Suspended from Summer Camp !

[Lunacie]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy12

Lunacie, I'm so sorry you are going through this. All of you. I've got no advice just.. huge hugs!!! (((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))

Thank you. (((hugs back)))

I was surprised the detective couldn't just talk to Nove here at home. I'm
waiting for him to call and let us know when and where to meet him for the
interview.

[Fortune]

Originally Posted by Lunacie

Of course it's only a rumor! She's never home alone, no boys have ever
spent the night here. Whoever called this in to SRS didn't even know the
boys last name or his age. We suspect a certain girl in the neighborhood
who has a bad attitude and has been mean to Nove. Maybe she's jealous
because Nove has several friends in the neighborhood, including this boy
who plays with her at our house (during the day, always supervised)?

Ah, okay. I mean I didn't expect any of you would let that happen under your roof. Sounds like the whole thing is pretty awful, though.

[Lunacie]

Originally Posted by Fortune

Ah, okay. I mean I didn't expect any of you would let that happen under your roof. Sounds like the whole thing is pretty awful, though.

Okay, thanks. It would be much worse if it was true, but it's just not possible.

[salleh]

Oh perfect ! .....just what you need ....jeesh .....ever wish the fates would just find someone else to bother ???? sorta like when Tevia in "Fiddler on the Roof" looks up and says, "I know lord, that we are your chosen people...but just for once ...couldn't you choose someone else ?!"


....Unfortunaltely .....this is not something you can laugh off, , even though patently ludicrous....and not only in this one instance ...but what worries me is that there a young girl with vengence and mayhem on her mind ....a malicious and/or vengeful girl child can and has done, even historically, great damage to others ....


the Salem Witch Trials ???....start by young girls ...pre-teens ....,and they did some serious damage to other people, their towns ....and it spread .....


Never underestimate the power to hurt that pre-teen girls can have .....sounds a bit over the top ....but there can and has been real and serious damage done by the ( luckily) rare child ... I cannot even imagine the kind of brain that would sit down and call the "powers that be" and lie about something this serious ....but I know they exist ....one of the the most frightening things about this situation is that this kid knows full well the hurt she is causeing and she is reveling in it ....is my bet ....this is NOT a prank, the high spiritedness of a mischievious child ....this is calculated, and cold and very scary .....if she is not evil herself ....she surely is using flat out evil behaviors .....and it does not bode well for anyone who crosses her path now , and unless someone figures it out and does something ( I don't know what ) this girl can grow up to be a person who causes great harm to people throughout her life


...and what's more if she is this "good" at this age, imagine , if you will, how "good"at causing harm she will get as she practices at it over the coming years ......


....and Lunacie ....I don't have a clue to help as to what to do about it other than the obvious, and you guys have a record of being devoted and watchful caretakers, who are doing thier level best for your granddaughter ....which will make the difference ......

...but without trying to sound alarmist, I would keep my eye on this girl .....and I am also betting that she has compleciant parents, especially her mother, they think she can do no wrong......she has them thoroughly bambozzled....their precious angel would never do anything to hurt anyone else ....and would be shocked if anyone tried to convince them otherwise .....either that or her mom is just like that and she is learning this type of underhanded, sneaky, extremely mean behavior from her mother ......


....why do I say that ? ...because of the level of hatefulness she is showing right now .....that doesn't spring fullblown fout of nowhere, she has worked up to that level.....and I'll also bet she's been at this type of behavior for years .....


.....So be care of that girl ....and if there's some sort of way to prove it is her, or if you can even come up with logical reasons, not with proof, but with other things she's done, or good reasons why she would want to harm your grandaughter, I think it might be a good idea to let the authorities know about it ......let it be on record that you are suspitious of the girl, her motives, and what she is doing and might do in the future .....


and once again ....I am so sorry that you're gonna have to deal with this .....it's not enough that you spend so much time trying to help your granddaughterm over and above what most caregivers do....but to have to deal with outside harmful people too is horrible .....you and her parents have quite enough to deal with .....

