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Corona virus what's the deal

Is this as dangerous as they say? From what I read the mortality rate is 2%. SARS was 10%

Everyone's getting antsy. Even work are sending out emails every day. People are paranoid about hand washing (makes no difference to me I have OCD so I do that anyway).

Are they making a bigger deal out of this than what it needs to be? I know nothing about how viruses work
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Re: Corona virus what's the deal

Here is one source of info:
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Re: Corona virus what's the deal

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Is this as dangerous as they say? From what I read the mortality rate is 2%. SARS was 10%

Everyone's getting antsy. Even work are sending out emails every day. People are paranoid about hand washing (makes no difference to me I have OCD so I do that anyway).

Are they making a bigger deal out of this than what it needs to be? I know nothing about how viruses work
biggest part of problem is we don't know whats the deal
you know chinese authorities credibility is very low so their reporting does not remove doubts in people's head
for example, i wouldnt believe anything they say for certain reasons.
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Re: Corona virus what's the deal

The Chinese officials...or the people? No, I wouldn't believe anything their government says. All I know for sure...is that the world can't afford a new and different virus every time people eat a species....Pangolin, maybe? that can cause this. And besides that, all those illegally traded animals are pretty much endangered and will go extinct! Who would do that??? And what governments allow it...guess we have a pretty good guess on that one! What meat are they going to eat when all the wild animals are pretty much extinct?
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Re: Corona virus what's the deal

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biggest part of problem is we don't know whats the deal
you know Chinese authorities credibility is very low so their reporting does not remove doubts in people's head
for example, i wouldn't believe anything they say for certain reasons.

They are certainly reacting very forcefully- and experiencing considerable economic losses as a consequence.
That raises concerns.
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Re: Corona virus what's the deal

There is still a lot that isn't known about the virus.
  • We still don't know exactly how dangerous it is to people who catch it, because neither the numerator -- deaths/serious illnesses -- nor the denominator -- all cases, including mild/asymptomatic ones -- has been accurately assessed yet. At the moment, it appears to be considerably more serious to people who are infected than seasonal flu, on average, but less widespread. It appears to be much less deadly than the SARS virus from 2002-2003, but much more widespread. Both the mortality estimates and the geographic extent will continue to change as this outbreak evolves.
  • We still don't know where, exactly, it began. There are questions about whether the Wuhan market was actually "ground zero" for this coronavirus, or simply a convenient place for it to spread. Certainly contact with wild animals like bats, and unsanitary market conditions, can provide opportunities for cross-species transmission, but so can contact with chickens on farms in Texas.
  • We don't know to what extent people with mild cases or even asymptomatic individuals may be capable of spreading the virus.
  • We don't know yet how effective various containment measures (quarantines, travel restrictions, etc.) have been/will be.
  • Etc.

So far it appears that -- as with typical seasonal flu -- people who are elderly and/or have underlying medical conditions are most susceptible to severe illness and death. That said, there have been serious cases and deaths in apparently healthy young adults (like Dr. Li Wenliang, a 34-year-old doctor who put out an early alarm about the illness).

Standard precautions that you might take during flu season, like frequent handwashing with soap and water, and avoiding close contact with people with respiratory symptoms or fever...certainly won't hurt.



Here are some sources of information about the new coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) and the disease it causes (COVID-19) -- what we know, what we still don't know, and what individuals can do to reduce their risk of respiratory illness:

WHO and Government Sources:

World Health Organization (WHO) Page on Coronavirus

US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Page on Coronavirus

Australian Government Dept. of Health Page on Coronavirus

Non-Government News Sources:

New York Times Coronavirus Coverage
, including "How Bad Will It Get?" article

STAT Coronavirus Coverage

Real-Time Coronavirus Tracker Map from Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering

ProMedMail -- a moderated digest of reports (both those reported in local, regional, and international media, and also dispatches from people on the ground) about outbreaks and emerging diseases of all kinds. Contributors include scientists, public health officials, clinicians, and others from around the world.
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Re: Corona virus what's the deal

In another thread, there was some discussion about the development of a coronavirus vaccine (or several vaccines).

There are some newer technologies and methods that make it easier and quicker to develop vaccines than in the past. After the SARS, MERS, and Ebola outbreaks, there is also improved (but far from perfect) coordination on a global scale towards solving pressing problems like the coronavirus outbreak. These are very good things.

But I take press releases from pharmaceutical companies with a grain of salt. There are several challenges that remain even after a vaccine candidate has been developed, and many candidate vaccines never see the light of day. These include safety and efficacy testing, manufacturing, and distribution. There have been conflicting reports about the mutation rates and what mutations have been observed that may affect transmissibility and potentially vaccine effectiveness (overall, a lower mutation rate than something like flu, but possibly some mutations that make it easier to transmit from person to person than it had been). And at least with other coronaviruses, immunity does not appear to be lifelong, meaning that you can be infected (or potentially vaccinated and generate antibodies) and then be infected again some number of years later.

