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on-the-job training.

Can't beat experience - tasks seem so difficult before one learns the 'know-how'.

Learning whilst doing.

Writing the same old essay for the 1,000th time over benefits seriously limited.
Oh yeahhh.. We went over that before didn't we?

Considering all options.. That seems to be the best way..

virtual on-line environments to practice

Currently, what I'm doing.. other than the money part.. .

Take the certification exam (which is impossible to have memorized).. It's pass-fail.. typically getting around 75% of the questions correct, passes you..

Your score cannot be looked at by anyone.. All but you can see the actual score.. so whether you get 100 or 75%, all anybody else sees is that you passed the examination's requirements..

So that's just what is now.. Based upon all our researching.. I'm looking simply to remove the monetary hierarchy where only the monetarily wealthy have freedom in every respect of society.

What is really going to fall apart? Gotta' live a lil' more to find out.(?)
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You know, if you guys did *more* of the radical socialist stuff and *less* of the mysticism BS, I would like you all a lot more

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Why does certification and verification of completion which one always has to pay money for, seem to be required? Why not just go to a designated testing station, under surveillance, so you can assure witnesses attest to you not cheating?
No good jobs for those without University Degrees --> Students choose to go to University --> Universities cost money --> Students take out loans for Uni --> More and more students can afford Uni due to loans --> Uni's increase fees (US Ivies, etc) to bizarre levels --> still 'affordable' due to loans (fake money) --> Students then work for big business (give their labour) + pay back their loans from their salaries + interest (Fruits of labour --> Financial Instution).

Makes the whole enslavement of the masses so much easier.

The middle class gets to do work for the elite, while simultaneously enriching them.

And as your buddy Chomsky has pointed out, striving to become middle class (ie. take out loans to get Uni degrees) keeps the lower classes from rising up.
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radical socialist stuff

Absolutely, we need way less mysticism, much more maths and science. .

The only problem that society faces, at its root, is this economic system..

It'd be a burden off my shoulders. Math and Sciences are a great tool: By the time we'd be done, all else would be clearly stupid, if not already..

Started simple, and now it's time to get down and truly dirty. So far we have gathered immense amounts of scientifically derived data. Some of the things, doable now.

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No good jobs for those without University Degrees --> Students choose to go to University --> Universities cost money --> Students take out loans for Uni --> More and more students can afford Uni due to loans --> Uni's increase fees (US Ivies, etc) to bizarre levels --> still 'affordable' due to loans (fake money) --> Students then work for big business (give their labour) + pay back their loans from their salaries + interest (Fruits of labour --> Financial Instution).
<<<applause>>>
So Abi, your take on this is very much in line w/what we're talking about. . Forum discussion is a priceless asset.

My only motivation for doing this, is to understand the world I live in. Insights lend themselves to preferable direction.

I don't feel I'm CAUSING harm directly or indirectly. Let me know if any big mistakes are made..</applause>
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Re: Living & Motivation~Scientific-Method~Will~Monetary-Based-Economy

Radical socialism generates only destructive tribal warfare without a scientifically unimpeachable model for the point of human life (love)cf Animal farm.

Share everything out equally and it's only a matter of time before the least socially aware (the second of the Chomsky quotes above) re-instate inequality, of course in their (or so they think) favour.

Radical socialism doesn't work unless we work out what a social 'unit' requires.

The social 'unit' or individual doesn't require very much - where access to that 'not particularly much' is only prevented by those who (mistakenly) think that what they want is as much as they can get their hands on.

So ... ... inform the misunderstood drive which drives the rich to consume everything - of particular note - the idea that a living paradise is only reached when the desire (the central nervous circuit which encodes the allure of addiction) to consume everything is lost
---- whereupon ---
the outcome which we require of social radicalism is attained without polarizing
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opinion.

--- Science ---

willya' just explain why ?
'Aha !'
'nuff said

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Far easier to receive what is given freely, volitionally (a scientific model of social change) than to 'take' (classical social radicalism).

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Duffel coated pickets in mid-Winter preventing chauffeur-driven Jaguars from entering the premises; will y'all just grow up ?
None of that matters.
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Re: Living & Motivation~Scientific-Method~Will~Monetary-Based-Economy




The problem with education.


why are there so many computer languages ?

versus

~s~
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It calls for ... one language for all
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Redundancy ?

How much of it is necessary ?

