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Old 03-07-05, 11:19 AM
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I self medicating my ADD with coffee

The effects of Coffee seems to address many ADHD symptoms for me , motivation and energy being the biggest . Almost like magic it can take me from not wanting to do anything to getting me highly motivated .It also takes my appetite away , but gives me a little bit of anxiety and insomnia when it wears off . Many of the things I experienced with Adderall and Ritaln in a kind of way . I have given up coffee many times thinking I could have the same motivation and energy without it after my body does not have it for a few weeks . For me that is not the case it is almost like I need coffee to function . Are there other who feel the same way . Being ADD am I self medicating my ADD with coffee or am I just getting the same buzz that normal [as in a non ADD person ] people get . I am not here to bash coffee but it has always bothered me to be lets say dependent ( becuase I do not want to use the A word ) on coffee to get things done .
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Old 03-07-05, 12:14 PM
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I do the same, Mee. I have used coffee for eons as a self medication for my thinking. It doesn't make me stay awake; au contraire, it allows me to relax. I have thought much like you, and have cut caffeine out of my diet, only to find that I missed the energy. That is why I fondly refer to coffee as my liquid Dex. Probably not a good term, but and honest one.

I find getting up and motivated the hardest part of the day. Coffee helps with that.

I don't think I let mine wear off, so I am unsure as to the effects, but when I ceased coffee for almost a year, after a while, my body adjusted and it was like I didn't need it.

Makes no sense, but it's my experience.

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Old 03-07-05, 12:16 PM
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Well........I have been able to kick the dexamphetamine......but go without my moring coffee to wake up and function??

.........Now your talking really tuff stuff.
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Old 03-07-05, 12:21 PM
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When I was a kid they made me take desoxyn and ritalin in school maybe I should have just had a thermos of expresso in my lunch-box .
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That's not as funny as it sounds. Andrei's X refused to send her and Andrei's son to visit with his meds. Despite Andrei paying enormous amounts in child support, she offered to sell us the drugs for the child, and then refused saying she would then be a drug dealer.

We gave him cups of coffee. He behaved better, and he was very adHd. Eventually Andrei managed to get the child a prescription which his X never saw and the child did not need to go through W/D each visit.

Sad woman.
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Old 03-18-05, 01:23 AM
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i hear this caffeine stuff but mine isnt coffee i am a mountain dew drinker.. all day in order to medicate throughout the day
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Caffeine is a powerful stimulant. It increases serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine in the peripheral nervous system. However, caffeine also increases cortisol and epinephrine, which produces stress. Even in the normal person, stress decreases activity in the prefrontal cortex, causeing classic ADD symptoms. Chronic intake of Caffeine also decrease cerebral blood flow.

Bottom line is Caffeine can have many positive effects at low dosages, but will produce negative side-effects at moderate and high dosages, especially in those who are already prone to prefrontal problems such as ADD.
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Old 03-18-05, 02:43 AM
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Caffeine is a powerful stimulant. It increases serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine in the peripheral nervous system. However, caffeine also increases cortisol and epinephrine, which produces stress. Even in the normal person, stress decreases activity in the prefrontal cortex, causeing classic ADD symptoms. Chronic intake of Caffeine also decrease cerebral blood flow.

Bottom line is Caffeine can have many positive effects at low dosages, but will produce negative side-effects at moderate and high dosages, especially in those who are already prone to prefrontal problems such as ADD.
Excellent observation. I have noted that I must NOT go over 8 cups of coffee per day, or the stress and anxiety step in, and it is not pleasant. I have two cups in the morning, and none after 9pm at night as a normal habit. 8 cups brings me optimal health [for me] as I choose not to use amphetamine.

I am aware I self medicate with caffeine, but am not bothered by it. Coffee has been consumed since the beginning of time, and many natives who have indulged in this delicious beverage have very long life spans.

Now my mouth is watering.

I would bet amphetamines don't taste as good, but whatever floats the boat

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Old 03-19-05, 10:17 PM
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You know what i have noticed though that if i take in too much mountain dew i am tired and feel kind of punchy instead of more hyper. My anxiety level goes up as well, but I just feel absolutely without energy and will actually go right to sleep after a large Mountain dew

I know it isnt good for me but i try to get a 32 or larger fountain one and keep it through the day making it last as long as possible i have found this the most effective way rather than too little or too much.. I still dont have all my days consistant but it has worked so far.
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Old 03-20-05, 12:26 AM
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Back in the early 1980's when we would get hubby's daughter from his first marriage for visits, her mom either wouldn't send the meds or said that she wasn't taking any, hubby knew that his first daughter had been diagnoised with ADHD & he knew the name of the dr that was treating her..who also was a Specialist in Treating ADHD & so I called his office they said all they could tell me/us was to give her coffee throughout the day when we noticed she was becoming hyper. At that time none of my first 4 kids had been diagnoised & it had never even been mentioned in passing that I might have it, hubby knew he had been diagnoised as a child.... taken the meds then threw them away & refused to take them any more.
I don't remember the exact mgs but there is more in 6 oz of Mountain Dew than there is 6 oz of Coke & there is a soft drink called "Jolt" that has an enormus amount of Caffeine & sugar. Mellow Yellow is a soft drink similar to Mountain Dew..but it has more mgs per 6 oz than the Mountain Dew.
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You know i never was diagnosed as a kid... i was in catholic school and the nuns were my meds back then i guess.. i was always in trouble tho for not paying attention day dreaming and not focusing up to my full potential.. also easily distracted and agitated. i figured this was just my temperment since that was what i was always told... in college i tried mountain dew as a way to stay awake when studying because that is what friends used.. i found it had the opposite effect and eventually found if i drank it slowly it could be used to calm down and focus.. later on i realized i might have add and went to a dr. and confirmed it..
i know this is strange because i work with emotionally disturbed kids as a behavior specialist so i see alot of medication usage and the positive effects from using it when needed but i dont want to use medication i suppose this sounds a little hypocritical but i cant seem to help it
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what you may not know about coffee

...is that it had a rather unsavory reputation not so long ago. Coffeehouses in 18th century England were considered to be dens of iniquity, with low-lifes and prositutes. At the same time alcohol was considered to be healthful, and was drunk literally morning, noon and night, by young and old alike. (Truth is, drinking water was a risky business in those days.)