[Lunacie]

Salleh, thank you so much. I agree that even a young girl can start a whole
mess of trouble. And you're right about the nut not falling far from the tree.
Her gramma lives across the street from us, we went through some stuff
with her when Nove was first tagging along with big sister and playing with
her grandson when she babysat.

His parents were taking him to the same family therapist we were going to
back then, and they had a family session that his gramma attended. She
said something to the therapist about how that family with the weird kid
was also seeing him. He asked if she meant the one with Autism? She
said, no, just weird.

So he grabbed the DSM-IV and asked her to tell him in what way Nove Mber
was "weird." Then he handed her the book open to the page that describes
Autism and everything she had complained about was right there on the
page. Ha.

Thing is ... I think complaints to SRS can be anonymous, so there's no way
to know for sure if this child or her mother are the ones who called, eh?

And yeah, isn't it someone else's turn now?

[salleh]

Oh I figured that the call was annoymous .....just the kind of thing a sneaky kid would do .....or maybe it's the grandmother across the street ....

and that story about your therapist is sopt on ...I bet he would stand up for you should it ever be required ....whew I am glad to he what he did....


what I meant was ...pay attention to anything she does and write it down ...and date it ....that's about all you can do at this stage .....


oh and ya know I forgot ....I am the descendent of pioneer Kansas women too ! ...my great grand mother came to the northeastern part of Kansas in the 1860s as a very young child in the 1860s in a covered wagon .....have you ever seen the part of Kansas up in the area of Valley Falls ? ..kinda halfway between Topeka and Lawrence ( where I was born )...and about the same amount of miles above the 2 , forming a triangle .....when I was a kid it was all land ...but they put in Lake Perry since then ....so maybe you been up to that lake is why I ask ...


It's a beautiful part of the state ....low rolling hills and lots of creeks ......and treees of course ....very different looking than the plains part of the state .....but they all have their own particular beauty .....

Have you ever seeen the state magazine Kansas ? ,,....they have some stunning photos of Kansas in every issue ...I bet the library has copies ....

[Lunacie]

I've lived in the flatlands of Kansas most of my life, but I've done some
traveling in the hilly country in northeast Kansas. Very pretty country for
sure.

The detective let us know that he is talking to everyone he can to find out
what happened, leaving an interview with Nove to do only if necessary.
Bless his heart for understanding about special needs kids.

The boy in question came to play with Nove this afternoon. They don't
really "play" together, one will be on the computer or Wii and the other is
kinda just there for company. I've been supervising and haven't seen
anything odd, anything that's different from all the other times he's come
to play here. But I'll be damned if I'll let some nasty gossip spoil a good
friendship. Let 'em play!

[sarahsweets]

Originally Posted by Lunacie

Update: We saw the psy-doc last Thursday and it was decided to wean my
granddaughter off the Abilify and start back on Risperidol again. By Friday
evening we could tell she was returning to the cheerful child we love.

Of course, she's also been eating non-stop which is why we switched from
the Risperidol in the first place. Maybe another med could allievate her
anxiety without raising her appetite, but it's a little scary to consider doing
a trial of a different med after the nightmare of this last year.


But of course - a new drama had to come along to take the place of the
anger and lashing out, eh?


Yesterday we had our weekly visit with the therapist (we love him!) and at
one point he said he wanted to talk to us adults privately. The therapist
said there was a rumor that a boy had spent the night at our house and
had sex with Nove, who's 10 years old.

We were so shocked that all we could do was laugh in disbelief. But just
before dinner we got a phone call that made us stop laughing. It was a
detective with the local police saying that someone had called SRS to
report that a boy had been spending the night at our house and having sex
with Nove. So, it just got serious.

We live in a three bedroom house, one bedroom for me, one small bedroom
for big sister Katlin, and Mommy and Nove share the master bedroom (two
beds). The only sleepovers have been a couple of Katlin's girl friends and
one of Nove's girl friends. Nove has spent the night at her house as well.

Good grief. Now I'm going to have to drive her to the county seat to be
interviewed about the situation. The detective said he has some
experience in talking with Autistic kids, so hopefully he understands that
she won't necessarily make sense, won't remember, or won't want to talk.
But at least she won't be angry, eh?