So many unnecessarily completely synonymous knowledge constructs which each take some time to learn
- though where after an intense life-time of learning the syntax of all of the several thousand human and computer codes
- all that we're able to say is 'Hello world' (albeit to every carbon and silicon-based human and artificial life-form which kinda' :-) exist on the planet).

~*~

Information content severely compromised by local, poorly architected lines of communication where elegance of sense is invariably lost in translation.

~*~

So - the problem with education ?

How much of the current taught curriculum at all levels in each and every subject is actually worthwhile ?

The answer is very little.

A w3c interoperability commission to standardize housing, hardware ~etc~ which decommissions the human tendency to generate ever more (often though not exclusively proprietary) '$tuff and nolidgse'.

Might standardization entail that we could deliver an education where we can do (or at least understand) it all for our actual own selves?

~*~

Pretty sure that all that we need (to reach ga~ga land) is a simple illustration of male-female duality in evolution.

And then, armed with clarity of thought - to simplify social infrastructural schemes including computer languages, so that we can all contribute to one another's once-in-a-lifetime experience of :-)

life.

Those Who Tell the Truth Shall Die, Those Who Tell the Truth Shall Live Forever



Several thousand languages, prior to any meaningful information transfer !!

How's a girl to communicate in a world dominated by such contrived, flimsy Curriculum Vitae papier-mâché filler?

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Achieving interoperability is a tedious work.
So let's just re-invent the wheel again and again and again until there's no wood in evidence left.
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Re: Living & Motivation~Scientific-Method~Will~Monetary-Based-Economy

wikiP/Tower_of_Babel
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And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech ... ...
wikiP/Noam_Chomsky
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Chomsky labeled whatever the relevant capacity the human has which the cat lacks the "language acquisition device" (LAD) and suggested that one of the tasks for linguistics should be to figure out what the LAD is and what constraints it puts on the range of possible human languages.

The universal features
that would result from these constraints are often termed "universal grammar" or UG.
And with that one language and one speech and without due reflection ...
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Originally Posted by people (The Tower of Babel)
... ... let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven
-<- the 'ego-driven' state of the God delusion ... ...
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Originally Posted by God (The Tower of Babel)
... and this !!! they begin to do ???
and hence some sufficient impediment
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Originally Posted by God (The Tower of Babel)
... let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
required that human beings might learn to use their mind.

Noting - essentially the same underlying message as here.
Seeking to be instead of know God, not being able to know God until our minds
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an all-inclusive model of reality
are ready.

The confusion which arises from having multiple incompatible languages running concurrently within one ecosystem, each of which fielding its own 'God delusion' ... ... placing the collective human mind (under threat of all of species extinction) into a quite uneviable place, where it is/was required to generate a simple communicable model of what (the 'God delusion') we're doing wrong, and
why
- so that we may resume building all of our connections to 'know' (and not to be)
God.

Multiple human and computer readable languages as the way it had
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on the way to rationalising the mind
to be.

Post-dispersal, the 'invention' of multiple religions (all of them good) - each of them (so we were, much later, to perceive) bearing the same motif
(essentially the meaning through mechanism underlying morality)
- as what God (the evolutionary process of self-assembly) (in Genesis in both the stories of the Garden of Eden and Tower of Babel) had in mind.
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A little time to think.
~*~

The cult of beingversus the City of ~knowing~ God
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Free Willing

Great stuff SB.. 1s and 0s---different languages.. Some languages have natural functions, in the realm of cyberspace.. logical cyberspace. . get translated to numerical values.. backwards-forwards compatibility.. like how the brain communicates on the physical layer

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The middle class gets to do work for the elite, while simultaneously enriching them.
Ya, so what if all classes currently started working for all.. What is the single most important thing to change, if one had to choose, initially?

Volunteering--->taking over the economy. . Everything voluntary recruitment based.. Recruitment of volunteers.. Free, unenforced willing-Teaming Up.

Anything worth-while living. . How to know what is worthwhile, when the underlying motivation of money is not available at all? When the underlying decision-making-motivation for money is no longer on tap. . (???)

When the motivational winds are brought to being by something closer to nature (?)

Well a friend on zeitgeist forum brought up this video in response to my interest in:
Open-Source Biology And Its Impact on Industry --->
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I just found out I am taking the Holland Track to Cool-bloody-gardie tomorrow ;-) (Saturday) with some friends..I mean, I knew we were going camping...but OMG...this'll kill me ;-)

http://www.exploroz.com/TrekNotes/So...and_Track.aspx

The Truck(my newish 4x4) is packed...all I need to get tomorrow is ice for the beer and maybe some more food..