Coffee was often abused for the caffiene buzz. The great novelist Balzac would stay up all night, writing and drinking java. Beethoven also was fond of strong, and I mean strong coffee. There's even a portrait of him, painted in life, showing him with his eyes shining from caffiene stimulation.

I'm about to run out of my dexedrine, as I often do. It will be a tough week waiting for my next refill. I'll be sleepy, hungry, grouchy, and more than a little blue. It sucks, but it's not the nightmare that we've all been led to believe, as long as you haven't been using it to stay awake night and day. I just metabolize it fast. The question is, are you more productive when you use the drug, or less? It's often a hard question to answer honestly, but as the Romans said, "The abuse does not rule out the use."
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You know i never was diagnosed as a kid... i was in catholic school and the nuns were my meds back then i guess.. i was always in trouble tho for not paying attention day dreaming and not focusing up to my full potential..

I also went to a Catholic school with nuns it was a high school (I went 4 yrs & graduated) & those nuns had "radar" if you were even gonna think about doing something you weren't suppose to....as for discipline back then ( I'm 51) I don't know if it was a healthy respect for the sisters or fear of getting into trouble or maybe a combination of both that kept me from doing things wrong. BUT...I couldn't pay attention in class & on the rare days that I was able to I couldn't remember to save my life what the class was about that day & as for homework....talk about a nightmare. It was an all girls school so there were few disruptiions for 2 reasons, 1) if u were a "problem" you didn't last long there 2) from what I've read, the majority of girls**(not all girls & there are some boys but there # appear fewer)** are the "silent" ones they "daydream" are totally unorganized at their desks, their lockers, their bedrooms at home would look better if a tornado hit it. But because the girls aren't disruptive like the "typical ADHD" boys are they go unrecognized & therefore undiagnoised longer.

i know this is strange because i work with emotionally disturbed kids as a behavior specialist so i see alot of medication usage and the positive effects from using it when needed but i dont want to use medication i suppose this sounds a little hypocritical but i cant seem to help it
I don't believe it's even "a little hypocritical"...I don't know your age is but back when I was in school ( I worked in the medical field a # of yrs ago) so much emphasis was put on abuse & the negative side of meds Let me put it another way...I would NEVER let any of my kids ( I had 6- 3 with ADHD & 3 without it) take any meds they had not ever taken before... unless they were gonna be at home with me so I could observe them for any bad side effects as well as allergic reactions.This wasn't just ADD meds this was anything including & especially antibotics. I do remember 1 time the dr the kids were seeing for their ADD increased my sons dosage & he told me what to increase it too & I did....what I observed that day I still remember, my son didn't move for half the day....so I dropped it down to the next level & by the end of the next day we knew that the dose it had been dropped down to was what was correct for him at that time. I called the dr the next day & had no problems. All are grown now, but I never had a dr who have a problem with it.... as a matter fact quite the oppossite, I was often told how they wish other kids moms (parents) were as "paranoid" as I was about meds & that was for all 6 of the kids.
When I was finally correctly diagnoised & properly medicated I was 44 r 45. I was taking elavil (amitriptyline) for a rheumatoid condition a few hrs before bedtime & the PDR mentioned "seizures" when it came to taking amphetamines while taking this the elavil, I asked my dr about it & he said he had never had nor heard of it in any patients but he told me to "check it out until you are comfortable about it" so i called the pharmaceutical com. that makes elavil & asked them about it, it took 2 days but they got back with me & told me the year it was noted & it was 1 time & it had not occurred nor did they have any reports of it occurring in humans.
Perhaps your hesitation in more in what your coworkers might think. I tell very few people that I have ADD & even fewer that I take meds for it...simpley because I have found that unless one has a personal reason ie either themselves and/or a family member diagnoised with ADHD..that they know little about it except what they see .... on the magazines & papers on the stands by the checkout counter at the grocery store & hear as they catch pieces of the national news on the TV or radio & they have no desire to learn anymore & I don't care to hear what their opinion is because they saw it at the grocery store check out line. Unfortunately, those in the Professional fields that should know better can't seem to be able to apply it to adults.
Don't be too hard on yourself. We all have personal reasons for doing &/or not doing things & I can barely manage my own life let alone critize anyone else for what they do or don't do.

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I just want to say thank you for your supportive comments.. i think you are right i am now 32 and was never diagnosed until i was an adult.. now knowing all i do and with working with these kids i can say i didnt get caught by the radar and it was probably because even tho i wasnt always on task i was respectful and well behaved.. most of the time lol
It was nice to have someone understand what i meant.. sometimes i just feel hypocritical telling my clients that they need to take the meds the dr. gave them when i would have cheeked them too lol
i do however try to find other alternatives for the teachers i work with to help the kids i have to maintain in class.. music during class.. more walk around time more interactive lessons with them and my favorite.... the miniture kooshball that they can keep in their desk i call it the fidgeter for the extra hard days.. the deal is if they borrow it they have to keep it "safe" meaning it isnt shot accross the room and it stays in at recess lol they also have to agree to fidget with it rather than their neighbor or their seat ect..
i wish i would have had one of them when i was a kid
Thank you again Blessed for your encouragement
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I wish I could self-medicate with coffee. I can honestly go right to bed after a strong cup of coffee.
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