Here are some articles that discuss the challenges of making a safe and effective vaccine and getting it to the people who need it most, and about coronavirus mutation and immunity.

"Hereís why the WHO says a coronavirus vaccine is 18 months away" from News.com.au

"New Tech Could Make Coronavirus Vaccine in Record Time" from Voice of America

"Labs Worldwide Working on Coronavirus Vaccine, But Rollout Could Take Time" from US News and World Report

"Experts envision two scenarios if the new coronavirus isnít contained" from STAT
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Re: Corona virus what's the deal

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There is still a lot that isn't known about the virus.
  • We still don't know exactly how dangerous it is to people who catch it, because neither the numerator -- deaths/serious illnesses -- nor the denominator -- all cases, including mild/asymptomatic ones -- has been accurately assessed yet. At the moment, it appears to be considerably more serious to people who are infected than seasonal flu, on average, but less widespread. It appears to be much less deadly than the SARS virus from 2002-2003, but much more widespread. Both the mortality estimates and the geographic extent will continue to change as this outbreak evolves.
  • We still don't know where, exactly, it began. There are questions about whether the Wuhan market was actually "ground zero" for this coronavirus, or simply a convenient place for it to spread. Certainly contact with wild animals like bats, and unsanitary market conditions, can provide opportunities for cross-species transmission, but so can contact with chickens on farms in Texas.
  • We don't know to what extent people with mild cases or even asymptomatic individuals may be capable of spreading the virus.
  • We don't know yet how effective various containment measures (quarantines, travel restrictions, etc.) have been/will be.
  • Etc.

So far it appears that -- as with typical seasonal flu -- people who are elderly and/or have underlying medical conditions are most susceptible to severe illness and death. That said, there have been serious cases and deaths in apparently healthy young adults (like Dr. Li Wenliang, a 34-year-old doctor who put out an early alarm about the illness).

Standard precautions that you might take during flu season, like frequent handwashing with soap and water, and avoiding close contact with people with respiratory symptoms or fever...certainly won't hurt.



Here are some sources of information about the new coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) and the disease it causes (COVID-19) -- what we know, what we still don't know, and what individuals can do to reduce their risk of respiratory illness:

WHO and Government Sources:

World Health Organization (WHO) Page on Coronavirus

US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Page on Coronavirus

Australian Government Dept. of Health Page on Coronavirus

Non-Government News Sources:

New York Times Coronavirus Coverage
, including "How Bad Will It Get?" article

STAT Coronavirus Coverage

Real-Time Coronavirus Tracker Map from Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering

ProMedMail -- a moderated digest of reports (both those reported in local, regional, and international media, and also dispatches from people on the ground) about outbreaks and emerging diseases of all kinds. Contributors include scientists, public health officials, clinicians, and others from around the world.

Now re the above excellent list, the situation in China is complicated by their enormous air pollution and their very high smoking rates.
So it may be that we are worrying too much.
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My mom works in the recovery room at a hospital as an RN. She took care of a patient last week who was in Wuhan in December. According to him, Wuhan's general area is also a location where a government infectious diseases/biological facility is located and in his (one-sided) opinion, he thinks they accidentally let something get out. He said he believes it would have been an accident and not on purpose. My mom doesnt by into conspiracy theories and she said this guy was very lucid and seemed calm and intelligent. Of course its just one guys' opinion and I do not know if its true but it was an interesting thing to consider.
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My mom works in the recovery room at a hospital as an RN. She took care of a patient last week who was in Wuhan in December. According to him, Wuhan's general area is also a location where a government infectious diseases/biological facility is located and in his (one-sided) opinion, he thinks they accidentally let something get out. He said he believes it would have been an accident and not on purpose. My mom doesnt by into conspiracy theories and she said this guy was very lucid and seemed calm and intelligent. Of course its just one guys' opinion and I do not know if its true but it was an interesting thing to consider.
There are some biological/infectious disease research labs in the area, but there's no evidence that this virus was released (intentionally or otherwise) from any of them. Some of the early "reports" (read: fringe conspiracy theories) in this vein have been thoroughly debunked by scientists who have no association with the Chinese government, though of course that doesn't stop people from circulating them... Alas, misinformation is at least as contagious as this virus.
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There are some biological/infectious disease research labs in the area, but there's no evidence that this virus was released (intentionally or otherwise) from any of them. Some of the early "reports" (read: fringe conspiracy theories) in this vein have been thoroughly debunked by scientists who have no association with the Chinese government, though of course that doesn't stop people from circulating them... Alas, misinformation is at least as contagious as this virus.
Yea I know. That's why I tried to clarify that this was just some guy at the hospital. And who knows what drugs he had going on?
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Re: Corona virus what's the deal

Some controversy in San Antonio as a local official is objecting to the DOD using local civilian hospitals to evaluate and treat the three active Covid-19 cases they have so far. Must be getting very crowded on that certain part of the base also, with so many quarantined evacuees right now. I hope the medical world is also working on better ways of treating the disease and how to contain its spread. Vaccines take time.
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