At least my first real 4 x 4 trip will put The Truck and me through the paces..

I have no idea how long this trip is supposed to take..I imagine (If I survive) I should be back in 7 days tops ;-))

If I don't make it back alive, it was nice knowing you
;-))

I just hope there is some internet along the way ;-)

That reminds me, I need to get some sausages ;-)
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What is the single most important thing to change, if one had to choose, initially?
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Free willing
'Where there's a will there's a way'

The will.

People need to want (desire) it as an essential precursor to ... ...

~*~

The will which comes from knowing (though not feeling) that 'well, I guess it sounds like it's for the best' won't do.

The desire which is required to attain a completely novel method of social interaction needs to be 'full-on ' 'rrr else apathy 'll kick in and nothing much 'll really happen.
Same old same old - the biceps wi' da' shiny guns getting to heat at night.

~*~

So, the simgle most important (and only) thing (which needs) to change is us.

To jettison those Hollywood-fuelled notions that 'anybody can be the President' - and to replace 'em with 'who'd be the President?' instead.

I mean, 'who'd be the President ?'
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Aye, it's a mug's game; all of that cheating and lying an' all just to get a page on wikipedia.
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Mine is similar.

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I call it The Hog :-) .

(ps detest everything to do with cars and hydrocarbon fuels, can't wait till we run out.)
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Haven't been able to stop thinking about this kinda' idea for a while now.

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Chromosomal aberration (CA) assays have been widely used, not only to assess the genotoxic effects of chemical agents, but also to evaluate their action mechanisms on the genetic material of exposed organisms. This is of particular interest, since such analyses provide a better knowledge related to the action of these agents on DNA. Among test organisms, Allium cepa is an outstanding species due to its sensitivity and suitable chromosomal features, which are essential for studies on chromosomal damage or disturbances in cell cycle. The goal of the present study was to analyze the action mechanisms of chemical agents present in petroleum polluted waters. Therefore, CA assay was carried out in A. cepa meristematic cells exposed to the Guaecá river waters, located in the city of São Sebastião, SP, Brazil, which had its waters impacted by an oil pipeline leak. Analyses of the aberration types showed clastogenic and aneugenic effects for the roots exposed to the polluted waters from Guaecá river, besides the induction of cell death. Probably all the observed effects were induced by the petroleum hydrocarbons derived from the oil leakage.
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But there are some rules for Athos and one was that there were no cars.
Almost no cancer (across the board) on Mount Athos co-localizing with a complete ban on carcinogens.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meristem
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A meristem is the tissue in all plants consisting of undifferentiated cells (meristematic cells) and found in zones of the plant where growth can take place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer_stem_cell
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Cancer stem cells (CSCs) are cancer cells (found within tumors or hematological cancers) that possess characteristics associated with normal stem cells, specifically the ability to give rise to all cell types found in a particular cancer sample. CSCs are therefore tumorigenic (tumor-forming) ... ...
~s~
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Leukaemia is the most common type of childhood malignancy, accounting for about 30% of its total incidence. Approximately 1 in 2,000 children will develop it before the age of 15 years.
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Following recent research in Great Britain, the geographic incidence of leukemia and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma among White children in three metropolitan regions of the United States (San Francisco-Oakland, CA; Detroit, MI; and Atlanta, GA) during 1978-82 has been analyzed using census tract-specific data. There was no evidence of a general tendency for cases to cluster geographically, in contrast to results from Britain. Further, rates did not vary with median income or education levels for census tracts. However, there was a statistically significant increasing trend in incidence rates with increasing population density: relative risk for highest relative to lowest category = 1.4 (95% percent confidence interval [CI] = 1.1-2.0) for White population density, and 1.4 (CI = 1.0-2.0) for total population density. The interpretation of these findings is unclear and further investigation is required. It is possible that population density is acting as a surrogate for some virus-related factor.
exposure level to petroleum-derived hydrocarbons (courtesy of the thoroughly unnecessary automobile).

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Besides, what is it exactly that we are supposed to pray for? That “our troops” carry out slaughter a bit less inhumanely in Iraq and Afghanistan, perhaps? Or that God salves their guilty conscience, if any? Or that God blesses and protects the blood profit from oil and gas?
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