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Old 11-04-11, 02:14 PM
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Thoughts on referances and scientific writing

Some thoughts on references and research in scientific writing:

We sometimes see on the forum comments on a book with the opinion that it seems well researched with references. Sometimes this is true but often the bar is set rather low due to not understanding what is expected in a scholarly science based book.

This is to help give a reader some background as a basis for evaluating books of this type.

If you would go to Amazon and look up the book Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (Third Edition) Russell Barkley

You can find it here http://www.amazon.com/Attention-Defi...0426532&sr=8-1

From there go to "Search inside this book"

Then go to "Table of Contents"

Then click on chapter 5 Etiologies (This discusses the causes of ADHD and I used it because it is often a topic on the forum.)

From there skim the text a little if you wish to see what this kind of writing looks like then then move to page 238. This is where the references for that chapter begin. The reference list for chapter 5 ends on page 247. Amazon gives you a somewhat random sample of the pages in the book so you may have to take what you get but there should be more than enough to give a general idea of the level of knowledge and scholarship that is expected from serious scientific writing.

Keep in mind that this is just for one chapter, the other chapters have similar levels of reference. This is not particularly exceptional and is pretty standard for serious writing in science.

In his book ADHD and the Nature of Self Control (1997) in which he presented his theory of ADHD as a deficit of the executive functions, his reference list extends from page 351 to page 397, well over 40 pages of references. When it is serious, this is how it is done.

If the book you might be reading does not come even close to this standard, caution may be well advised in judging how much work the writer has done to support the thesis of the publication. It does not rule out the book having merits but it does give a method of comparison.

What this post is designed to do is to give those without exposure to scientific writing some idea of what is considered proper and expected.

I hope it will give some useful insight into the subject.


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Re: Thoughts on referances and scientific writing

Similarly, on distinguishing scholarly journals from popular media:
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Scholarly vs. Popular Materials Guide

When conducting research it is important to distinguish between journal articles and magazine articles. Journal articles are typically referred to as "scholarly," while magazine articles are usually considered "popular".

Scholarly Journal

Content (Accuracy): In-depth, primary account of original findings written by the researcher(s); very specific information, with the goal of scholarly communication.

Author (Authority): Author's credentials are provided; usually a scholar or specialist with subject expertise.

Audience (Coverage): Scholars, researchers, and students.

Language (Coverage): Specialized terminology or jargon of the field; requires expertise in subject area.

Graphics (Coverage): Graphs, charts, and tables; very few advertisements and photographs.

Layout & Organization (Currency): Structured; includes the article abstract, goals and objectives, methodology, results (evidence), discussion, conclusion, and bibliography.

Accountability (Objectivity): Articles are evaluated by peer-reviewers* or referees who are experts in the field; edited for content, format, and style.

References (Objectivity): Required. Quotes and facts are verifiable.

Popular Materials

Content (Accuracy): Secondary discussion of someone else's research; may include personal narrative or opinion; general information, purpose is to entertain or inform.

Author (Authority): Author is frequently a journalist paid to write articles, may or may not have subject expertise.

Audience (Coverage): General public; the interested non-specialist.

Language (Coverage): Vocabulary in general usage; easily understandable to most readers.

Graphics (Coverage): Graphs, charts and tables; lots of glossy advertisements and photographs.

Layout & Organization (Currency): Informal; may include non-standard formatting. May not present supporting evidence or a conclusion.

Accountability (Objectivity): Articles are evaluated by editorial staff, not experts in the field; edited for format and style.

References (Objectivity): Rare. Little, if any, information about source materials is given.
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Re: Thoughts on referances and scientific writing

Does people magazine or TMZ count?
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TMZ totally counts if you are looking for expertise on Kim Kardashian's wedding...
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Re: Thoughts on referances and scientific writing

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Does people magazine or TMZ count?


In all seriousness, science journalism sometimes blows just as much as gossip mags.
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Re: Thoughts on referances and scientific writing

There is a difference between science journalism (which I agree is pretty much generally terrible) and scientific journals.

Science journalism is published in popular media. This is journalists talking about science. That is why they get it so wrong.

Science journals are where the studies and theories are first published. These are written by scientists, and rarely quoted verbatim in popular media.

HUGE difference.
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Science journals are where the studies and theories are first published. These are written by scientists, and rarely quoted verbatim in popular media.
Oh yes. . . the thing about science journals is they're not always (often aren't?) comprehensible to the lay-person without a lot of effort. Science journalists are *supposed* to translate, but the translation is often poor.

I truly admire those science writers who successfully straddle the line of popular, readable by a large audience, and scientifically accurate.

The person I dedicated my thesis to got a copy as an honor . . . being an intensely curious person, he tried to read it, and instead literally nodded off multipe times during the introduction (I told him he really, really didn't have to continue).
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Re: Thoughts on referances and scientific writing

One of the more significant problems is so many good science writers have been laid off that all too often we have people with no background in the subject trying to write articles.

Scientific journal articles are tough enough if you know what you are doing, having the clueless trying to interpret can be a total disaster.

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