares all these
studies. Here's what he says about the research that shows that people with
adhd are more creative than other people ... no scientific basis.
Dr. Russell Barkley on ADHD and Creativity by Gina Pera
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