Lunacie...I just saw this! You hunt down those dirty gossiping low life people and tell them to F**K OFF. Then tell them to go F**K themselves!

[Ms. Mango]

I'm sorry all this is happening to you and your family now.

How does the therapist know about this rumor? Did someone say something to him? He's a mandated reporter.

You may never know who placed the call, but now that the wheels are in motion you have no choice but to move forward as best you can. The detective is just doing his job. Best to cooperate and let them close this case that much faster (not saying that you won't be cooperative).

I'd ask the detective or person from SRS if you have any recourse against this acusation if this is believed to be a false claim. Some states will tell you who filed the claim, once it is closed and you have a favorable outcome, if there is reason to believe the caller was making a false report.

[Lunacie]

Originally Posted by Ms. Mango

I'm sorry all this is happening to you and your family now.

How does the therapist know about this rumor? Did someone say something to him? He's a mandated reporter.

You may never know who placed the call, but now that the wheels are in motion you have no choice but to move forward as best you can. The detective is just doing his job. Best to cooperate and let them close this case that much faster (not saying that you won't be cooperative).

I'd ask the detective or person from SRS if you have any recourse against this acusation if this is believed to be a false claim. Some states will tell you who filed the claim, once it is closed and you have a favorable outcome, if there is reason to believe the caller was making a false report.

Thank you! I didn't know that we could ask who made the report/rumor.

When we looked back at the timing ... visit with the therapist at 3 pm,
call from the detective at 6 pm. Most likely the therapist or case manager
at the mental health clinic called SRS, who then called the detective.

But who started the rumor that prompted the first call?

[sky..-]

Well in my opinion if she's on something like Risperidone then what can you expect?.
Really, I was on Risperidone (not for autism) and did nearly what you said she did apart from running around.

[Lunacie]

Originally Posted by sky..-

Well in my opinion if she's on something like Risperidone then what can you expect?.
Really, I was on Risperidone (not for autism) and did nearly what you said she did apart from running around.

She was on Abilify when she was so angry and getting in trouble.

We recently took her off that and put her back on Risperidone.

So lovely to see a happy child again. Risperidone works very well for Autism.

Clearly we need to treat the known Autism rather than the possible ADHD.

[Drewbacca]

I was kicked out of a Catholic grade school and later I was kicked out of my confirmation classes. It really was never a reflection on me though, I just wanted to be treated with respect and as an equal. Most kids have more tolerance for BS than I do. I'm not afraid to stand up for myself. That's all that it really came down to.

When I was 21, I joined the Navy for six years. It wasn't so bad and I never got kicked out. I can't say the same for school, but that has more to do with academics than it does my occasional defiance. Even then, it has more to do with time limits than anything else.

Sorry, I started to slip into a tangent.
My point is this, some kids will be lost in a group setting without sufficient attention. Some of us just need more one on one and will never conform well to a group environment when it comes to learning.

[Lunacie]

Originally Posted by Drewbacca

I was kicked out of a Catholic grade school and later I was kicked out of my confirmation classes. It really was never a reflection on me though, I just wanted to be treated with respect and as an equal. Most kids have more tolerance for BS than I do. I'm not afraid to stand up for myself. That's all that it really came down to.

When I was 21, I joined the Navy for six years. It wasn't so bad and I never got kicked out. I can't say the same for school, but that has more to do with academics than it does my occasional defiance. Even then, it has more to do with time limits than anything else.

Sorry, I started to slip into a tangent.
My point is this, some kids will be lost in a group setting without sufficient attention. Some of us just need more one on one and will never conform well to a group environment when it comes to learning.

For my granddaughter, it often has the most to do with sensory overload.

That causes a meltdown.

When she's on the Risperidol she deals with things better so they don't get to the point of overload.

She wasn't dealing with anything well when she was switched to Abilify.

The reason we switched from Risperidol was because of the weight gain.

She certainly inherited her daddy's genes. She won't be 11 for another 3 months,

but she's already 5'1" and weighs 118 pounds.

A happy kid who eats too much, or an unhappy depressed angry kid who eats normally?

We chose the happy kid for now.